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Post by tzujanli on Dec 26, 2014 17:14:19 GMT -5
Those activities are performed based on a future happening.. What I said is "There's nothing that cannot happen in this present moment." It refers to infinite potential, which is present precisely because creation doesn't depend upon the created to act as a cause for another creation. IOW, the universe is created and recreated in each moment, and so nothing actually depends on what came before. Continuity is maintained, but does not imply a previous cause. Planning happens as part of the unfolding, but no logistics are actually required. Gravity works the same way moment to moment because it is created the same way moment to moment, but it doesn't have to be. In the next moment it could go away without any apparent cause. Mind doesn't like radical change and unpredictable randomness, and so structure becomes part of the happening.(creation forms from within creation) So it's likely things will go on much the way they have, with slow and steady change to provide constant experience that doesn't destabilize our paradigms too much, but it doesn't have to happen that way. The potential for change is unbounded in this moment, which is what it means to say God is omnipotent. Why drag 'God' into a well-stated sentence? Actually, there are many events in your own life that depend on previous events.. your access to the internet and your computer depended on your ability to pay for them, just to name the obvious, more so though.. the history that produced the infrastructure, and the creativity of those that tapped into that limitless potential to make this moment possible.. I appreciate your meaning that "There's nothing that cannot happen in this present moment", but you are continually demonstrating that you don't believe that.. Oneness AND Separation can and do happen in each present moment, but you maintain that separation is false..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 23:50:56 GMT -5
Part and whole, one and many.. welcome to the realization of actuality.. I don't have an issue with the integrated nature of creation. It appears as integrated because it is one. What I have an issue with is the idea that it is constituted of separate parts. Individuated appearances are not separate parts. That's also the solution to Gopal's dilemma of how everything is 'kept track' of. When everything is completely integrated as a singular movement, then there can be no logistical problems to work out. No need to set up events in the past that can bring about some outcome in the future. No need to keep track of the individual's life so that it can be recreated in the morning. If there is nothing separate to begin with, there is no need for planning or control. There is no cause outside of that singular, radically integrated movement. If the intention to manifest, and the manifestation, both happen, it is because they are different appearances in the same movement. It is not because a separate part caused something to happen. This oneness of all individual has anything in it's mind apart from the present movement perception of all individual? Can you elaborate the second bolded line please? How could it be different appearance in the same movement, I don't understand here. Take an example, I would like to meet a person, now this is my intention, how does this manifestation happens in the same movement? I think you have never used Law of attraction(Since you are running from my question about Law of attraction I guess so), your inexperienced in Law of attraction creates all these errors, If you have used law of attraction you would have noticed how your intention manifest your desire reality and you might have noticed the probable line was drawn immediately after you intend to create.
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Post by enigma on Dec 27, 2014 13:58:44 GMT -5
What I said is "There's nothing that cannot happen in this present moment." It refers to infinite potential, which is present precisely because creation doesn't depend upon the created to act as a cause for another creation. IOW, the universe is created and recreated in each moment, and so nothing actually depends on what came before. Continuity is maintained, but does not imply a previous cause. Planning happens as part of the unfolding, but no logistics are actually required. Gravity works the same way moment to moment because it is created the same way moment to moment, but it doesn't have to be. In the next moment it could go away without any apparent cause. Mind doesn't like radical change and unpredictable randomness, and so structure becomes part of the happening.(creation forms from within creation) So it's likely things will go on much the way they have, with slow and steady change to provide constant experience that doesn't destabilize our paradigms too much, but it doesn't have to happen that way. The potential for change is unbounded in this moment, which is what it means to say God is omnipotent. Why drag 'God' into a well-stated sentence? I don't mean to imply God as an actuality, only to point out the meaning of the term 'omnipotent' as used in a religious context, as it relates to ongoing creative potential. "Continuity is maintained, but does not imply a previous cause. Planning happens as part of the unfolding, but no logistics are actually required." The appearance of separation clearly does happen, and that appearance is part of infinite creative potential, but ultimately the entirety of creation is illusion. There is no actuality to separation, only the appearance of such.
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Post by enigma on Dec 27, 2014 14:48:05 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with the integrated nature of creation. It appears as integrated because it is one. What I have an issue with is the idea that it is constituted of separate parts. Individuated appearances are not separate parts. That's also the solution to Gopal's dilemma of how everything is 'kept track' of. When everything is completely integrated as a singular movement, then there can be no logistical problems to work out. No need to set up events in the past that can bring about some outcome in the future. No need to keep track of the individual's life so that it can be recreated in the morning. If there is nothing separate to begin with, there is no need for planning or control. There is no cause outside of that singular, radically integrated movement. If the intention to manifest, and the manifestation, both happen, it is because they are different appearances in the same movement. It is not because a separate part caused something to happen. This oneness of all individual has anything in it's mind apart from the present movement perception of all individual? Oneness does not have a mind. Oneness refers to the fact that separation is an illusion. Creation unfolds as a singular integrated movement without any cause/effect happening within that movement, because it is oneness in motion. All events related to this singular movement will be moving in the same direction, and no logistic coordination will be required. The intention to manifest, and the manifestation, are two aspects of the same spontaneous movement. Like two facets are two aspects of the same diamond. One facet does not cause the other facet to appear. I am not running from your question. I've been waiting for you to instantly and without fail manifest my response to your question. Yesterday, Marie was reading from David Hawkins about how 35% of illnesses can be cured with placebos alone. I'm sure he used Kineseology to derive that number, but it was an interesting statistic anyhoo. I've spent quite a bit of time on multiple LOA forums, as usual exploring WIBIGO. What I noticed most strongly was that it's treated like a club in which everybody supports and encourages the collective fantasy of manifesting their intentions. They would get quite upset when somebody would come along and challenge that fantasy because they knew it was a game. There was one lady who needed a computer and invited the group to help her manifest one. After a week or so, she excitedly declared that a new computer had successfully been manifested. After the group celebration, it was revealed that she got in her car, drove to the computer store, and purchased it. The really funny thing is that this revelation didn't dampen the celebration at all. It's about the only forum in which the insanity level regularly exceeded the most insane moments here. My opinion is that one may well be able to manifest most effectively from a place of unconsciousness, as it's a kind of self hypnosis that allows us to form beliefs and somewhat successfully remain in denial about that. As I said elsewhere, the creative principle is activated from the unconscious level. Because of the unconsciousness, however, the results can be quite unpredictable. To become conscious is to abandon that unconscious process of manifestation, but nothing is really lost since the need that one is trying to correct with manifestation is also manifested from that unconscious mind, and that also ceases.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 10:38:12 GMT -5
This oneness of all individual has anything in it's mind apart from the present movement perception of all individual? Oneness does not have a mind. Oneness refers to the fact that separation is an illusion. I knew you would reply this, Ok, that being said, it doesn't have anything in it's mind, If so, you are alone in your bedroom(assume you are alone) and went to sleep, this awareness looses every perception in your deep sleep and it is perceiving nothing also, If so, how does it get back to your bed room appearance, no where this bed room image is saved, because oneness doesn't have any mind in it's own, It view through it's individual's expression, If so, how it get back to your bed room appearance? Hope this time I made my question pretty clear. Since you are alone in your bed room, bed room exists only in your perception, and all other individual expression has it's own perception, So Once you went inside deep sleep, you awareness starts to perceive this nothing, If so, how it get back to it's bed room appearance? This question seems to be useless for you,but it contains deep meaning in it. But intention happens first and then manifestation follows. Isn't it? What I meant to say is, manifestation follows the intention,Isn't it? Ofcourse, It's really funny But my question is, Have you tried to manifest anything using affirmation or visualization? Have you succeeded to create anything?
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Post by enigma on Dec 28, 2014 13:02:34 GMT -5
Oneness does not have a mind. Oneness refers to the fact that separation is an illusion. I knew you would reply this, Ok, that being said, it doesn't have anything in it's mind, If so, you are alone in your bedroom(assume you are alone) and went to sleep, this awareness looses every perception in your deep sleep and it is perceiving nothing also, If so, how does it get back to your bed room appearance, no where this bed room image is saved, because oneness doesn't have any mind in it's own, It view through it's individual's expression, If so, how it get back to your bed room appearance? Hope this time I made my question pretty clear. Since you are alone in your bed room, bed room exists only in your perception, and all other individual expression has it's own perception, So Once you went inside deep sleep, you awareness starts to perceive this nothing, If so, how it get back to it's bed room appearance? This question seems to be useless for you,but it contains deep meaning in it.Do you mean for you? So? I used to tell folks who wanted to play with manifestation to manifest rubber duckies. They usually come back with these funny 'duckies everywhere they look' stories. Hehe. The reason I use duckies is because nobody really needs one, and therefore they are not blocking it unconsciously with all sorts of ducky issues, and because there's a lightness and humor to it, which is conducive to manifestation. However, affirmation and visualization are only somewhat effective for those who are sufficiently unconscious that they can sort of hypnotize themselves. The unconscious are highly susceptible to suggestion, even their own.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 13:15:48 GMT -5
I knew you would reply this, Ok, that being said, it doesn't have anything in it's mind, If so, you are alone in your bedroom(assume you are alone) and went to sleep, this awareness looses every perception in your deep sleep and it is perceiving nothing also, If so, how does it get back to your bed room appearance, no where this bed room image is saved, because oneness doesn't have any mind in it's own, It view through it's individual's expression, If so, how it get back to your bed room appearance? Hope this time I made my question pretty clear. Since you are alone in your bed room, bed room exists only in your perception, and all other individual expression has it's own perception, So Once you went inside deep sleep, you awareness starts to perceive this nothing, If so, how it get back to it's bed room appearance? This question seems to be useless for you,but it contains deep meaning in it.Do you mean for you? No, You are not giving so much importance to this part, that's what I said it seems to be useless for you but it contain deep meaning in it. That aside,you haven't answered my question above. Can you please answer me for the question I have raised? with the given condition(please read the above paragraph) how does this bed room appearance comes to you when you wake up? You agree? This intention may not be the cause of manifestation because as I say intention itself has already been a manifestation right now, but this intention indicates the direction of universe moves by fulfilling it. Isn't it? Iwhat I meant to say by the word Intention is, what is happening in our mind, manifestation is the outer world movement.
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