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Post by figgles on Apr 6, 2015 11:22:23 GMT -5
"You can't get it wrong and you will never get it done" - Abraham Yeah, that one just sort of encapsulates any other quote they could ever come up with doesn't it?..... regardless of what's happening, it's all good...and it's just gonna keep flowing, so, stop efforting and just allow that flow to sweep ya up...or not, even if efforting is happening, it's fine.
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Post by jay17 on Apr 6, 2015 13:48:24 GMT -5
"You can't get it wrong and you will never get it done" - Abraham Yeah, that one just sort of encapsulates any other quote they could ever come up with doesn't it?..... regardless of what's happening, it's all good...and it's just gonna keep flowing, so, stop efforting and just allow that flow to sweep ya up...or not, even if efforting is happening, it's fine.
I have never read anything of the channeling that Jerry and Ester Hicks do. Thought i'd take a gander. Found many quotes i agree with. Though there are thoughts\ideas\conclusions and concepts that many other humans spread out through history that have also come up with. In regards to your question, from the only 4 pages of quotes i just read last night, i will have to disagree with your point of view as i perceive this quote(above) does not encapsulate many of their other quotes. I see contradiction. But that 's okay, because Jerry, Esther and Abraham have already addressed that experience... "Let us put it to you this way: If you ever hear a contradiction in our message, you’ve misheard." - Abraham-Hicks, 1999It seems to me then that if i see error in their statements, their reasoning is, "Your mind malfunction, you no see properly, you no interpret correctly." In regards to your underlined statement... I gots me a sweet '04 XR6 ute. Got it a few months ago because me '99 XR6 was falling apart and costing too much to maintain it. Upon first getting to connect with it, i discovered the soon to be bald tyres are way crappy and do not grip in the wet, so due to a long relationship with me previous ute, that had high quality grippy tyres, i had to relearn in me new ute to discover it's loss of grip point in corners. One day, with a mild misty rain falling, i decided this was a good day to test how fast i can go round the many corners on the all too familiar 15min drive to the local village...one particular corner, a 90 degree left hander right at the top of a huge hill is one of me favs of which i and me previous ute can comfortably take at 100K in the wet. Not even a hint of sliding. So i hit this corner in me new ute at 80K, and to my surprise, the front end loses grip half way round and instantly i am heading for the embankment on the other side of the road and about to total the front end and wreck me new ute. After the millisecond of surprise and panic, i regain calmness and effortlessly apply the ABS brakes and regain control and manage to stay on the bitumen, though now fully on the other side of the road. Good thing no cars were coming the other way up the hill. In my mind, how i interpret and label\identify\judge the experience, - my initial assessment was, taking the corner at 80K was wrong. - it was not good that i was about to total me ute in an embankment. - i decided to not go with the flow, i decided to interrupt this flow and stop me ute from smashing into said embankment. - it took conscious effort to achieve this. - i chose to not let the flow of the moment sweep me and me ute into an embankment. - the decision to test the grip of me new ute was a good idea, the execution on that corner was not, should have started off at 60K, then incrementally go higher till i felt slight slippage. - without high quality ABS, i could not have saved ute from destruction. Conclusions. There were both, personally assigned, good and bad elements of that experience. New ute - good...very very good. Road with lots of corners - also very good. Test to check grip level of new ute's tyres - good. Take corner too fast - bad. Going to hit embankment - very bad. ABS to regain control - very good. Test results - good. I now know grip level of sh1tty cheapa$$ tyres. Have never lost control since that day. Got new mags and tyres finally put on months after old tyres finally bald. I am all for going with the flow of life, having a state of being that is not adversely disturbed by events\situations. What i don't do is remain passive and allow events to unfold if i judge i do not want it to unfold a certain way. If someone wishes to label all events as "All good", I will not interfere with how they choose to identify\label\classify things. I simply do not agree with that mindset, it is of no use to me, i don't have a problem with labeling things as wrong or bad, or that i do not appreciate something and i have the power to change or correct it. I also do not have a problem with the initial response i had of surprise, fear, panic, dread of realizing the potential now exists that i will total me new ute. I quickly('blink of an eye' speed) assessed the situation, re-initiated a calm joyful effortless effort state and initiated actions to change the outcome to something i preferred. In response to Abraham's quote, i choose to classify the event as i did get it wrong, and i did get it done. And it doesn't bother me in the slightest if Abraham thinks i misinterpret his statements. I have learnt to trust my own innate ability to observe and critically think and formulate my own conclusions, and it appears to me that Abraham contradicts themself, and if Abraham concludes he does not, then he has every right and freedom to perceive existence as he chooses, just like i do.
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Post by figgles on Apr 6, 2015 16:28:34 GMT -5
Yeah, that one just sort of encapsulates any other quote they could ever come up with doesn't it?..... regardless of what's happening, it's all good...and it's just gonna keep flowing, so, stop efforting and just allow that flow to sweep ya up...or not, even if efforting is happening, it's fine.
I have never read anything of the channeling that Jerry and Ester Hicks do. Thought i'd take a gander. Found many quotes i agree with. Though there are thoughts\ideas\conclusions and concepts that many other humans spread out through history that have also come up with. In regards to your question, from the only 4 pages of quotes i just read last night, i will have to disagree with your point of view as i perceive this quote(above) does not encapsulate many of their other quotes. I see contradiction. But that 's okay, because Jerry, Esther and Abraham have already addressed that experience... "Let us put it to you this way: If you ever hear a contradiction in our message, you’ve misheard." - Abraham-Hicks, 1999It seems to me then that if i see error in their statements, their reasoning is, "Your mind malfunction, you no see properly, you no interpret correctly." In regards to your underlined statement... I gots me a sweet '04 XR6 ute. Got it a few months ago because me '99 XR6 was falling apart and costing too much to maintain it. Upon first getting to connect with it, i discovered the soon to be bald tyres are way crappy and do not grip in the wet, so due to a long relationship with me previous ute, that had high quality grippy tyres, i had to relearn in me new ute to discover it's loss of grip point in corners. One day, with a mild misty rain falling, i decided this was a good day to test how fast i can go round the many corners on the all too familiar 15min drive to the local village...one particular corner, a 90 degree left hander right at the top of a huge hill is one of me favs of which i and me previous ute can comfortably take at 100K in the wet. Not even a hint of sliding. So i hit this corner in me new ute at 80K, and to my surprise, the front end loses grip half way round and instantly i am heading for the embankment on the other side of the road and about to total the front end and wreck me new ute. After the millisecond of surprise and panic, i regain calmness and effortlessly apply the ABS brakes and regain control and manage to stay on the bitumen, though now fully on the other side of the road. Good thing no cars were coming the other way up the hill. In my mind, how i interpret and label\identify\judge the experience, - my initial assessment was, taking the corner at 80K was wrong. - it was not good that i was about to total me ute in an embankment. - i decided to not go with the flow, i decided to interrupt this flow and stop me ute from smashing into said embankment. - it took conscious effort to achieve this. - i chose to not let the flow of the moment sweep me and me ute into an embankment. - the decision to test the grip of me new ute was a good idea, the execution on that corner was not, should have started off at 60K, then incrementally go higher till i felt slight slippage. - without high quality ABS, i could not have saved ute from destruction. Conclusions. There were both, personally assigned, good and bad elements of that experience. New ute - good...very very good. Road with lots of corners - also very good. Test to check grip level of new ute's tyres - good. Take corner too fast - bad. Going to hit embankment - very bad. ABS to regain control - very good. Test results - good. I now know grip level of sh1tty cheapa$$ tyres. Have never lost control since that day. Got new mags and tyres finally put on months after old tyres finally bald. I am all for going with the flow of life, having a state of being that is not adversely disturbed by events\situations. What i don't do is remain passive and allow events to unfold if i judge i do not want it to unfold a certain way. If someone wishes to label all events as "All good", I will not interfere with how they choose to identify\label\classify things. I simply do not agree with that mindset, it is of no use to me, i don't have a problem with labeling things as wrong or bad, or that i do not appreciate something and i have the power to change or correct it. I also do not have a problem with the initial response i had of surprise, fear, panic, dread of realizing the potential now exists that i will total me new ute. I quickly('blink of an eye' speed) assessed the situation, re-initiated a calm joyful effortless effort state and initiated actions to change the outcome to something i preferred. In response to Abraham's quote, i choose to classify the event as i did get it wrong, and i did get it done. And it doesn't bother me in the slightest if Abraham thinks i misinterpret his statements. I have learnt to trust my own innate ability to observe and critically think and formulate my own conclusions, and it appears to me that Abraham contradicts themself, and if Abraham concludes he does not, then he has every right and freedom to perceive existence as he chooses, just like i do.I see that particular quote as addressing things from a very broad perspective. Indeed, judging, labelling, deeming certain thing to be good/bad, in need of improvement, making corrections/improvements etc, etc, can (and likely will) continue despite resonance with such an idea. The form that judging/correcting/improving upon could take could be as simple as me seeing a typo as I'm typing these words, and going back in to correct it. The sense though of 'all being okay' is more fundamental or foundational than the surface judgement of seeing a typo that requires correcting. The sense of 'okayness' the quote suggests then, is very broad and wide sweeping perspective/sense about life in general, in that it encompasses or underscores all judgments, all corrections, all classifications. The sense of okayness is not really a personal judgment 'about' life's happenings/circumstances at all, but best described as the sense of 'well being' that is the by-product of present moment being, absent mind's judgements. To your last paragraph; Yes!
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Post by Reefs on Apr 6, 2015 22:37:38 GMT -5
"Can you imagine a woman at the gas station, looking at her empty gas gauge, and weeping? Well, it makes just about as much sense to weep over cancer. Same thing. Same exact thing."
Abraham-Hicks, 2007
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Post by silver on Apr 6, 2015 22:53:06 GMT -5
"Can you imagine a woman at the gas station, looking at her empty gas gauge, and weeping? Well, it makes just about as much sense to weep over cancer. Same thing. Same exact thing." Abraham-Hicks, 2007I doubt any woman or man has ever wept over an empty gas tank when they're parked at the petrol station - that would be inane. I don't get the quote. What was said before and aft what you quoted, Reefs?
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Post by Reefs on Apr 6, 2015 23:18:53 GMT -5
"Can you imagine a woman at the gas station, looking at her empty gas gauge, and weeping? Well, it makes just about as much sense to weep over cancer. Same thing. Same exact thing." Abraham-Hicks, 2007I doubt any woman or man has ever wept over an empty gas tank when they're parked at the petrol station - that would be inane. I don't get the quote. What was said before and aft what you quoted, Reefs? The gas gauge is an indicator for what's happening with your gas tank. The gas tank stands for your flow of life force and the gas gauge stands for your emotions and manifestations. A gas gauge that says empty is an indicator for an empty gas tank. To change what the indicator is showing you, just fill up your gas tank and the gas gauge has to change from empty to full. It's absolutely certain. Cancer (as any other terminal illness) is an indicator for strong resistance, i.e. heavily restricted flow of life force. To change the indicator, just let the life force flow freely again and the indicator has to change from terminally ill to total health again. It's absolutely certain. And life force is always there flowing abundantly (gas station). So there's no need to worry, ever. But you have to understand what the indicator means. If you understand it, then all those reasons people come up with to explain their manifestations just seem absurd, e.g. explaining cancer with bad genes or food additives or sun exposure and such... those explanations are coming from a vantage point of ignorance and disempowerment. So, if you are happy-face-stickering, i.e. ignore what your gas gauge is actually telling you - calling 'empty' (negative emotion) 'full' (positive emotion), you'll run out of gas sooner or later (terminal illness) and your car eventually breaks down (croaking). Very simple logic. What makes it problematic is that some peeps think that a gas gauge that reads empty means you are bad or that a gas gauge should never read anything other than full or that your gas gauge should be ignored or removed.
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Post by silver on Apr 7, 2015 0:24:29 GMT -5
I doubt any woman or man has ever wept over an empty gas tank when they're parked at the petrol station - that would be inane. I don't get the quote. What was said before and aft what you quoted, Reefs? The gas gauge is an indicator for what's happening with your gas tank. The gas tank stands for your flow of life force and the gas gauge stands for your emotions and manifestations. A gas gauge that says empty is an indicator for an empty gas tank. To change what the indicator is showing you, just fill up your gas tank and the gas gauge has to change from empty to full. It's absolutely certain. Cancer (as any other terminal illness) is an indicator for strong resistance, i.e. heavily restricted flow of life force. To change the indicator, just let the life force flow freely again and the indicator has to change from terminally ill to total health again. It's absolutely certain. And life force is always there flowing abundantly (gas station). So there's no need to worry, ever. But you have to understand what the indicator means. If you understand it, then all those reasons people come up with to explain their manifestations just seem absurd, e.g. explaining cancer with bad genes or food additives or sun exposure and such... those explanations are coming from a vantage point of ignorance and disempowerment. So, if you are happy-face-stickering, i.e. ignore what your gas gauge is actually telling you - calling 'empty' (negative emotion) 'full' (positive emotion), you'll run out of gas sooner or later (terminal illness) and your car eventually breaks down (croaking). Very simple logic. What makes it problematic is that some peeps think that a gas gauge that reads empty means you are bad or that a gas gauge should never read anything other than full or that your gas gauge should be ignored or removed. Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you?
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Post by Reefs on Apr 7, 2015 5:03:30 GMT -5
"There are a lot of people who can tap into vibrations. Whether they tap into the vibration of where their dearly departed has departed to or whether they tap into the thought form from which their dearly departed has departed is a questionable thing."
Abraham-Hicks, 2007
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Post by figgles on Apr 7, 2015 11:02:18 GMT -5
The gas gauge is an indicator for what's happening with your gas tank. The gas tank stands for your flow of life force and the gas gauge stands for your emotions and manifestations. A gas gauge that says empty is an indicator for an empty gas tank. To change what the indicator is showing you, just fill up your gas tank and the gas gauge has to change from empty to full. It's absolutely certain. Cancer (as any other terminal illness) is an indicator for strong resistance, i.e. heavily restricted flow of life force. To change the indicator, just let the life force flow freely again and the indicator has to change from terminally ill to total health again. It's absolutely certain. And life force is always there flowing abundantly (gas station). So there's no need to worry, ever. But you have to understand what the indicator means. If you understand it, then all those reasons people come up with to explain their manifestations just seem absurd, e.g. explaining cancer with bad genes or food additives or sun exposure and such... those explanations are coming from a vantage point of ignorance and disempowerment. So, if you are happy-face-stickering, i.e. ignore what your gas gauge is actually telling you - calling 'empty' (negative emotion) 'full' (positive emotion), you'll run out of gas sooner or later (terminal illness) and your car eventually breaks down (croaking). Very simple logic. What makes it problematic is that some peeps think that a gas gauge that reads empty means you are bad or that a gas gauge should never read anything other than full or that your gas gauge should be ignored or removed. Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you? Yes. That kind of 100% onus on 'the person' as you indicate, can seem a tad over-simplistic indeed. As you're likely aware Silver, Nisargadatta, an avid smoker, died of throat cancer. It's hard to marry his teachings with the idea that he was strongly resistant to life. (just needing to fill up his gas tank). If his accounts are to be taken as true, in his own words, he supposedly had zero identity near the end. Not sure how there could be any emotional resistance present in the absence of all identification. Below is a quote from "Consciousness and The Absolute - The final talks of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj": "I don't have any identity arising out of consciousness. Presently the body is undergoing a lot of agony. Dizziness, pains; all these things are happening at the physical level. In spite of this state, the talk comes out inspiringly. What permits that? It is the guna, the beingness. That beingness not only experiences your visits here, but it also experiences various changes and transformations in this body and in the world." hehe..it would have been interesting to hear how he would have responded to someone suggesting that his cancer was the result of mental/emotional resistance.
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Post by andrew on Apr 7, 2015 11:19:27 GMT -5
Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you? Yes. That kind of 100% onus on 'the person' as you indicate, can seem a tad over-simplistic indeed. As you're likely aware Silver, Nisargadatta, an avid smoker, died of throat cancer. It's hard to marry his teachings with the idea that he was strongly resistant to life. (just needing to fill up his gas tank). If his accounts are to be taken as true, in his own words, he supposedly had zero identity near the end. Not sure how there could be any emotional resistance present in the absence of all identification. Below is a quote from "Consciousness and The Absolute - The final talks of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj": "I don't have any identity arising out of consciousness. Presently the body is undergoing a lot of agony. Dizziness, pains; all these things are happening at the physical level. In spite of this state, the talk comes out inspiringly. What permits that? It is the guna, the beingness. That beingness not only experiences your visits here, but it also experiences various changes and transformations in this body and in the world." hehe..it would have been interesting to hear how he would have responded to someone suggesting that his cancer was the result of mental/emotional resistance. Yes good points, there is a balance to this. Drink cyanide and death is extremely likely to be the case, resistance or otherwise! Eat burger and fries every day, three times a day, for a year, and whether there is resistance or not, it seems pretty likely that there will be health issues as a result. I think what Abe-Hicks is saying is that when there is an absence of resistance, the flow of life and path of least resistance might have us eat burger and fries sometimes, or we might drink alcohol sometimes, and that's not problem. They are not saying the body becomes immune to the world. Plus, absence of resistance may still have us checking in with the body to see what might be appropriate and not appropriate.
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Post by figgles on Apr 7, 2015 11:52:44 GMT -5
Yes. That kind of 100% onus on 'the person' as you indicate, can seem a tad over-simplistic indeed. As you're likely aware Silver, Nisargadatta, an avid smoker, died of throat cancer. It's hard to marry his teachings with the idea that he was strongly resistant to life. (just needing to fill up his gas tank). If his accounts are to be taken as true, in his own words, he supposedly had zero identity near the end. Not sure how there could be any emotional resistance present in the absence of all identification. Below is a quote from "Consciousness and The Absolute - The final talks of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj": "I don't have any identity arising out of consciousness. Presently the body is undergoing a lot of agony. Dizziness, pains; all these things are happening at the physical level. In spite of this state, the talk comes out inspiringly. What permits that? It is the guna, the beingness. That beingness not only experiences your visits here, but it also experiences various changes and transformations in this body and in the world." hehe..it would have been interesting to hear how he would have responded to someone suggesting that his cancer was the result of mental/emotional resistance. Yes good points, there is a balance to this. Drink cyanide and death is extremely likely to be the case, resistance or otherwise! Eat burger and fries every day, three times a day, for a year, and whether there is resistance or not, it seems pretty likely that there will be health issues as a result. I think what Abe-Hicks is saying is that when there is an absence of resistance, the flow of life and path of least resistance might have us eat burger and fries sometimes, or we might drink alcohol sometimes, and that's not problem. They are not saying the body becomes immune to the world. Plus, absence of resistance may still have us checking in with the body to see what might be appropriate and not appropriate. Yes, all great points. It's all too easy to get into a black/white, either/or frame of mind where manifestations are concerned. & That 'path of least resistance' bit, plays a huge part...easy to second guess that at times too though. ..hehe , guess that's where the 'balance' comes into play, 'cause if the second guessing and checking in goes too far, then resistance enters in. As with all things, best to be aware of if/where hard/fixed lines are being drawn.....if they are, balance has likely gone out the window.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 7, 2015 20:23:13 GMT -5
The gas gauge is an indicator for what's happening with your gas tank. The gas tank stands for your flow of life force and the gas gauge stands for your emotions and manifestations. A gas gauge that says empty is an indicator for an empty gas tank. To change what the indicator is showing you, just fill up your gas tank and the gas gauge has to change from empty to full. It's absolutely certain. Cancer (as any other terminal illness) is an indicator for strong resistance, i.e. heavily restricted flow of life force. To change the indicator, just let the life force flow freely again and the indicator has to change from terminally ill to total health again. It's absolutely certain. And life force is always there flowing abundantly (gas station). So there's no need to worry, ever. But you have to understand what the indicator means. If you understand it, then all those reasons people come up with to explain their manifestations just seem absurd, e.g. explaining cancer with bad genes or food additives or sun exposure and such... those explanations are coming from a vantage point of ignorance and disempowerment. So, if you are happy-face-stickering, i.e. ignore what your gas gauge is actually telling you - calling 'empty' (negative emotion) 'full' (positive emotion), you'll run out of gas sooner or later (terminal illness) and your car eventually breaks down (croaking). Very simple logic. What makes it problematic is that some peeps think that a gas gauge that reads empty means you are bad or that a gas gauge should never read anything other than full or that your gas gauge should be ignored or removed. Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you? That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives.
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Post by silver on Apr 7, 2015 20:34:42 GMT -5
Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you? That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. I understand what you're saying, and I totally agree...but you're presenting maybe half of the equation: I totally believe that the things we cannot see - not just germs and that sort of thing - but the fact that other people, like doctors, dentists, other members of established medicine - are not always looking out for the general public's best interests and lead us astray and give us meds that are harming us, advice about what to eat that is totally skewed, etc. I don't think most of us could automatically 'know' these factors.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 7, 2015 22:52:45 GMT -5
That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. I understand what you're saying, and I totally agree...but you're presenting maybe half of the equation: I totally believe that the things we cannot see - not just germs and that sort of thing - but the fact that other people, like doctors, dentists, other members of established medicine - are not always looking out for the general public's best interests and lead us astray and give us meds that are harming us, advice about what to eat that is totally skewed, etc. I don't think most of us could automatically 'know' these factors. Everyone is selfishly oriented and interested in preserving self above anything else. And that's normal. That's why it is so important to get in touch with your actual feelings, which is your inner guidance. Outer guidance is not reliable. Other people follow their own selfish interests first and foremost. Which means what they recommend first helps them and maybe also you, if you are lucky. You don't have to know about medicine or the economy or politics or history or law in order to thrive. You don't have to sort this all out. Knowing all about it most likely will lead you away from your inner guidance and you will end up living in your head. All you have to know is that what feels good to you is good for you and what feels bad to you is bad for you. That's all. So, if a doctor calls you terminally ill in order to motivate you to buy his surgery or drug or do his tests so that he has another long term customer and you only rely on outer guidance and are scared into action, then you will likely be taken advantage of and there will only be benefit for him but not for you. But if you rely on your inner guidance and the surgery or drug he offers feels good to you and sounds like relief, then it can be of benefit for him and for you. So, nothing wrong with governments, politicians or doctors or captains of industries following their own selfish interest. What's wrong is only the belief that another would put aside their own natural selfishness in order to cater to your own selfishness. That's naive and absurd and the reason for a lot of ruffled feathers, unnecessary conflict and suffering.
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Post by silver on Apr 7, 2015 23:18:20 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying, and I totally agree...but you're presenting maybe half of the equation: I totally believe that the things we cannot see - not just germs and that sort of thing - but the fact that other people, like doctors, dentists, other members of established medicine - are not always looking out for the general public's best interests and lead us astray and give us meds that are harming us, advice about what to eat that is totally skewed, etc. I don't think most of us could automatically 'know' these factors. Everyone is selfishly oriented and interested in preserving self above anything else. And that's normal. That's why it is so important to get in touch with your actual feelings, which is your inner guidance. Outer guidance is not reliable. Other people follow their own selfish interests first and foremost. Which means what they recommend first helps them and maybe also you, if you are lucky. You don't have to know about medicine or the economy or politics or history or law in order to thrive. You don't have to sort this all out. Knowing all about it most likely will lead you away from your inner guidance and you will end up living in your head. All you have to know is that what feels good to you is good for you and what feels bad to you is bad for you. That's all. So, if a doctor calls you terminally ill in order to motivate you to buy his surgery or drug or do his tests so that he has another long term customer and you only rely on outer guidance and are scared into action, then you will likely be taken advantage of and there will only be benefit for him but not for you. But if you rely on your inner guidance and the surgery or drug he offers feels good to you and sounds like relief, then it can be of benefit for him and for you. So, nothing wrong with governments, politicians or doctors or captains of industries following their own selfish interest. What's wrong is only the belief that another would put aside their own natural selfishness in order to cater to your own selfishness. That's naive and absurd and the reason for a lot of ruffled feathers, unnecessary conflict and suffering. There have been quite a few times in the past that I felt totally switched off when a doctor or a dentist or ___ said I should do X, Y, Z and just numbly followed along, and sometimes I felt distrusting of what they were telling me and other times okay...like my heart surgery. I'm having trouble understanding that it seems you think people can 100% trust their own 'intuition' or something, I'm struggling to understand. I'm guessing you've been a healthy specimen and haven't had much in the way of these situations that require some heavy duty decisions because I don't think you've had anything in the way of experience with the reality of them...? Yep, it is a dog-eat-dog world.
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