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Post by Reefs on Mar 4, 2015 12:30:24 GMT -5
As Sadhguruji says, you can't miss it. It's self-evident. And once it happened, that will be the end of such questions. Hi reefs, yeah, it's self-evident, meaning to me, that it's a non-objective experience. Yeah, it's prior to mind/intellect, i.e. prior to objectifying.
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Post by Reefs on Mar 4, 2015 12:32:57 GMT -5
Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization.reefs, yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. Rule of thumb: if it requires effort, it's a mind game.
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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2015 20:46:26 GMT -5
As Sadhguruji says, you can't miss it. It's self-evident. And once it happened, that will be the end of such questions. Hi reefs, yeah, it's self-evident, meaning to me, that it's a non-objective experience. By 'non-objective' do you mean subjective? Or maybe subject sans object?
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Post by enigma on Mar 4, 2015 20:47:54 GMT -5
Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization.reefs, yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. How would not needing to, make it impossible?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:25:12 GMT -5
Hi reefs, yeah, it's self-evident, meaning to me, that it's a non-objective experience. By 'non-objective' do you mean subjective? Or maybe subject sans object? Enigma, I mean non-objective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:34:09 GMT -5
reefs, yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. How would not needing to, make it impossible? Enigma, make what impossible?
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2015 1:33:10 GMT -5
By 'non-objective' do you mean subjective? Or maybe subject sans object? Enigma, I mean non-objective. I don't know what that means. It was a serious question.
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Post by enigma on Mar 5, 2015 1:36:24 GMT -5
How would not needing to, make it impossible? Enigma, make what impossible? R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5
Enigma, I mean non-objective. I don't know what that means. It was a serious question. enigma, to give you an answer would reference an objective experience. Non-objective references an experience without objects. For me, Self-Realization is a non-objective experience, awareness of awareness is a non-objective experience, knowing Being is a non-objective experience.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 13:15:58 GMT -5
Enigma, make what impossible? R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? S: make what impossible?
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 5, 2015 22:05:09 GMT -5
R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? S: make what impossible? Wait.. the R statement isn't accurate.. you don't remember realizations? you can't convey realization to others?.. and, you can create experiences at will, really?, and this is what you 'will': why don't you start with world peace, cure cancer, that sorta stuff?
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2015 22:21:00 GMT -5
I don't know what that means. It was a serious question. enigma, to give you an answer would reference an objective experience. Non-objective references an experience without objects. For me, Self-Realization is a non-objective experience, awareness of awareness is a non-objective experience, knowing Being is a non-objective experience. Okay, thank's for explaining.
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2015 22:23:40 GMT -5
R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? S: make what impossible? Conveying it to others and creating it at will. (Self Realization)
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Post by enigma on Mar 6, 2015 22:29:20 GMT -5
R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? S: make what impossible? Wait.. the R statement isn't accurate.. you don't remember realizations? you can't convey realization to others?.. Correct. Realizations are non-conceptual.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2015 23:06:31 GMT -5
R: Experiences can be remembered, conveyed to others and created at will. You can't do that with realization. S: yeah you can't do that with Self-Realization, that's because you don't need to. E: How would not needing to, make it impossible? S: make what impossible? Conveying it to others and creating it at will. (Self Realization) In my experience, Self-Realization is not a process of the minds space time continuum; remembering, conveying and creating. But rather SR is inseparable from the here and now. That being said, I'm not sure if I understand your question.
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