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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 11:37:59 GMT -5
They weren't trying to explain anything, and weren't talking about ideas. It was an experiment that showed that something in the brain signified a choice before the subject was consciously aware of it. The experiment signifies the observation something happening in the brain, and the observers assigning theories to the the happening.. i've watched several of these types of videos, and read papers purporting the same theories.. but, if you have no agenda other than understanding what is actually happening, there's no evidence that a decision has been made six seconds prior to the actual decision point.. it is equally possible that the subject is consciously anticipating the question and preparing to answer, reading the questioner's intentions as they formulate the question.. the challenge is to keep an open mind, rather than project your beliefs onto what is happening.. Indeed, that's the challenge. Did you notice yourself looking for a way to dismiss the results as you watched those videos?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 12:32:01 GMT -5
Your crusade against volition contradicts itself, you apply your will to manage the agenda you've choosen, and you conspire to advance an agenda by the force of your will.. the war you wage against volition/separation depends on you creating the illusion of an enemy.. Repost of something you may have seen. It is not about realization per se, but it might help relax your stance. 6 second head start? I woulda thought of decisions as being a bit closer to instantaneous...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 13:18:10 GMT -5
And how is that helping? Oh, there's a way to help the situation? Do tell. There is no way to help the situation because he's never going to let go enough to hear what you're saying. The onus will always be on the other to change before he does, that's how adaptable he truly believes he is.
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Post by laughter on Feb 11, 2015 13:28:26 GMT -5
In one post there's the accusation that you're on a crusade and then, in the very next post, there's a call for you to come empty. I'm wonderin' now if the rastaphant's supply of blank stare is limitless?? He's the easiest member on the forum to read cuz he talks about himself with every spit. Yeah, we covered this ground not too long ago but every day is a new day. The subjectivity trap relegates all statements of the form "you are/seem/did/wrote ____" to the status of projection, and ultimately of course, technically speaking, we can define projection in that way: our actions and words form a screen for the conclusions of others, and no one persons conclusions are any more true or false than any others. Noone is right, and noone is wrong. With that definition there's no room for objectivity, and if there's no objectivity then there's no clarity. Very obviously, if someone makes a statement that describes their own actions as someone else's, and they're not aware of doing that, then objectively speaking, they've expressed an unconscious projection. For example if I start a conversation with "you are a religious zealot and you never start a conversation free of your preconceived notions", then, as I've got my preconceived notion of you as a zealot, I've described you as supposedly acting as I very obviously am acting in the expression itself. There's nothing personal in observing the structure of that expression. ... Now of course, objectivity and subjectivity ultimately define one another, and the trap is holding to one to the exclusion of the other.
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Post by laughter on Feb 11, 2015 13:30:40 GMT -5
That's your tactic, make false accusations (strawmen) when you want to escape without revealing your belief's misconceptions..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 13:43:16 GMT -5
Oh, there's a way to help the situation? Do tell. There is no way to help the situation because he's never going to let go enough to hear what you're saying. The onus will always be on the other to change before he does, that's how adaptable he truly believes he is. That's how it seems to me too. I think the GA was good in that it reduced the polarization. He had to interact with folks other than who- he-perceives-as bullies. Not sure if the odds are greater with a GA. Maybe this hysterical freeform style will burn the interest faster, but it only seems to be making the fixation more intense and less rational.
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Post by laughter on Feb 11, 2015 14:00:23 GMT -5
In one post there's the accusation that you're on a crusade and then, in the very next post, there's a call for you to come empty. I'm wonderin' now if the rastaphant's supply of blank stare is limitless?? The call to 'come empty' to the discussion is a request to set the crusade aside, just for opportunity to experience clarity, to see what is.. The blank stare signifies you running on auto-pilot, a drone flown by its emotional attachment to self-imagery.. carry-on.. Responded to here out of respect for the others on the thread.
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Post by laughter on Feb 11, 2015 14:02:46 GMT -5
Awww.. you're so cute when you're angry.. I don't know what to say to either of you... Yes I know it is superfluous and useless (to say anything), but how do you come to these things just because of a video?? There's a very long history involved here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 14:12:56 GMT -5
There is no way to help the situation because he's never going to let go enough to hear what you're saying. The onus will always be on the other to change before he does, that's how adaptable he truly believes he is. That's how it seems to me too. I think the GA was good in that it reduced the polarization. He had to interact with folks other than who- he-perceives-as bullies. Not sure if the odds are greater with a GA. Maybe this hysterical freeform style will burn the interest faster, but it only seems to be making the fixation more intense and less rational. spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2583/resetting-focus?page=15&scrollTo=95847!!
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 19:51:41 GMT -5
Oh, there's a way to help the situation? Do tell. There is no way to help the situation because he's never going to let go enough to hear what you're saying. The onus will always be on the other to change before he does, that's how adaptable he truly believes he is. That's because of the crusade and the unwillingness to 'come empty'that he doesn't seem to recognize as his own projection.
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 20:03:34 GMT -5
I don't know what to say to either of you... Yes I know it is superfluous and useless (to say anything), but how do you come to these things just because of a video?? There's a very long history involved here. It's important to uphold tradition.
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 11, 2015 21:46:06 GMT -5
The experiment signifies the observation something happening in the brain, and the observers assigning theories to the the happening.. i've watched several of these types of videos, and read papers purporting the same theories.. but, if you have no agenda other than understanding what is actually happening, there's no evidence that a decision has been made six seconds prior to the actual decision point.. it is equally possible that the subject is consciously anticipating the question and preparing to answer, reading the questioner's intentions as they formulate the question.. the challenge is to keep an open mind, rather than project your beliefs onto what is happening.. Indeed, that's the challenge. Did you notice yourself looking for a way to dismiss the results as you watched those videos? No, actually.. i was open to the possibility that the understanding i presented would be offered as another viable option, it would have added the illusion of credibility to the entertainment value of theoretical body-mind research..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 21:57:12 GMT -5
Hi, I've been reading you for a while. I write now to ask advice about how to answer my (10 year old) daughter. Recently she asked "How do we talk to ourselves, I mean how does that voice talk in my head?"... I mumbled some things like "the brain... err.. some part of it.. tells... recorded words.. err.. the other part... listens" but she asked for a better explanation... I happened to be reading a psychology book for an exam, showed her some pictures (of dendrites, axons) but that didn't help either What can I tell her? Thanks. Note: I have only watched some videos from Adyashanti and Mooji, about nonduality. To give my opinion..First you would have to express how special she is to have such curiosity in this subject. Then you get to business; Tell her how beautiful life is, and that sometimes God speaks to us to help us realize his existence. (I would recommend to use God, because it would be healthier for the child mentally. Regardless if you believe or not.) Explain that each person has to be polite when it comes to speaking to that person in our head. Allow her to use her imagination...let her mind express creativity!
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Post by tenka on Feb 12, 2015 3:02:57 GMT -5
The mind facilitates the process of self awareness . The thought that I exist, exists as a way of self identifying self as being present . Beyond mind there is no sense that I am or anythings is . Basically there is thought by design . Has got nothing to do with the brain, mind to mind communication is not of our physical counterparts . The thought acknowledgement is self's location of being present . Thanks. That seems a bit complicated (to me) though Do you say head talk has nothing to do with brain? Hi, Mind to mind communication / acknowledgement of thought happens within our physical experience and also beyond the physical experience . As thought exists beyond the physical experience the brain has no place in relation to thought .
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Post by zin on Feb 12, 2015 5:20:05 GMT -5
I don't know what to say to either of you... Yes I know it is superfluous and useless (to say anything), but how do you come to these things just because of a video?? These two go way back. It's like Ralph and Sam, punching in for the day. That was very informative, thank you ..One other thing, what is the GA you mentioned in a later post? Some kind of General Agreement?
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