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Post by Reefs on Feb 21, 2015 12:10:34 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Feb 21, 2015 12:40:44 GMT -5
"in his mind they look like total idiots"  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 17:29:46 GMT -5
Enlightenment - Can do, no Can do = Enlightenment
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Post by earnest on Feb 21, 2015 18:30:37 GMT -5
So anyway,... Where can I get one of those machines!!  !  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 21, 2015 22:22:24 GMT -5
So anyway,... Where can I get one of those machines!! !  |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 22, 2015 6:11:45 GMT -5
"in his mind they look like total idiots" "And God said: 'At last your four idiots got together!'"  |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 22, 2015 6:12:50 GMT -5
So anyway,... Where can I get one of those machines!! ! Just PM Steve. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 0:55:51 GMT -5
So anyway,... Where can I get one of those machines!! ! Enigma, is Samadhi, Samadhi? If the brainwave pattern of someone who is meditating in Samadhi is 7 hz. Does it matter how one gets the brain to that 7 hz? |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 23, 2015 6:05:29 GMT -5
Enigma, is Samadhi, Samadhi? If the brainwave pattern of someone who is meditating in Samadhi is 7 hz. Does it matter how one gets the brain to that 7 hz? Yes, it does. If you need a drug or a machine to find alignment, then your alignment is conditional, plus when your trip is over or when you unplug, you go straight back into your usual resistant state. So, basically, your awareness of your resistance has just gone temporarily because you've been distracted with something else. But the resistant thought patterns are still in place in the background. If it happens naturally, however, the resistant thought patterns are seen thru once and for all and there's a permanent change in experience as a result. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 23, 2015 10:33:57 GMT -5
Enigma, is Samadhi, Samadhi? If the brainwave pattern of someone who is meditating in Samadhi is 7 hz. Does it matter how one gets the brain to that 7 hz? I have no idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 14:03:41 GMT -5
Enigma, is Samadhi, Samadhi? If the brainwave pattern of someone who is meditating in Samadhi is 7 hz. Does it matter how one gets the brain to that 7 hz? Yes, it does. If you need a drug or a machine to find alignment, then your alignment is conditional, plus when your trip is over or when you unplug, you go straight back into your usual resistant state. So, basically, your awareness of your resistance has just gone temporarily because you've been distracted with something else. But the resistant thought patterns are still in place in the background. If it happens naturally, however, the resistant thought patterns are seen thru once and for all and there's a permanent change in experience as a result. Hi Reefs, thanks for your response. I thought Samadhi was a state for Self-Realization? What do you mean by finding alignment? If a mechanical means is competent to make me realize the Self, then I don't see a problem. To me any means that can enable the consciousness to rest in itself, by freeing itself from the attachment to the body, senses and even the mind, seems like a good thing. That being said, I agree of course that the natural way is always the best way. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 28, 2015 7:14:11 GMT -5
Yes, it does. If you need a drug or a machine to find alignment, then your alignment is conditional, plus when your trip is over or when you unplug, you go straight back into your usual resistant state. So, basically, your awareness of your resistance has just gone temporarily because you've been distracted with something else. But the resistant thought patterns are still in place in the background. If it happens naturally, however, the resistant thought patterns are seen thru once and for all and there's a permanent change in experience as a result. Hi Reefs, thanks for your response. I thought Samadhi was a state for Self-Realization? What do you mean by finding alignment? If a mechanical means is competent to make me realize the Self, then I don't see a problem. To me any means that can enable the consciousness to rest in itself, by freeing itself from the attachment to the body, senses and even the mind, seems like a good thing. That being said, I agree of course that the natural way is always the best way. Self-realization is unconditional, acausal and not an experience and therefore not a state (of mind). |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 28, 2015 9:16:31 GMT -5
Yes, it does. If you need a drug or a machine to find alignment, then your alignment is conditional, plus when your trip is over or when you unplug, you go straight back into your usual resistant state. So, basically, your awareness of your resistance has just gone temporarily because you've been distracted with something else. But the resistant thought patterns are still in place in the background. If it happens naturally, however, the resistant thought patterns are seen thru once and for all and there's a permanent change in experience as a result. Hi Reefs, thanks for your response. I thought Samadhi was a state for Self-Realization? What do you mean by finding alignment? If a mechanical means is competent to make me realize the Self, then I don't see a problem. To me any means that can enable the consciousness to rest in itself, by freeing itself from the attachment to the body, senses and even the mind, seems like a good thing. That being said, I agree of course that the natural way is always the best way. Source: Samadhi is a state of mind, an experience with a beginning and an end, so it has nothing to do with Self-realization. There are two types of Samadhi--relative and absolute--but both states are transitory. Absolute Samadhi occurs in deep meditation, and is a form of unity consciousness. Zen calls it "the dropping off of body and mind." Everything disappears (both selfhood and the external world), and only pure awareness remains. This state can last from a few minutes up to several hours, but eventually the meditator returns to a "normal" sense of being in the world. If the body/mind experiencing absolute Samadhi is not Self-realized, then upon exiting Samadhi s/he returns to a sense of being a "me in here" looking at a "world out there." If the body/mind is Self-realized, then the experience is perceived as being part of the unified flow that is always impersonally unfolding. If there was a drug that put someone into a state of cosmic consciousness (a different form of unity consciousness than Samadhi), sooner or later the drug would wear off, and selfhood would return. Until the illusion of selfhood is seen through, it will keep re-appearing. There are people who have had numerous experiences of both Samadhi and cosmic consciousness, but until the illusion of selfhood is seen through, they keep returning to a sense of being someone "in here" who had experiences of unity consciousness. Realization eliminates belief in the "in here"/"out there" dichotomy. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 11:25:02 GMT -5
Hi Reefs, thanks for your response. I thought Samadhi was a state for Self-Realization? What do you mean by finding alignment? If a mechanical means is competent to make me realize the Self, then I don't see a problem. To me any means that can enable the consciousness to rest in itself, by freeing itself from the attachment to the body, senses and even the mind, seems like a good thing. That being said, I agree of course that the natural way is always the best way. Self-realization is unconditional, acausal and not an experience and therefore not a state (of mind). Reefs, thanks, but if it is not an experience, how would you know? |
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Post by zendancer on Feb 28, 2015 11:58:49 GMT -5
Self-realization is unconditional, acausal and not an experience and therefore not a state (of mind). Reefs, thanks, but if it is not an experience, how would you know? You know that you've had a realization just like you know that you've had an experience. |
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