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Post by tzujanli on Feb 8, 2015 11:28:04 GMT -5
What you write sounds like all the observers are the same observer, and that gives me a hilarious feeling! Thanks! Yes, same observer. Same observer, with independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs?
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 11:39:32 GMT -5
What you write sounds like all the observers are the same observer, and that gives me a hilarious feeling! Thanks! Yes, same observer. bee-eautiful
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 11:56:43 GMT -5
Rowan said thoughts come from memories
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Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2015 12:37:57 GMT -5
Yes, same observer. Same observer, with independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs? Yes.
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Post by steven on Feb 8, 2015 12:53:51 GMT -5
Same observer, with independent interpretations/understandings/beliefs? Yes. There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-)
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Post by steven on Feb 8, 2015 12:54:30 GMT -5
Rowan said thoughts come from memories That's wonderfully accurate and insightful, and pretty simple ;-)
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Post by steven on Feb 8, 2015 13:13:33 GMT -5
Hi Question, this is a much nicer version of this inquiry than the last time you proposed a question from a school age girl ;-) Thoughts are your most basic essence, your conciousness, moving and dancing and playing, all your thoughts together make up your mind, and whatever else you do with your body and whatever happens around you is the reflection of your mind shining outward. So words spoken silently in your mind are movements of your conciousness that you are keeping inside, instead of letting those movements out into this shared space we call the world. Some movements of the mind are just for you, a kind of private exploration or private conversation with yourself, while other movements of the mind are meant to be shared with everyone else. Silent thoughts inside your mind happen when your conciousness wants to talk to itself in a private way, and spoken thoughts happen when your conciousness wants to have thoughts that are shared with other parts of itself. In a real life situation, talking to an actual 10 year old, it would probably be best to say: 'It's a mystery that no one really knows the answer to, maybe you should try to find out for everyone else.' All my thoughts make up my mind, but why? The mind is collected patterns of thought that in aggregate form an identity, and an identity is centered around a node of conciousness from which attention is directed...there seems to be billions upon billions of these 'nodes of a universal consciousness' from which attention is directed, as if conciousness is looking at its own creation, looking back at its own self, from countless different perspectives. The mind is an aspect of that process, a means of its occurance that enjoys endlessly blooming variation. Countless perspectives enables endlessly evolving variation of experience....your mind is one of those briefly occurring experiences and perspectives that appear in your consciousness, and nourishes it in some eternally changing way.
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Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2015 13:17:32 GMT -5
There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-) Right, not the best word. Unique, maybe individualized.
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 13:19:49 GMT -5
There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-) How do you know except by assuming it is so?
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 13:21:17 GMT -5
There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-) Right, not the best word. Unique, maybe individualized. You can't have individualized without individual. Either way ... you're doin' okay. ~<3
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Post by enigma on Feb 8, 2015 13:27:36 GMT -5
Right, not the best word. Unique, maybe individualized. You can't have individualized without individual. Either way ... you're doin' okay. ~<3 Individual is fine. I think today is word lawyer day.
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Post by steven on Feb 8, 2015 13:27:59 GMT -5
There are no independent thoughts, or independent anything else for that matter...not in my experience anyway ;-) How do you know except by assuming it is so? Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper.
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 13:30:40 GMT -5
How do you know except by assuming it is so? Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. If the Buddha is willing to come down on both sides, I am as well. Have you ever run a three-legged race?
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Post by silver on Feb 8, 2015 13:40:25 GMT -5
Rowan said thoughts come from memories Who's Rowan?
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Post by steven on Feb 8, 2015 13:40:44 GMT -5
Hi Silver...that's an easy one ;-) The answer is direct observable experience....can you identify anything, or any thought, that is totally independent, that does not arise from or is in some way connected to something else? Two fingers can be said to be independent of each other, but they are not truely and totally independent, as they are connected and dependent upon the hand...all things are connected somewhere...direct observation can show this to anyone, if you have the patience and enough interest to always look a little deeper. If the Buddha is willing to come down on both sides, I am as well. Have you ever run a three-legged race? Yes....and Here is a nice question to contemplate if you are interested :-) Which part of you is not the buddha?
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