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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 3:01:43 GMT -5
Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you? That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. I pulled my neck out a couple of months back. It was a Friday morning, I was due on a job and had to cancel because I couldn't move my head without some serious pain. I went to the chemist and spoke with a comparatively over-weight pharmacist. His summary of the pulled muscle included two weeks of recovery time!! I said "what about accelerated healing?" He just looked at me and reiterated that it would probably take two weeks. I went to a doctor the next day to check it wasn't a trapped nerve. As there were no pins and needles sensations in my arms and hands, it wasn't. Then with heat pads and anti-inflammatory meds.. right as rain by Monday and back to work.
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Post by earnest on Apr 8, 2015 3:31:40 GMT -5
Okay...that's good...I understand the basic premises. The thing of it is, you're putting the onus 100% (or you and other A-H followers / devotees) on the person...that's not strictly true, because there is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that it has far more to do with your basic run of the mill modern day pollution - which wasn't mentioned among the other phony reasons for illnesses. I was never quite sure if A-H and the like, were trying to tell peeps that they won't ever die of anything if their philosophy is followed - you know what I mean, don't you? That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. Yeah,.. A while back I realised I was addicted to being sick. That was kind of intense..
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Post by silver on Apr 8, 2015 8:41:33 GMT -5
That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. I pulled my neck out a couple of months back. It was a Friday morning, I was due on a job and had to cancel because I couldn't move my head without some serious pain. I went to the chemist and spoke with a comparatively over-weight pharmacist. His summary of the pulled muscle included two weeks of recovery time!! I said "what about accelerated healing?" He just looked at me and reiterated that it would probably take two weeks. I went to a doctor the next day to check it wasn't a trapped nerve. As there were no pins and needles sensations in my arms and hands, it wasn't. Then with heat pads and anti-inflammatory meds.. right as rain by Monday and back to work. Yes, heat / warm heat (a nice warm bath or shower) alone might do the trick...I used to get what we called muscle knots on the left side of my neck and along the shoulder blade all the time and my friend David (r.i.p.) used to massage them away with deep tissue type massage, followed by a eucalyptus liniment rub that he got from a Chinese apothecary. Definitely worked wonders. No waiting!
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Post by silver on Apr 8, 2015 8:44:03 GMT -5
That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. Yeah,.. A while back I realised I was addicted to being sick. That was kind of intense.. Yes! I understand that: It's something you can count on! I guess it's that thing where we don't like change - even if it's good. Crazy humans.
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Post by figgles on Apr 8, 2015 10:47:10 GMT -5
Yeah,.. A while back I realised I was addicted to being sick. That was kind of intense.. Yes! I understand that: It's something you can count on! I guess it's that thing where we don't like change - even if it's good. Crazy humans. yes, well said, and that seemingly inherent 'resistance to change' can take so many forms. (Folks holding tightly to physical identity, bodily state, a particular place of residence, to a particular situation, people, things, etc. etc.) Freedom in one area, does not necessarily mean freedom in all areas. Which is interesting. The attachment can be very, very subtle, but even the tiniest form of it, impinges freedom. It's an important attachment to look at, (attachment to permanence we could call it) and what's really at the brunt of it is an uneasiness with the impermanent, ever-changing nature of life itself. To make peace with change is really to make peace with the flow of life, and when that happens......everything shifts, as you become at one with the flow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:28:51 GMT -5
That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. Yeah,.. A while back I realised I was addicted to being sick. That was kind of intense.. I did notice that you hadn't mentioned it for awhile. Brave move.
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2015 21:35:46 GMT -5
Yes! I understand that: It's something you can count on! I guess it's that thing where we don't like change - even if it's good. Crazy humans. yes, well said, and that seemingly inherent 'resistance to change' can take so many forms. (Folks holding tightly to physical identity, bodily state, a particular place of residence, to a particular situation, people, things, etc. etc.) Freedom in one area, does not necessarily mean freedom in all areas. Which is interesting. The attachment can be very, very subtle, but even the tiniest form of it, impinges freedom. It's an important attachment to look at, (attachment to permanence we could call it) and what's really at the brunt of it is an uneasiness with the impermanent, ever-changing nature of life itself. To make peace with change is really to make peace with the flow of life, and when that happens......everything shifts, as you become at one with the flow. Do you pay property taxes?
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Post by figgles on Apr 8, 2015 21:49:55 GMT -5
yes, well said, and that seemingly inherent 'resistance to change' can take so many forms. (Folks holding tightly to physical identity, bodily state, a particular place of residence, to a particular situation, people, things, etc. etc.) Freedom in one area, does not necessarily mean freedom in all areas. Which is interesting. The attachment can be very, very subtle, but even the tiniest form of it, impinges freedom. It's an important attachment to look at, (attachment to permanence we could call it) and what's really at the brunt of it is an uneasiness with the impermanent, ever-changing nature of life itself. To make peace with change is really to make peace with the flow of life, and when that happens......everything shifts, as you become at one with the flow. Do you pay property taxes? yup...?
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Post by laughter on Apr 8, 2015 22:17:23 GMT -5
Do you pay property taxes? yup...? I haven't read or seen "50 Shades" but one of the 10 second trailers just nails the question of attachment to form. In it, Grey is whisking Anastasia away on his plane and I guess just got done telling her the itinerary and she looks up at him quizzically and asks "butt I thought you weren't into Romance??". So Grey stoically replies "I'm not" ... and her reaction is just priceless. It was all in her eyes and her smile, and all she replies is like "oooooh huh?" .. but not even like a real word like that. Priceless. So why do you pay your property taxes if you're not attached to your house? If you have no attachments in form, why own anything at all? It's a similar bind with respect to personal relationships ... what is the difference between your feelings for your son or for some random homeless guy on the street? Not all attachments are created equal, and like Grey ... yeah, there's Romance ... it's just not "Romance".
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Post by figgles on Apr 8, 2015 22:37:54 GMT -5
yup...? I haven't read or seen "50 Shades" but one of the 10 second trailers just nails the question of attachment to form. In it, Grey is whisking Anastasia away on his plane and I guess just got done telling her the itinerary and she looks up at him quizzically and asks "butt I thought you weren't into Romance??". So Grey stoically replies "I'm not" ... and her reaction is just priceless. It was all in her eyes and her smile, and all she replies is like "oooooh huh?" .. but not even like a real word like that. Priceless. So why do you pay your property taxes if you're not attached to your house? If you have no attachments in form, why own anything at all? It's a similar bind with respect to personal relationships ... what is the difference between your feelings for your son or for some random homeless guy on the street? Not all attachments are created equal, and like Grey ... yeah, there's Romance ... it's just not "Romance". Right.
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Post by figgles on Apr 9, 2015 10:25:13 GMT -5
"Bloom where you are."
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Post by figgles on Apr 9, 2015 10:36:16 GMT -5
"Sadness just means distorted point of view. It means just temporarily out of viewpoint of who you really are and what you really know and what's really going on....every negative emotion means the same thing..and the emotional scale is because there are varying degrees to which you pinch yourself off...sometimes you really pinch off, sometimes you really have a disagreement with Source and sometimes you sort of have a disagreement with Source." AH
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2015 22:42:30 GMT -5
Everyone is selfishly oriented and interested in preserving self above anything else. And that's normal. That's why it is so important to get in touch with your actual feelings, which is your inner guidance. Outer guidance is not reliable. Other people follow their own selfish interests first and foremost. Which means what they recommend first helps them and maybe also you, if you are lucky. You don't have to know about medicine or the economy or politics or history or law in order to thrive. You don't have to sort this all out. Knowing all about it most likely will lead you away from your inner guidance and you will end up living in your head. All you have to know is that what feels good to you is good for you and what feels bad to you is bad for you. That's all. So, if a doctor calls you terminally ill in order to motivate you to buy his surgery or drug or do his tests so that he has another long term customer and you only rely on outer guidance and are scared into action, then you will likely be taken advantage of and there will only be benefit for him but not for you. But if you rely on your inner guidance and the surgery or drug he offers feels good to you and sounds like relief, then it can be of benefit for him and for you. So, nothing wrong with governments, politicians or doctors or captains of industries following their own selfish interest. What's wrong is only the belief that another would put aside their own natural selfishness in order to cater to your own selfishness. That's naive and absurd and the reason for a lot of ruffled feathers, unnecessary conflict and suffering. There have been quite a few times in the past that I felt totally switched off when a doctor or a dentist or ___ said I should do X, Y, Z and just numbly followed along, and sometimes I felt distrusting of what they were telling me and other times okay...like my heart surgery. I'm having trouble understanding that it seems you think people can 100% trust their own 'intuition' or something, I'm struggling to understand. I'm guessing you've been a healthy specimen and haven't had much in the way of these situations that require some heavy duty decisions because I don't think you've had anything in the way of experience with the reality of them...? Yep, it is a dog-eat-dog world. First you have to find out what impulses are true inner guidance and what impulses come from socialization. Often what people think is intuition is just social programming. And if you can't tell the two apart, then of course, you cannot trust your impulses. But once you know which is which, you can trust it 100%. A-H talk about pre-manifestational awareness and post-manifestational awareness. If you are happy-face-stickering, like most people do, you'll probably only have post-manifestational awareness. You've got a unwanted condition manifested in your experience and by looking at that condition you notice that it doesn't make you feel so good. So you take action to make it go away. Manifestation, as emotions, are indicators of your focus and actual state of being (your general vibe) So, if you have a severe physical condition that limits your ability to move around, causes you pain or makes you feel lifeless, then this is just an indicator of your actual state of being (how you've been vibrating) all along, you just didn't notice because you aren't aware of your actual feelings. The helpful thing about such manifestations is that it only amplifies how you've been feeling all along. To attract a condition that feels limiting and painful - be it a bodily condition, a financial condition or a relationship condition; it doesn't really matter - you must have been feeling limited and in pain all along. So, if you think about your heart condition prior to that surgery, how did your heart condition make you feel? And haven't you been feeling like that all along? The post-manifestational feeling is usually an exaggerated version of the pre-manifestational feelings. And if you would have been sensitive to your actual feelings instead of ignoring them or happy-face-stickering them away, you would have seen the signs long before that kind of vibrational state of being manifests as an actual physical condition. It always manifests as an emotional condition first and if you notice that emotional condition and then do something to get back in alignment, you don't have to go thru the physical manifestation phase of that emotional condition. That's why it is so important to be in touch with your actual feelings. And now, since you've already got a physical condition, you know what's been going on and that this physical condition is just an exaggerated indicator of your emotional indicator which is an indicator of what you are doing with your focus. As soon as you change your focus, you will get immediate feedback via your emotions, they change immediately, too. And depending on how consistently and considerably you've changed your focus, all the other indicators will change too (body, relationships, finances etc). That's what spiritual practice is all about. It's no rocket science. It can't get simpler than that. And anybody who wants you believe that it is more complex and complicated than that, is just a false prophet.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2015 22:52:30 GMT -5
That you are going to leave behind this body one day is a given. But illness is an anomaly. And declining before you die may be the new rule of thumb these days in the western world, but it's not natural. It's totally unnecessary as is suffering in general. It's not normal. Said that, it always amazes me how very sick people can so readily argue for their own limitations and how easily they choose being right over being well anytime. The only explanation I have for this phenomenon is that they are totally out of touch with life and their actual feelings and only live in their heads for the most part of their lives. Yeah,.. A while back I realised I was addicted to being sick. That was kind of intense.. I doubt that you enjoyed being sick, but I can see how people can enjoy some benefits of being sick, like people being nicer to you and do everything you want them to do and such. Sickness can be some kind of coping mechanism to get thru life, to get what you want. People turn it into a tool of manipulation. That's exactly what Silver did with her grief in the BP thread.
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Post by Reefs on Apr 9, 2015 22:55:29 GMT -5
yup...? I haven't read or seen "50 Shades" but one of the 10 second trailers just nails the question of attachment to form. In it, Grey is whisking Anastasia away on his plane and I guess just got done telling her the itinerary and she looks up at him quizzically and asks "butt I thought you weren't into Romance??". So Grey stoically replies "I'm not" ... and her reaction is just priceless. It was all in her eyes and her smile, and all she replies is like "oooooh huh?" .. but not even like a real word like that. Priceless. So why do you pay your property taxes if you're not attached to your house? If you have no attachments in form, why own anything at all? It's a similar bind with respect to personal relationships ... what is the difference between your feelings for your son or for some random homeless guy on the street? Not all attachments are created equal, and like Grey ... yeah, there's Romance ... it's just not "Romance". Doooooooooooooooode, does paying property taxes year after year mean being attached to/stuck with one and the same identity for years? Not very enlightened.
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