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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 13:45:01 GMT -5
Rowan said thoughts come from memories Who's Rowan? Rowan Olivia Wise (5), and she's currently taking a nap
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 13:49:25 GMT -5
Rowan Olivia Wise (5), and she's currently taking a nap Aww!
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Post by laughter on Feb 8, 2015 14:01:25 GMT -5
Hi, I've been reading you for a while. I write now to ask advice about how to answer my (10 year old) daughter. Recently she asked "How do we talk to ourselves, I mean how does that voice talk in my head?"... I mumbled some things like "the brain... err.. some part of it.. tells... recorded words.. err.. the other part... listens" but she asked for a better explanation... I happened to be reading a psychology book for an exam, showed her some pictures (of dendrites, axons) but that didn't help either What can I tell her? Thanks. Note: I have only watched some videos from Adyashanti and Mooji, about nonduality. Wow, ur askin' this crew fer parenting advice?? Hey, your town got a "Child Protective Services"? What's the number?
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Feb 8, 2015 15:27:28 GMT -5
How do you know except by assuming it is so? Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. My favorite image if one thinks they are independent, lock yourself in an abandoned walk-in freezer and see how long you last, independent.
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Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2015 16:24:00 GMT -5
Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. My favorite image if one thinks they are independent, lock yourself in an abandoned walk-in freezer and see how long you last, independent. It's obvious that nobody is self sustaining. I thought we were using the term in a different way that had some meaning in a spiritual context.
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 17:25:04 GMT -5
How do you know except by assuming it is so? Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. There are infinite number of people and/or stars and/or vehicles and/or plants and animals. You can't use that analogy on all those independent moving 'parts'. I can eat rabbit and it will become a part of me, but if I don't, it won't. I can eat a car, but I'm not from mars, well no I can't eat a car - maybe some of the upholstery...
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Post by zin on Feb 8, 2015 17:44:09 GMT -5
Hi, I've been reading you for a while. I write now to ask advice about how to answer my (10 year old) daughter. Recently she asked "How do we talk to ourselves, I mean how does that voice talk in my head?"... I mumbled some things like "the brain... err.. some part of it.. tells... recorded words.. err.. the other part... listens" but she asked for a better explanation... I happened to be reading a psychology book for an exam, showed her some pictures (of dendrites, axons) but that didn't help either What can I tell her? Thanks. Note: I have only watched some videos from Adyashanti and Mooji, about nonduality. Wow, ur askin' this crew fer parenting advice?? Hey, your town got a "Child Protective Services"? What's the number? "ur askin' this crew fer parenting advice??" Yea, despite everything, I've done that.
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Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2015 19:04:32 GMT -5
Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. There are infinite number of people and/or stars and/or vehicles and/or plants and animals. You can't use that analogy on all those independent moving 'parts'. I can eat rabbit and it will become a part of me, but if I don't, it won't. I can eat a car, but I'm not from mars, well no I can't eat a car - maybe some of the upholstery... But the rabbit was eaten by a fox, which raided the hen house a week later than he would have, and caused you to have a different egg for breakfast. It's along the lines of the 'butterfly effect'.
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 20:01:44 GMT -5
There are infinite number of people and/or stars and/or vehicles and/or plants and animals. You can't use that analogy on all those independent moving 'parts'. I can eat rabbit and it will become a part of me, but if I don't, it won't. I can eat a car, but I'm not from mars, well no I can't eat a car - maybe some of the upholstery... But the rabbit was eaten by a fox, which raided the hen house a week later than he would have, and caused you to have a different egg for breakfast. It's along the lines of the 'butterfly effect'. Ooh yay, I can have me a butterfly omelet!
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 9, 2015 6:02:14 GMT -5
There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-) Cool.. what am i thinking?
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 9, 2015 6:14:29 GMT -5
Same observer, with independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs? Yes. Your model contradicts itself.. the independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs are a function of independently functioning versions of the same essence applying their volition in their choice of interpretation/understanding/belief..
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Post by tzujanli on Feb 9, 2015 6:20:46 GMT -5
Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. My favorite image if one thinks they are independent, lock yourself in an abandoned walk-in freezer and see how long you last, independent. Try going to your neighbor's house and making love to his wife.. or, invite your buddies over for a go at your significant other.. independence AND interdependence happen simultaneously, you choose according to circumstance and volition..
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Post by steven on Feb 9, 2015 10:15:22 GMT -5
There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-) Cool.. what am i thinking? What does your butthole look like?
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Post by enigma on Feb 9, 2015 11:04:16 GMT -5
Your model contradicts itself.. the independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs are a function of independently functioning versions of the same essence applying their volition in their choice of interpretation/understanding/belief.. It doesn't contradict until you conclude different perspective implies volition.
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Post by laughter on Feb 9, 2015 11:07:30 GMT -5
Wow, ur askin' this crew fer parenting advice?? Hey, your town got a "Child Protective Services"? What's the number? "ur askin' this crew fer parenting advice??" Yea, despite everything, I've done that.
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