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Post by zin on Feb 10, 2015 16:27:43 GMT -5
I liked the astronaut avatar .. I was going to put a rooster pic that I took but then chose this one. Thanx .. do you know the name of the plant against the wall outside your window? No, please tell. I tend to call all unidentified trees as locust tree ps. It was a place I stayed at summer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 16:43:24 GMT -5
Thanx .. do you know the name of the plant against the wall outside your window? No, please tell. I tend to call all unidentified trees as locust tree ps. It was a place I stayed at summer. There isn't anything to tell. I can't accurately ident it from that view, locust tree is fine with me. Cool.
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Post by zin on Feb 10, 2015 17:25:43 GMT -5
No, please tell. I tend to call all unidentified trees as locust tree ps. It was a place I stayed at summer. There isn't anything to tell. I can't accurately ident it from that view, locust tree is fine with me. Cool.
Oh, I forgot it is a small pic here. OK.
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 10, 2015 22:09:09 GMT -5
From Wikipedia: It's easy to dismiss someone else's understanding of your specialized use of language.. come to the discussion empty, willing to let your attachments to truths be suspended for an interval of liberated awareness.. give your beliefs the opportunity to reaffirm their veracity, or... the opportunity to expand your understanding.. So not only do you not understand the implications of no volition, you don't even understand what we mean when we talk about it in the context of these discussions. Further, you don't want to know, you just want to spit. That's your tactic, make false accusations (strawmen) when you want to escape without revealing your belief's misconceptions..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 10, 2015 22:11:41 GMT -5
It is useful to realize that consciousness is not divided, other than by the experiencer's choices to categorize it as such.. the imagined difference between consciousness and 'subconsciousness' is a function of the experiencer's desire to have a strawman for creating the illusions of their beliefs, kinda like 'ego'.. that video is an if/then theory about patterns in a brain scan, what is happening is conditioning activating to influence the decision, the decision can go in any direction.. notice that the test is not shown in its entirety, exposing the types of questions that set-up the decisions.. the process is suspect in that it is looking 'for' something.. Yes, they're looking for the truth as opposed to justification for their beliefs and preferences. No, they're trying to explain what they don't understand, with ideas they think they do understand..
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Post by enigma on Feb 10, 2015 23:58:17 GMT -5
So not only do you not understand the implications of no volition, you don't even understand what we mean when we talk about it in the context of these discussions. Further, you don't want to know, you j ust want to spit. In one post there's the accusation that you're on a crusade and then, in the very next post, there's a call for you to come empty. I'm wonderin' now if the rastaphant's supply of blank stare is limitless?? He's the easiest member on the forum to read cuz he talks about himself with every spit.
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 1:06:30 GMT -5
So not only do you not understand the implications of no volition, you don't even understand what we mean when we talk about it in the context of these discussions. Further, you don't want to know, you just want to spit. That's your tactic, make false accusations (strawmen) when you want to escape without revealing your belief's misconceptions..
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 1:11:27 GMT -5
Yes, they're looking for the truth as opposed to justification for their beliefs and preferences. No, they're trying to explain what they don't understand, with ideas they think they do understand.. They weren't trying to explain anything, and weren't talking about ideas. It was an experiment that showed that something in the brain signified a choice before the subject was consciously aware of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 2:51:38 GMT -5
That's your tactic, make false accusations (strawmen) when you want to escape without revealing your belief's misconceptions.. And how is that helping?
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 11, 2015 6:11:33 GMT -5
No, they're trying to explain what they don't understand, with ideas they think they do understand.. They weren't trying to explain anything, and weren't talking about ideas. It was an experiment that showed that something in the brain signified a choice before the subject was consciously aware of it. The experiment signifies the observation something happening in the brain, and the observers assigning theories to the the happening.. i've watched several of these types of videos, and read papers purporting the same theories.. but, if you have no agenda other than understanding what is actually happening, there's no evidence that a decision has been made six seconds prior to the actual decision point.. it is equally possible that the subject is consciously anticipating the question and preparing to answer, reading the questioner's intentions as they formulate the question.. the challenge is to keep an open mind, rather than project your beliefs onto what is happening..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 11, 2015 6:12:30 GMT -5
That's your tactic, make false accusations (strawmen) when you want to escape without revealing your belief's misconceptions.. Awww.. you're so cute when you're angry..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 11, 2015 6:21:56 GMT -5
So not only do you not understand the implications of no volition, you don't even understand what we mean when we talk about it in the context of these discussions. Further, you don't want to know, you j ust want to spit. In one post there's the accusation that you're on a crusade and then, in the very next post, there's a call for you to come empty. I'm wonderin' now if the rastaphant's supply of blank stare is limitless?? The call to 'come empty' to the discussion is a request to set the crusade aside, just for opportunity to experience clarity, to see what is.. The blank stare signifies you running on auto-pilot, a drone flown by its emotional attachment to self-imagery.. carry-on..
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Post by zin on Feb 11, 2015 8:07:07 GMT -5
Awww.. you're so cute when you're angry.. I don't know what to say to either of you... Yes I know it is superfluous and useless (to say anything), but how do you come to these things just because of a video??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 10:02:56 GMT -5
Awww.. you're so cute when you're angry.. I don't know what to say to either of you... Yes I know it is superfluous and useless (to say anything), but how do you come to these things just because of a video?? These two go way back. It's like Ralph and Sam, punching in for the day.
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2015 11:33:29 GMT -5
And how is that helping? Oh, there's a way to help the situation? Do tell.
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