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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2015 6:07:40 GMT -5
Yes. What I'm choosing to call "a deeper level of mind" is what we might also call "an internal downlink to Source." IOW, the body and its natural intelligence is one-with Source. The intellect, by contrast, is an imagination machine. The intellect thinks up existential questions which cannot be answered using imagination. Contemplation/silence/inquiry does not engage imagination; in effect contemplation sends the questions to Source. The intellect is ALSO Source, but imagination obscures the unity underlying everything that's happening. So this deeper level of mind is separately acting from us since you said internal down link to source? 'contemplation sends the questions to source' this answer clearly says source has all the knowledge not us,right? No, nothing is separate; that's why the words can only point. Source, manifesting as humans, develops an intellect which imagines. Imagination creates the idea and sense of separateness even though nothing is separate. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 6:10:22 GMT -5
So this deeper level of mind is separately acting from us since you said internal down link to source? 'contemplation sends the questions to source' this answer clearly says source has all the knowledge not us,right? No, nothing is separate; that's why the words can only point. Source, manifesting as humans, develops an intellect which imagines. Imagination creates the idea and sense of separateness even though nothing is separate. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious. If so, why the same source is not developing the imagination in animals and consequently creates the sense of separation?
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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2015 7:37:53 GMT -5
No, nothing is separate; that's why the words can only point. Source, manifesting as humans, develops an intellect which imagines. Imagination creates the idea and sense of separateness even though nothing is separate. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious. If so, why the same source is not developing the imagination in animals and consequently creates the sense of separation? Source DOES develop imagination in animals, but it is not as highly developed as in humans. It's just an evolution thingy. One of the most imaginative animal species on earth (other than humans) are some crows that live on a south Pacific island. They understand how to create tools, and can see at least three imaginary future actions necessary to assemble tools for use in retrieving inaccessible food. Some of the higher primates also seem to have a rudimentary sense of selfhood. I can't remember if the crows have exhibited behaviors that suggest self awareness, but it's possible. As soon as some of these animals start shaving or putting on lipstick, we'll know they've started developing a stronger self image. lol
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Post by jay17 on Mar 23, 2015 9:35:38 GMT -5
No, nothing is separate; that's why the words can only point. Source, manifesting as humans, develops an intellect which imagines. Imagination creates the idea and sense of separateness even though nothing is separate. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious. The intellect is ALSO Source, but imagination obscures the unity underlying everything that's happening. Sooo, it seems to me, according to non duality doctrine, that Source has made a huge error in obscuring truth by developing intellect that has the ability to imagine separation. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious. I do not understand why Source is not already aware of the obvious, for surely Source would seek to rectify the problem of 'obscuring truth' that it created, asap. Instead of allowing humans to suffer through millennia of delusion, Source could literally nip this problem at the Source, and hey presto, no more humans perceiving separation exists.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 9:47:33 GMT -5
If so, why the same source is not developing the imagination in animals and consequently creates the sense of separation? Source DOES develop imagination in animals, but it is not as highly developed as in humans. It's just an evolution thingy. One of the most imaginative animal species on earth (other than humans) are some crows that live on a south Pacific island. They understand how to create tools, and can see at least three imaginary future actions necessary to assemble tools for use in retrieving inaccessible food. Some of the higher primates also seem to have a rudimentary sense of selfhood. I can't remember if the crows have exhibited behaviors that suggest self awareness, but it's possible. As soon as some of these animals start shaving or putting on lipstick, we'll know they've started developing a stronger self image. lol Oh man, I wonder why your understanding is such a week level. Where is the possibility of something can evolve when everything is being imagined by this one consciousness? I find the futility of arguing with you nowadays. If you say it's not as highly developed as humans, why? It's nothing about evolution thingy. Everyting is being imagined in this consciousness, If so, how long it took to imagine the thinking process inside animals while it's doing continuously in human? I hope I have talked enough, it seems to be you are making no sense of what you write.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2015 10:07:48 GMT -5
No, nothing is separate; that's why the words can only point. Source, manifesting as humans, develops an intellect which imagines. Imagination creates the idea and sense of separateness even though nothing is separate. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious. The intellect is ALSO Source, but imagination obscures the unity underlying everything that's happening. Sooo, it seems to me, according to non duality doctrine, that Source has made a huge error in obscuring truth by developing intellect that has the ability to imagine separation. When Source, manifesting as humans, learns to leave imagination behind and focus upon what is NOT imaginary, the truth sooner or later becomes obvious. I do not understand why Source is not already aware of the obvious, for surely Source would seek to rectify the problem of 'obscuring truth' that it created, asap. Instead of allowing humans to suffer through millennia of delusion, Source could literally nip this problem at the Source, and hey presto, no more humans perceiving separation exists. That's actually what's happening, but Source is doing it through the evolution thingy and mass media. Fifty years ago only a tiny handful of humans found Source. Today, thousands are finding Source. Perhaps one day it will be common knowledge, but then Source might start a new game. Ha ha
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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2015 10:09:04 GMT -5
Source DOES develop imagination in animals, but it is not as highly developed as in humans. It's just an evolution thingy. One of the most imaginative animal species on earth (other than humans) are some crows that live on a south Pacific island. They understand how to create tools, and can see at least three imaginary future actions necessary to assemble tools for use in retrieving inaccessible food. Some of the higher primates also seem to have a rudimentary sense of selfhood. I can't remember if the crows have exhibited behaviors that suggest self awareness, but it's possible. As soon as some of these animals start shaving or putting on lipstick, we'll know they've started developing a stronger self image. lol Oh man, I wonder why your understanding is such a week level. Where is the possibility of something can evolve when everything is being imagined by this one consciousness? I find the futility of arguing with you nowadays. If you say it's not as highly developed as humans, why? It's nothing about evolution thingy. Everyting is being imagined in this consciousness, If so, how long it took to imagine the thinking process inside animals while it's doing continuously in human? I hope I have talked enough, it seems to be you are making no sense of what you write. I don't argue; I point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 10:16:48 GMT -5
Oh man, I wonder why your understanding is such a week level. Where is the possibility of something can evolve when everything is being imagined by this one consciousness? I find the futility of arguing with you nowadays. If you say it's not as highly developed as humans, why? It's nothing about evolution thingy. Everyting is being imagined in this consciousness, If so, how long it took to imagine the thinking process inside animals while it's doing continuously in human? I hope I have talked enough, it seems to be you are making no sense of what you write. I don't argue; I point. I am sorry if I have caused any offences.
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Post by zendancer on Mar 23, 2015 12:55:01 GMT -5
I am sorry if I have caused any offences. No offense at all. FWIW, I don't spend any time thinking about consciousness or what is real versus what is unreal. I see and interact directly with what I see, and life is very simple and straightforward. Is there predetermination? Is doesn't matter to me because the body always knows what to do in the present moment. I first discovered fossils in the third grade, and I have found them to be fascinating ever since. It seems obvious to me, based on fossil studies, that life has evolved on earth from creatures without brains to creatures with big brains, but this is just an idea. For all I know, fossils, my studies of them, and my memory of all the fossils I've found, are only appearing this moment in consciousness for the first time. If that were the case, it wouldn't make any difference to me. I can only see what is here and now, and respond in the way that is happening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 13:14:14 GMT -5
I am sorry if I have caused any offences. No offense at all. FWIW, I don't spend any time thinking about consciousness or what is real versus what is unreal. I see and interact directly with what I see, and life is very simple and straightforward. Is there predetermination? Is doesn't matter to me because the body always knows what to do in the present moment. I first discovered fossils in the third grade, and I have found them to be fascinating ever since. It seems obvious to me, based on fossil studies, that life has evolved on earth from creatures without brains to creatures with big brains, but this is just an idea. For all I know, fossils, my studies of them, and my memory of all the fossils I've found, are only appearing this moment in consciousness for the first time. If that were the case, it wouldn't make any difference to me. I can only see what is here and now, and respond in the way that is happening. Bible talks about predestination very strongly, you might have referred Romans 9, but your carelessness towards predetermination might lead you miss the person who predestines this. I am sure you do not know whether movement has been predestined or not, and also I am sure you do not want to know, but you might be going into risk of missing very important matter here. I have read about this fossils in your book, Please consider the second bolder line above, This is the reason I strongly believes the thrid entity which keeps everything in it. When you are viewing something, of-course it appears in your consciousness first time, But our outer world focus stable indicates that nothing in the outer world happens without logic. If some book found , then that would automatically presumes that someone has written in it. So time becomes stable here(sequential movement), Acutally Enigma here says that we can't know whether other perspective has written this, he thinks this because he compares dream with reality, ofcourse he is right to some extent, but even the inconsistency of dream clearly becomes visible in reality, So reality can't be underestimated, Time becomes very stable, I know whatever I talk you are not going to put your attention for sure, because you have already had idea for everything, you would falsity me for sure, but anyway I feel like writing here.
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Post by jay17 on Mar 23, 2015 14:18:08 GMT -5
Sooo, it seems to me, according to non duality doctrine, that Source has made a huge error in obscuring truth by developing intellect that has the ability to imagine separation. I do not understand why Source is not already aware of the obvious, for surely Source would seek to rectify the problem of 'obscuring truth' that it created, asap. Instead of allowing humans to suffer through millennia of delusion, Source could literally nip this problem at the Source, and hey presto, no more humans perceiving separation exists. That's actually what's happening, but Source is doing it through the evolution thingy and mass media. Fifty years ago only a tiny handful of humans found Source. Today, thousands are finding Source. Perhaps one day it will be common knowledge, but then Source might start a new game. Ha ha I doubt Source( if Source refers to the intelligence that has created existence, or is everything) is that irrational. I think as long as humans develop and increase in critical thinking, the new religions of today will never be as large as the ones of old. But perhaps for many more generations, there will still be some who find solace\security in such things. Though it seems that for those that believe this existence is all illusion, anything goes because nothing really matters...well, except believing non duality is an absolute truth of course....but that is the nature of religion, has been for centuries and seems like it will stay that way.
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Post by laughter on Mar 23, 2015 14:38:43 GMT -5
That's actually what's happening, but Source is doing it through the evolution thingy and mass media. Fifty years ago only a tiny handful of humans found Source. Today, thousands are finding Source. Perhaps one day it will be common knowledge, but then Source might start a new game. Ha ha I doubt Source( if Source refers to the intelligence that has created existence, or is everything) is that irrational. I think as long as humans develop and increase in critical thinking, the new religions of today will never be as large as the ones of old. But perhaps for many more generations, there will still be some who find solace\security in such things. Though it seems that for those that believe this existence is all illusion, anything goes because nothing really matters...well, except believing non duality is an absolute truth of course....but that is the nature of religion, has been for centuries and seems like it will stay that way. So how are your mom and your rover these days 'goat? Hey, did you know that Silver's now a sorta'-kinda' Buddhist?
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Post by jay17 on Mar 25, 2015 15:04:46 GMT -5
I doubt Source( if Source refers to the intelligence that has created existence, or is everything) is that irrational. I think as long as humans develop and increase in critical thinking, the new religions of today will never be as large as the ones of old. But perhaps for many more generations, there will still be some who find solace\security in such things. Though it seems that for those that believe this existence is all illusion, anything goes because nothing really matters...well, except believing non duality is an absolute truth of course....but that is the nature of religion, has been for centuries and seems like it will stay that way. So how are your mom and your rover these days 'goat? Hey, did you know that Silver's now a sorta'-kinda' Buddhist? Q1. GG is still alive, i don't know what a rover is. Q2. I now know you think she is. As far as Silver has shared with me, it is my understanding she is currently reading about Buddha and has made no mention of aligning herself to a belief system\philosophy.
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Post by laughter on Mar 25, 2015 20:13:31 GMT -5
So how are your mom and your rover these days 'goat? Hey, did you know that Silver's now a sorta'-kinda' Buddhist? Q1. GG is still alive, i don't know what a rover is. Q2. I now know you think she is. As far as Silver has shared with me, it is my understanding she is currently reading about Buddha and has made no mention of aligning herself to a belief system\philosophy. Glad to hear about mom, "the rover" was my recollection of what I think you used to call your "ute".
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Post by lolly on Mar 26, 2015 5:37:19 GMT -5
You have to be half Buddhist in the spirit of the middle way
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