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Post by silver on Apr 10, 2015 1:37:27 GMT -5
There have been quite a few times in the past that I felt totally switched off when a doctor or a dentist or ___ said I should do X, Y, Z and just numbly followed along, and sometimes I felt distrusting of what they were telling me and other times okay...like my heart surgery. I'm having trouble understanding that it seems you think people can 100% trust their own 'intuition' or something, I'm struggling to understand. I'm guessing you've been a healthy specimen and haven't had much in the way of these situations that require some heavy duty decisions because I don't think you've had anything in the way of experience with the reality of them...? Yep, it is a dog-eat-dog world. First you have to find out what impulses are true inner guidance and what impulses come from socialization. Often what people think is intuition is just social programming. And if you can't tell the two apart, then of course, you cannot trust your impulses. But once you know which is which, you can trust it 100%. A-H talk about pre-manifestational awareness and post-manifestational awareness. If you are happy-face-stickering, like most people do, you'll probably only have post-manifestational awareness. You've got a unwanted condition manifested in your experience and by looking at that condition you notice that it doesn't make you feel so good. So you take action to make it go away. Manifestation, as emotions, are indicators of your focus and actual state of being (your general vibe) So, if you have a severe physical condition that limits your ability to move around, causes you pain or makes you feel lifeless, then this is just an indicator of your actual state of being (how you've been vibrating) all along, you just didn't notice because you aren't aware of your actual feelings. The helpful thing about such manifestations is that it only amplifies how you've been feeling all along. To attract a condition that feels limiting and painful - be it a bodily condition, a financial condition or a relationship condition; it doesn't really matter - you must have been feeling limited and in pain all along. So, if you think about your heart condition prior to that surgery, how did your heart condition make you feel? And haven't you been feeling like that all along? The post-manifestational feeling is usually an exaggerated version of the pre-manifestational feelings. And if you would have been sensitive to your actual feelings instead of ignoring them or happy-face-stickering them away, you would have seen the signs long before that kind of vibrational state of being manifests as an actual physical condition. It always manifests as an emotional condition first and if you notice that emotional condition and then do something to get back in alignment, you don't have to go thru the physical manifestation phase of that emotional condition. That's why it is so important to be in touch with your actual feelings. And now, since you've already got a physical condition, you know what's been going on and that this physical condition is just an exaggerated indicator of your emotional indicator which is an indicator of what you are doing with your focus. As soon as you change your focus, you will get immediate feedback via your emotions, they change immediately, too. And depending on how consistently and considerably you've changed your focus, all the other indicators will change too (body, relationships, finances etc). That's what spiritual practice is all about. It's no rocket science. It can't get simpler than that. And anybody who wants you believe that it is more complex and complicated than that, is just a false prophet. Up front, I'll admit to being skeptical that this is all there is to it. Yet, I agree with it being very important to be in touch with one's real feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 2:09:53 GMT -5
Yeah,.. A while back I realised I was addicted to being sick. That was kind of intense.. I doubt that you enjoyed being sick, but I can see how people can enjoy some benefits of being sick, like people being nicer to you and do everything you want them to do and such. Sickness can be some kind of coping mechanism to get thru life, to get what you want. People turn it into a tool of manipulation. That's exactly what Silver did with her grief in the BP thread. www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/559971/Judi-Dench-coping-husband-s-death-Grief-huge-energy-you"Grief generates a huge energy in you and it’s better for everybody if you harness it to do something."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 2:21:46 GMT -5
Up front, I'll admit to being skeptical that this is all there is to it. Yet, I agree with it being very important to be in touch with one's real feelings. I imagine that your first thought would be I don't know. Though if you had a think about it, what would your friend David who used to do your deep tissue massages, say about Reefs' A-H translations?
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Post by Reefs on Apr 10, 2015 9:15:24 GMT -5
First you have to find out what impulses are true inner guidance and what impulses come from socialization. Often what people think is intuition is just social programming. And if you can't tell the two apart, then of course, you cannot trust your impulses. But once you know which is which, you can trust it 100%. A-H talk about pre-manifestational awareness and post-manifestational awareness. If you are happy-face-stickering, like most people do, you'll probably only have post-manifestational awareness. You've got a unwanted condition manifested in your experience and by looking at that condition you notice that it doesn't make you feel so good. So you take action to make it go away. Manifestation, as emotions, are indicators of your focus and actual state of being (your general vibe) So, if you have a severe physical condition that limits your ability to move around, causes you pain or makes you feel lifeless, then this is just an indicator of your actual state of being (how you've been vibrating) all along, you just didn't notice because you aren't aware of your actual feelings. The helpful thing about such manifestations is that it only amplifies how you've been feeling all along. To attract a condition that feels limiting and painful - be it a bodily condition, a financial condition or a relationship condition; it doesn't really matter - you must have been feeling limited and in pain all along. So, if you think about your heart condition prior to that surgery, how did your heart condition make you feel? And haven't you been feeling like that all along? The post-manifestational feeling is usually an exaggerated version of the pre-manifestational feelings. And if you would have been sensitive to your actual feelings instead of ignoring them or happy-face-stickering them away, you would have seen the signs long before that kind of vibrational state of being manifests as an actual physical condition. It always manifests as an emotional condition first and if you notice that emotional condition and then do something to get back in alignment, you don't have to go thru the physical manifestation phase of that emotional condition. That's why it is so important to be in touch with your actual feelings. And now, since you've already got a physical condition, you know what's been going on and that this physical condition is just an exaggerated indicator of your emotional indicator which is an indicator of what you are doing with your focus. As soon as you change your focus, you will get immediate feedback via your emotions, they change immediately, too. And depending on how consistently and considerably you've changed your focus, all the other indicators will change too (body, relationships, finances etc). That's what spiritual practice is all about. It's no rocket science. It can't get simpler than that. And anybody who wants you believe that it is more complex and complicated than that, is just a false prophet. Up front, I'll admit to being skeptical that this is all there is to it. Yet, I agree with it being very important to be in touch with one's real feelings. You have to check it out for yourself. Hearsay won't help you. Only first hand experience will do and then you will be done with looking for advice elsewhere once and for all.
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Post by silver on Apr 10, 2015 9:36:25 GMT -5
I doubt that you enjoyed being sick, but I can see how people can enjoy some benefits of being sick, like people being nicer to you and do everything you want them to do and such. Sickness can be some kind of coping mechanism to get thru life, to get what you want. People turn it into a tool of manipulation. That's exactly what Silver did with her grief in the BP thread. www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/559971/Judi-Dench-coping-husband-s-death-Grief-huge-energy-you"Grief generates a huge energy in you and it’s better for everybody if you harness it to do something." There is just too much to say (about my grief / life situation) and it's wonderful if you're an actress and have all sorts of wherewithal like friends, money, status to do all sorts of wonderful things to take your mind off of your loss. Everyone's situation is different. Once I've dealt with the grief - and it's a lifetime thing - not just hey in two years or five years, I'll be 'ready to live again' - that's fantasyland. I think especially in terms of losing a young one like my son (almost 23). Totally different. The thing about the BP thread - I hadn't even gotten further than page 1, when certain parties (<3) stepped in and uh... interrupted my poetry and musings and ponderings. It was a success partly because it most definitely took my mind off of my loss - in a way.
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Post by silver on Apr 10, 2015 9:39:02 GMT -5
Up front, I'll admit to being skeptical that this is all there is to it. Yet, I agree with it being very important to be in touch with one's real feelings. I imagine that your first thought would be I don't know. Though if you had a think about it, what would your friend David who used to do your deep tissue massages, say about Reefs' A-H translations? I think David would say 'I don't know," too. It doesn't matter how long you think about something like that -- one can't possibly know what another would think about anything without being able to check with them.
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Post by laughter on Apr 10, 2015 12:03:19 GMT -5
I haven't read or seen "50 Shades" but one of the 10 second trailers just nails the question of attachment to form. In it, Grey is whisking Anastasia away on his plane and I guess just got done telling her the itinerary and she looks up at him quizzically and asks "butt I thought you weren't into Romance??". So Grey stoically replies "I'm not" ... and her reaction is just priceless. It was all in her eyes and her smile, and all she replies is like "oooooh huh?" .. but not even like a real word like that. Priceless. So why do you pay your property taxes if you're not attached to your house? If you have no attachments in form, why own anything at all? It's a similar bind with respect to personal relationships ... what is the difference between your feelings for your son or for some random homeless guy on the street? Not all attachments are created equal, and like Grey ... yeah, there's Romance ... it's just not "Romance". Doooooooooooooooode, does paying property taxes year after year mean being attached to/stuck with one and the same identity for years? Not very enlightened. Chill dooooood .. u mean that payin' those bills don't mean that someone is, all like, "resistant to change" or "bound to the impermanent" ... wow, now I'm really confused ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 13:49:03 GMT -5
There is just too much to say (about my grief / life situation) and it's wonderful if you're an actress and have all sorts of wherewithal like friends, money, status to do all sorts of wonderful things to take your mind off of your loss. Everyone's situation is different. Once I've dealt with the grief - and it's a lifetime thing - not just hey in two years or five years, I'll be 'ready to live again' - that's fantasyland. I think especially in terms of losing a young one like my son (almost 23). Totally different. The thing about the BP thread - I hadn't even gotten further than page 1, when certain parties (<3) stepped in and uh... interrupted my poetry and musings and ponderings. It was a success partly because it most definitely took my mind off of my loss - in a way. I just admired her admittance that grief can be spoken of in such a way. She doesn't speak in public much and so it hit a nerve. And personally I see it that way too. There are thousands of parents who lose their children. A friend's eldest daughter was shot dead some years back, in South Africa. She had returned to England with her other two daughters, who are beautiful mothers themselves now. You have never been alone in your experience, though I gather that there wasn't anyone in your life at the time that had had such a similar loss.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 13:49:46 GMT -5
I imagine that your first thought would be I don't know. Though if you had a think about it, what would your friend David who used to do your deep tissue massages, say about Reefs' A-H translations? I think David would say 'I don't know," too. It doesn't matter how long you think about something like that -- one can't possibly know what another would think about anything without being able to check with them. Ok, it was just an idea.
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Post by figgles on Apr 10, 2015 15:34:47 GMT -5
Doooooooooooooooode, does paying property taxes year after year mean being attached to/stuck with one and the same identity for years? Not very enlightened. Chill dooooood .. u mean that payin' those bills don't mean that someone is, all like, "resistant to change" or "bound to the impermanent" ... wow, now I'm really confused ... Just as it is with attachments, not all resistance is created equal. There are desires that have need/clinging/deep seated aversion at their foundation, and there are those that do not, those that are more along the lines of preferences. A man who prefers to live out the rest of his life in the house he's currently residing in, will 'suffer' emotionally to a much lesser degree if that house were to be swept away by a great wind or flood, than the man whose Peace absolutely depends upon the permanence of that residence. As someone who spent many years as a traveling performer, living without a home base, out of suitcases, I now have a strong preference to put down roots, to settle down in a particular home. That said, I also am well aware of and accepting of the impermanent nature of all of this, and the fact that sh*t happens, and I'm pretty confident that if something happened to interfere with that preference, there would still be a foundational, sense of 'okayness' with life.
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Post by laughter on Apr 10, 2015 15:54:42 GMT -5
Chill dooooood .. u mean that payin' those bills don't mean that someone is, all like, "resistant to change" or "bound to the impermanent" ... wow, now I'm really confused ... Just as it is with attachments, not all resistance is created equal. There are desires that have need/clinging/deep seated aversion at their foundation, and there are those that do not, those that are more along the lines of preferences. A man who prefers to live out the rest of his life in the house he's currently residing in, will 'suffer' emotionally to a much lesser degree if that house were to be swept away by a great wind or flood, than the man whose Peace absolutely depends upon the permanence of that residence. As someone who spent many years as a traveling performer, living without a home base, out of suitcases, I now have a strong preference to put down roots, to settle down in a particular home. That said, I also am well aware of and accepting of the impermanent nature of all of this, and the fact that sh*t happens, and I'm pretty confident that if something happened to interfere with that preference, there would still be a foundational, sense of 'okayness' with life. Instead of dwaddling up a preference/attachment dichotomy and justifying it with your story, another way to go would be to recognize that imagining that the details of an individuals life situation have much of anything to do with how free they are is a form of Gangaji's exclusion trap.
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Post by figgles on Apr 10, 2015 15:55:21 GMT -5
There is just too much to say (about my grief / life situation) and it's wonderful if you're an actress and have all sorts of wherewithal like friends, money, status to do all sorts of wonderful things to take your mind off of your loss. Everyone's situation is different. Once I've dealt with the grief - and it's a lifetime thing - not just hey in two years or five years, I'll be 'ready to live again' - that's fantasyland. I think especially in terms of losing a young one like my son (almost 23). Totally different. The thing about the BP thread - I hadn't even gotten further than page 1, when certain parties (<3) stepped in and uh... interrupted my poetry and musings and ponderings. It was a success partly because it most definitely took my mind off of my loss - in a way. I just admired her admittance that grief can be spoken of in such a way. She doesn't speak in public much and so it hit a nerve. And personally I see it that way too. There are thousands of parents who lose their children. A friend's eldest daughter was shot dead some years back, in South Africa. She had returned to England with her other two daughters, who are beautiful mothers themselves now.
You have never been alone in your experience, though I gather that there wasn't anyone in your life at the time that had had such a similar loss.Indeed there are thousands of parents who lose their children. That in no way diminishes the grief each individual parent experiences though. IN telling someone she has never been alone in her experience, and expecting that to be some sort of 'magic bullet', you ignore the fact of the specific, unique bond she experienced with her child, and thus, the uniqueness of what she feels she's lost. Regardless of a shared general experience of losing a child, There is still an individualized experience of loss that will be unique to each parent....thus, an experience of loss that is as unique as the relationship itself was. There is healing in sharing about the uniqueness of the relationship, and sharing about the uniqueness of the one who died. Far more helpful than telling a grieving mom that her situation is not at all unique, that thousands of parents lose their kids, thus it's not such a big deal......is asking her to tell you about her child...and being there to listen. "There are thousands of parents who lose their children" coming from a person who has never known what it means to lose a child, just comes off as really callous.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 15:59:06 GMT -5
I just admired her admittance that grief can be spoken of in such a way. She doesn't speak in public much and so it hit a nerve. And personally I see it that way too. There are thousands of parents who lose their children. A friend's eldest daughter was shot dead some years back, in South Africa. She had returned to England with her other two daughters, who are beautiful mothers themselves now.
You have never been alone in your experience, though I gather that there wasn't anyone in your life at the time that had had such a similar loss.Indeed there are thousands of parents who lose their children. That in no way diminishes the grief each individual parent experiences though. IN telling someone she has never been alone in her experience, and expecting that to be some sort of 'magic bullet', you ignore the fact of the specific, unique bond she experienced with her child, and thus, the uniqueness of what she feels she's lost. Regardless of a shared general experience of losing a child, There is still an individualized experience of loss that will be unique to each parent....thus, an experience of loss that is as unique as the relationship itself was. There is healing in sharing about the uniqueness of the relationship, and sharing about the uniqueness of the one who died. Far more helpful than telling a grieving mom that her situation is not at all unique, that thousands of parents lose their kids, thus it's not such a big deal......is asking her to tell you about her child...and being there to listen. "There are thousands of parents who lose their children" coming from a person who has never known what it means to lose a child, just comes off as really callous. Here we go again. Instead of seeking out the thousands of parents that were able to help directly through the sharing of their own experiences. Silver came here, did she not?
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Post by figgles on Apr 10, 2015 16:15:38 GMT -5
Just as it is with attachments, not all resistance is created equal. There are desires that have need/clinging/deep seated aversion at their foundation, and there are those that do not, those that are more along the lines of preferences. A man who prefers to live out the rest of his life in the house he's currently residing in, will 'suffer' emotionally to a much lesser degree if that house were to be swept away by a great wind or flood, than the man whose Peace absolutely depends upon the permanence of that residence. As someone who spent many years as a traveling performer, living without a home base, out of suitcases, I now have a strong preference to put down roots, to settle down in a particular home. That said, I also am well aware of and accepting of the impermanent nature of all of this, and the fact that sh*t happens, and I'm pretty confident that if something happened to interfere with that preference, there would still be a foundational, sense of 'okayness' with life. Instead of dwaddling up a preference/attachment dichotomy and justifying it with your story, another way to go would be to recognize that imagining that the details of an individuals life situation have much of anything to do with how free they are is a form of Gangaji's exclusion trap. Not a dwad. There is in fact a huge difference between being so deeply attached to a particular manifestation of form, that I suffer for it in it's absence, and preferring a particular manifestation in form, but not needing it to be at Peace. (not suffering in it's absence). Indeed, we can say " Oneness includes everything, thus, even suffering does not occur outside of Oneness", but does that necessarily mean then that suffering must forever be an inevitable aspect of being/experiencing? if there is no importance ascribed to the difference between suffering emotionally or not, then why any sense of importance at all ascribed to 'being conscious'...or SR? You've mangled Gangaji's message badly. When she speaks of 'including' everything, she means that there is nothing, not even suffering, clinging, grasping, attachment, unconsciousness, ego, pettiness, anger, hatred, etc. that happens outside of "One." If anger, hatred, egoic need is happening, then it is not happening outside of 'what I am", no, That does not mean though that all of that must be an inevitable aspect of being/experience.
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Post by figgles on Apr 10, 2015 16:19:30 GMT -5
Indeed there are thousands of parents who lose their children. That in no way diminishes the grief each individual parent experiences though. IN telling someone she has never been alone in her experience, and expecting that to be some sort of 'magic bullet', you ignore the fact of the specific, unique bond she experienced with her child, and thus, the uniqueness of what she feels she's lost. Regardless of a shared general experience of losing a child, There is still an individualized experience of loss that will be unique to each parent....thus, an experience of loss that is as unique as the relationship itself was. There is healing in sharing about the uniqueness of the relationship, and sharing about the uniqueness of the one who died. Far more helpful than telling a grieving mom that her situation is not at all unique, that thousands of parents lose their kids, thus it's not such a big deal......is asking her to tell you about her child...and being there to listen. "There are thousands of parents who lose their children" coming from a person who has never known what it means to lose a child, just comes off as really callous. Here we go again. Instead of seeking out the thousands of parents that were able to help directly through the sharing of their own experiences. Silver came here, did she not? I suggest you stop judging something you have no personal experience with. When grief is leading the way, People go where they go, often with a sense of being pulled or guided. That's not something you nor I need to get in the way of.
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