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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 19:02:31 GMT -5
The original setting and the school are two different animals, one having grown directly out of the other, lessons learns and missions changed. There is however no deviation from the basic principles of freedom and space to unfold and flower I outlined about the first place in the second place. Is there any branch of Christianity that offers meditation? -- the only instance I know of is the Catholic reservation of the practice for their clergy. True that prayer is meditation with the added elements of apology and plea (one or the other optional, of course), but in that road, lies all the difference. Between the dress code, the boatload of memes listed on the site and these rules: SCHOOL RULES AND STUDENT EXPECTATIONS STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT • Students must be in seats and ready to learn when the bell rings. • Tardy students must obtain a tardy slip from the office prior to proceeding to class. • Students must eat snack at recess and return to next class on time. No beverage or food is allowed in classrooms. • Students must go directly to the café at lunch break where after eating they may proceed to free time. • Students are not allowed in any room without adult supervision. • Students are expected to clean-up their garbage and aid in keeping the campus clean. • Students are required to have needed material with them in class (planners, pencils, etc.) • Students are required to adhere to the dress code. • Students are required to communicate in a respectful and courteous manner when addressing adults and fellow students. • Students are expected to complete and turn-in homework and classroom work on time. • Students are expected to listen and follow directions. DISCIPLINE POLICY A disruptive child in class will be given verbal warning. After reasonable warning the student will be separated from the classroom and asked to read quietly. After 5 minutes the student will be allowed to re-join the class. If disruptive behavior continues parents will be contacted by the Principal and/or a staff member and the student may be suspended or expelled. PLAYGROUND RULES While on the playground, students are expected to: 1. Play safely and use equipment wisely. 2. Be considerate of other’s games 3. Leave the playground as soon as the bell rings. 4. Follow monitor’s directions immediately. 5. Use appropriate language and behavior among each other. 6. Keep hands, feet and objects to themselves. TARDY AND ABSENCE POLICY When returning to school after an absence or after being tardy, a student must bring his/her excuse to the office to receive an admit slip. The student must bring the admit slip to teacher’s of the missed classes. ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND CELL PHONES No hand held gaming devices (game boy, ds, etc. ) , music devises or other electronic entertainment devises are allowed on campus. Cell phones must be turned off and stored away during school hours. SKATEBOARDS/ROLLER BLADES/SCOOTERS Skateboards/roller blades/scooters or similar devices are prohibited during school hours unless the administrator for a specific activity gives special permission. These devices are not allowed inside school buildings. Use of skateboards/roller blades/scooters on the school premises during non-school hours is at the user’s risk. ... seems to me that "psychological space" is just lip service to begin with, and as we'd expect of any school in the States there are minimum academic standards to be met so obviously the students have to show up for more than just meals. No, not as described. That's because I didn't describe the school as being like the ranch, except as far as the shared philosophical connection regarding innate interest and learning/education.
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 19:21:03 GMT -5
Catholic schooling? I'll have nun of that . I was about 14 when I tested the theory that only the Priest could stand behind the altar and mere mortals venturing onto holy ground would disintegrate instantly. When God didn't strike me dead, I realized that it was all a big lie and left the church forever. In terms of Brighton, space and freedom at the school is best represented by the idea that the child's natural interests are paramount in his/her education. The curriculum is built to his/her innate interests and talents rather than the other way around. But they are in Oregon, next time you are passing through Grants Pass, stop by and see for yourself what's what. That part sounds good. It's not, however, psychological space. I specifically checked out the student rules and expectations for the students. It seems those expectations even extend to the parents. I don't have an issue with any of that, but it's interesting that a school that started out creating an environment of maximum psychological space (and it was that which you pointed to as the effective catalyst) ultimately decided to eliminate psychological space all together. I think JLY's post that ended with the mentioning of the school was partially meant to be a sort of loose analogy for stuff... When a business entity of any kind starts gearing up and growing, I think we all know the inevitability of the growth of liabilities and more laws having to be tacked on. I think that's a separate sort of issue. Many, if not most of those laws - are already being observed by those parents and children, anyway. It's just a legal thing and has nothing to do with the relative freedom provided from the start.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 19:36:11 GMT -5
Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW) What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. ( It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting) The lesson is, psychological space leads to failure. Something the military and every successful business knows well.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 7, 2014 19:36:12 GMT -5
The original setting and the school are two different animals, one having grown directly out of the other, lessons learns and missions changed. There is however no deviation from the basic principles of freedom and space to unfold and flower I outlined about the first place in the second place. Is there any branch of Christianity that offers meditation? -- the only instance I know of is the Catholic reservation of the practice for their clergy. True that prayer is meditation with the added elements of apology and plea (one or the other optional, of course), but in that road, lies all the difference. Between the dress code, the boatload of memes listed on the site and these rules: SCHOOL RULES AND STUDENT EXPECTATIONS STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT • Students must be in seats and ready to learn when the bell rings. • Tardy students must obtain a tardy slip from the office prior to proceeding to class. • Students must eat snack at recess and return to next class on time. No beverage or food is allowed in classrooms. • Students must go directly to the café at lunch break where after eating they may proceed to free time. • Students are not allowed in any room without adult supervision. • Students are expected to clean-up their garbage and aid in keeping the campus clean. • Students are required to have needed material with them in class (planners, pencils, etc.) • Students are required to adhere to the dress code. • Students are required to communicate in a respectful and courteous manner when addressing adults and fellow students. • Students are expected to complete and turn-in homework and classroom work on time. • Students are expected to listen and follow directions. DISCIPLINE POLICY A disruptive child in class will be given verbal warning. After reasonable warning the student will be separated from the classroom and asked to read quietly. After 5 minutes the student will be allowed to re-join the class. If disruptive behavior continues parents will be contacted by the Principal and/or a staff member and the student may be suspended or expelled. PLAYGROUND RULES While on the playground, students are expected to: 1. Play safely and use equipment wisely. 2. Be considerate of other’s games 3. Leave the playground as soon as the bell rings. 4. Follow monitor’s directions immediately. 5. Use appropriate language and behavior among each other. 6. Keep hands, feet and objects to themselves. TARDY AND ABSENCE POLICY When returning to school after an absence or after being tardy, a student must bring his/her excuse to the office to receive an admit slip. The student must bring the admit slip to teacher’s of the missed classes. ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND CELL PHONES No hand held gaming devices (game boy, ds, etc. ) , music devises or other electronic entertainment devises are allowed on campus. Cell phones must be turned off and stored away during school hours. SKATEBOARDS/ROLLER BLADES/SCOOTERS Skateboards/roller blades/scooters or similar devices are prohibited during school hours unless the administrator for a specific activity gives special permission. These devices are not allowed inside school buildings. Use of skateboards/roller blades/scooters on the school premises during non-school hours is at the user’s risk. ... seems to me that "psychological space" is just lip service to begin with, and as we'd expect of any school in the States there are minimum academic standards to be met so obviously the students have to show up for more than just meals. No, not as described. Father Thomas Keating going probably back to the 70's, by studying the mystical Christian tradition, developed a form of Christian meditation which he called Centering Prayer. There is a tradition that goes back many centuries of what's called the Jesus Prayer, AKA the Prayer of the Heart. JD Salinger actually wrote about it in some of his books. He got it from a book by an anonymous Russian Orthodox writer of The Way of A Pilgrim, who discusses what he learned from The Philokalia, a collection of writings from the 4th to the 14th century, mostly coming out of Eastern Orthodox Monasticism. (four of five volumes have been translated into English, the 5th is still being translated). The full Jesus Prayer is, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me a sinner. In the book The Way of A Pilgrim, the main character has read in the Bible, pray without ceasing. He wonders if this is at all possible and begins to ask others on his way while traveling. He finds this one guy who tells him about the Philokalia and the Jesus Prayer, and tells him how to pray the Jesus Prayer. But one can shorten the prayer, even to Jesus have mercy on me. he learns that yes, it is possible to pray without ceasing. So Thomas Keating took all this and more and devised the Centering Prayer. He has written extensively on it and has led retreats for many years. It is sort of like TM. You can take one word and use it as a point of focus, for example, Jesus. But the point is not the word Jesus, the point is the focus of attention. If you realize mind has wandered off, you come back to saying Jesus, Jesus, maintaining focus, and as long as you have focus you don't have to repeat the word. Cynthia Bourgeault is an Episcopal Priest and has worked and studied and practiced with Thomas Keating and has also written several books related to Christian meditation. She also leads workshops and retreats. She has written a book on the non-dual Jesus, The Wisdom Jesus. If you look at the Philokalia you can trace the influence all the way back to Jesus, and then see that Jesus actually taught a spiritual practice which one could call Watching. Numerous times in the gospels Jesus admonished the disciples to watch. The Greek word used here is that of a Roman guard on night-watch. It means to be attentive to any slight sound, any slight movement, as a guard would be on watch for an enemy approach. Probably the most famous example is the night before the crucifixion, the disciples kept falling asleep. Jesus asked them, could you not watch with me for one hour? Anyway, this watching is discussed in the Philokalia, so you can make a jump back and see it was an oral tradition going back to Jesus himself. I'll try to give some examples later. And as the Catholic Church has the Rosary, the Eastern Orthodox Church has the Prayer Rope. So one can use the Prayer Rope as a focus of attention.
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 19:37:57 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to what 'psychological space' means to you, Enigma. I have more on my mind to say, but first wanna see what you think psychological space is. (See? I didn't block you!) Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW)What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. (It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting) Then how could you be saying that you don't see any correlation between Laughter's and my posts?
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 19:39:19 GMT -5
The lesson is, psychological space leads to failure. Something the military and every successful business knows well. At this point in this particular conversation, I don't think we're all on the same wave length as to exactly what this psychological space is referring to. Just curious.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 19:43:06 GMT -5
Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW)What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. (It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting) Then how could you be saying that you don't see any correlation between Laughter's and my posts? Sorry, I don't remember the posts I was addressing.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 19:52:36 GMT -5
Is there any branch of Christianity that offers meditation? -- the only instance I know of is the Catholic reservation of the practice for their clergy. True that prayer is meditation with the added elements of apology and plea (one or the other optional, of course), but in that road, lies all the difference. Between the dress code, the boatload of memes listed on the site and these rules: SCHOOL RULES AND STUDENT EXPECTATIONS STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT • Students must be in seats and ready to learn when the bell rings. • Tardy students must obtain a tardy slip from the office prior to proceeding to class. • Students must eat snack at recess and return to next class on time. No beverage or food is allowed in classrooms. • Students must go directly to the café at lunch break where after eating they may proceed to free time. • Students are not allowed in any room without adult supervision. • Students are expected to clean-up their garbage and aid in keeping the campus clean. • Students are required to have needed material with them in class (planners, pencils, etc.) • Students are required to adhere to the dress code. • Students are required to communicate in a respectful and courteous manner when addressing adults and fellow students. • Students are expected to complete and turn-in homework and classroom work on time. • Students are expected to listen and follow directions. DISCIPLINE POLICY A disruptive child in class will be given verbal warning. After reasonable warning the student will be separated from the classroom and asked to read quietly. After 5 minutes the student will be allowed to re-join the class. If disruptive behavior continues parents will be contacted by the Principal and/or a staff member and the student may be suspended or expelled. PLAYGROUND RULES While on the playground, students are expected to: 1. Play safely and use equipment wisely. 2. Be considerate of other’s games 3. Leave the playground as soon as the bell rings. 4. Follow monitor’s directions immediately. 5. Use appropriate language and behavior among each other. 6. Keep hands, feet and objects to themselves. TARDY AND ABSENCE POLICY When returning to school after an absence or after being tardy, a student must bring his/her excuse to the office to receive an admit slip. The student must bring the admit slip to teacher’s of the missed classes. ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND CELL PHONES No hand held gaming devices (game boy, ds, etc. ) , music devises or other electronic entertainment devises are allowed on campus. Cell phones must be turned off and stored away during school hours. SKATEBOARDS/ROLLER BLADES/SCOOTERS Skateboards/roller blades/scooters or similar devices are prohibited during school hours unless the administrator for a specific activity gives special permission. These devices are not allowed inside school buildings. Use of skateboards/roller blades/scooters on the school premises during non-school hours is at the user’s risk. ... seems to me that "psychological space" is just lip service to begin with, and as we'd expect of any school in the States there are minimum academic standards to be met so obviously the students have to show up for more than just meals. No, not as described. Father Thomas Keating going probably back to the 70's, by studying the mystical Christian tradition, developed a form of Christian meditation which he called Centering Prayer. There is a tradition that goes back many centuries of what's called the Jesus Prayer, AKA the Prayer of the Heart. JD Salinger actually wrote about it in some of his novels. He got it from a book by an anonymous Russian Orthodox writer of The Way of A Pilgrim, who discusses what he learned from The Philokalia, a collection of writings from the 4th to the 14th century, mostly coming out of Eastern Orthodox Monasticism. (four of five volumes have been translated into English, the 5th is still being translated). The full Jesus Prayer is, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me a sinner. In the book The Way of A Pilgrim, the main character has read in the Bible, pray without ceasing. He wonders if this is at all possible and begins to ask others on his way while traveling. He finds this one guy who tells him about the Philokalia and the Jesus Prayer, and tells him how to pray the Jesus Prayer. But one can shorten the prayer, even to Jesus have mercy on me. he learns that yes, it is possible to pray without ceasing. So Thomas Keating took all this and more and devised the Centering Prayer. He has written extensively on it and has led retreats for many years. It is sort of like TM. You can take one word and use it as a point of focus, for example, Jesus. But the point is not the word Jesus, the point is the focus of attention. If you realize mind has wandered off, you come back to saying Jesus, Jesus, maintaining focus, and as long as you have focus you don't have to repeat the word. Cynthia Bourgeault is an Episcopal Priest and has worked and studied and practiced with Thomas Keating and has also written several books related to Christian meditation. She also leads workshops and retreats. She has written a book on the non-dual Jesus, The Wisdom Jesus. If you look at the Philokalia you can trace the influence all the way back to Jesus, and then see that Jesus actually taught a spiritual practice which one could call Watching. Numerous times in the gospels Jesus admonished the disciples to watch. The Greek word used here is that of a Roman guard on night-watch. It means to be attentive to any slight sound, any slight movement, as a guard would be on watch for an enemy approach. Probably the most famous example is the night before the crucifixion, the disciples kept falling asleep. Jesus asked them, could you not watch with me for one hour? Anyway, this watching is discussed in the Philokalia, so you can make a jump back and see it was an oral tradition going back to Jesus himself. I'll try to give some examples later. And as the Catholic Church has the Rosary, the Eastern Orthodox Church has the Prayer Rope. So one can use the Prayer Rope as a focus of attention. The rosary thing could be used as a focus of attention I assume, but mainly I see it as just another way to hypnotically/robotically reinforce the church instilled beliefs about God, rather than as a way to meet God face to face, so to speak, like Niz, or ZD or Bernadatte Roberts and others have.
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 20:22:09 GMT -5
Then how could you be saying that you don't see any correlation between Laughter's and my posts? Sorry, I don't remember the posts I was addressing. That's okay.
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Post by laughter on Dec 7, 2014 20:22:41 GMT -5
The lesson is, psychological space leads to failure. Something the military and every successful business knows well. And failure leads to pressure. Nice self-reinforcing mutually creating dynamic. Aces!
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Post by laughter on Dec 7, 2014 20:24:41 GMT -5
Is there any branch of Christianity that offers meditation? -- the only instance I know of is the Catholic reservation of the practice for their clergy. True that prayer is meditation with the added elements of apology and plea (one or the other optional, of course), but in that road, lies all the difference. Between the dress code, the boatload of memes listed on the site and these rules: SCHOOL RULES AND STUDENT EXPECTATIONS STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT • Students must be in seats and ready to learn when the bell rings. • Tardy students must obtain a tardy slip from the office prior to proceeding to class. • Students must eat snack at recess and return to next class on time. No beverage or food is allowed in classrooms. • Students must go directly to the café at lunch break where after eating they may proceed to free time. • Students are not allowed in any room without adult supervision. • Students are expected to clean-up their garbage and aid in keeping the campus clean. • Students are required to have needed material with them in class (planners, pencils, etc.) • Students are required to adhere to the dress code. • Students are required to communicate in a respectful and courteous manner when addressing adults and fellow students. • Students are expected to complete and turn-in homework and classroom work on time. • Students are expected to listen and follow directions. DISCIPLINE POLICY A disruptive child in class will be given verbal warning. After reasonable warning the student will be separated from the classroom and asked to read quietly. After 5 minutes the student will be allowed to re-join the class. If disruptive behavior continues parents will be contacted by the Principal and/or a staff member and the student may be suspended or expelled. PLAYGROUND RULES While on the playground, students are expected to: 1. Play safely and use equipment wisely. 2. Be considerate of other’s games 3. Leave the playground as soon as the bell rings. 4. Follow monitor’s directions immediately. 5. Use appropriate language and behavior among each other. 6. Keep hands, feet and objects to themselves. TARDY AND ABSENCE POLICY When returning to school after an absence or after being tardy, a student must bring his/her excuse to the office to receive an admit slip. The student must bring the admit slip to teacher’s of the missed classes. ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND CELL PHONES No hand held gaming devices (game boy, ds, etc. ) , music devises or other electronic entertainment devises are allowed on campus. Cell phones must be turned off and stored away during school hours. SKATEBOARDS/ROLLER BLADES/SCOOTERS Skateboards/roller blades/scooters or similar devices are prohibited during school hours unless the administrator for a specific activity gives special permission. These devices are not allowed inside school buildings. Use of skateboards/roller blades/scooters on the school premises during non-school hours is at the user’s risk. ... seems to me that "psychological space" is just lip service to begin with, and as we'd expect of any school in the States there are minimum academic standards to be met so obviously the students have to show up for more than just meals. No, not as described. That's because I didn't describe the school as being like the ranch, except as far as the shared philosophical connection regarding innate interest and learning/education. (** shakes head sadly **)
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Post by laughter on Dec 7, 2014 20:27:47 GMT -5
Is there any branch of Christianity that offers meditation? -- the only instance I know of is the Catholic reservation of the practice for their clergy. True that prayer is meditation with the added elements of apology and plea (one or the other optional, of course), but in that road, lies all the difference. Between the dress code, the boatload of memes listed on the site and these rules: SCHOOL RULES AND STUDENT EXPECTATIONS STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT • Students must be in seats and ready to learn when the bell rings. • Tardy students must obtain a tardy slip from the office prior to proceeding to class. • Students must eat snack at recess and return to next class on time. No beverage or food is allowed in classrooms. • Students must go directly to the café at lunch break where after eating they may proceed to free time. • Students are not allowed in any room without adult supervision. • Students are expected to clean-up their garbage and aid in keeping the campus clean. • Students are required to have needed material with them in class (planners, pencils, etc.) • Students are required to adhere to the dress code. • Students are required to communicate in a respectful and courteous manner when addressing adults and fellow students. • Students are expected to complete and turn-in homework and classroom work on time. • Students are expected to listen and follow directions. DISCIPLINE POLICY A disruptive child in class will be given verbal warning. After reasonable warning the student will be separated from the classroom and asked to read quietly. After 5 minutes the student will be allowed to re-join the class. If disruptive behavior continues parents will be contacted by the Principal and/or a staff member and the student may be suspended or expelled. PLAYGROUND RULES While on the playground, students are expected to: 1. Play safely and use equipment wisely. 2. Be considerate of other’s games 3. Leave the playground as soon as the bell rings. 4. Follow monitor’s directions immediately. 5. Use appropriate language and behavior among each other. 6. Keep hands, feet and objects to themselves. TARDY AND ABSENCE POLICY When returning to school after an absence or after being tardy, a student must bring his/her excuse to the office to receive an admit slip. The student must bring the admit slip to teacher’s of the missed classes. ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND CELL PHONES No hand held gaming devices (game boy, ds, etc. ) , music devises or other electronic entertainment devises are allowed on campus. Cell phones must be turned off and stored away during school hours. SKATEBOARDS/ROLLER BLADES/SCOOTERS Skateboards/roller blades/scooters or similar devices are prohibited during school hours unless the administrator for a specific activity gives special permission. These devices are not allowed inside school buildings. Use of skateboards/roller blades/scooters on the school premises during non-school hours is at the user’s risk. ... seems to me that "psychological space" is just lip service to begin with, and as we'd expect of any school in the States there are minimum academic standards to be met so obviously the students have to show up for more than just meals. No, not as described. Father Thomas Keating going probably back to the 70's, by studying the mystical Christian tradition, developed a form of Christian meditation which he called Centering Prayer. There is a tradition that goes back many centuries of what's called the Jesus Prayer, AKA the Prayer of the Heart. JD Salinger actually wrote about it in some of his books. He got it from a book by an anonymous Russian Orthodox writer of The Way of A Pilgrim, who discusses what he learned from The Philokalia, a collection of writings from the 4th to the 14th century, mostly coming out of Eastern Orthodox Monasticism. (four of five volumes have been translated into English, the 5th is still being translated). The full Jesus Prayer is, Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me a sinner. In the book The Way of A Pilgrim, the main character has read in the Bible, pray without ceasing. He wonders if this is at all possible and begins to ask others on his way while traveling. He finds this one guy who tells him about the Philokalia and the Jesus Prayer, and tells him how to pray the Jesus Prayer. But one can shorten the prayer, even to Jesus have mercy on me. he learns that yes, it is possible to pray without ceasing. So Thomas Keating took all this and more and devised the Centering Prayer. He has written extensively on it and has led retreats for many years. It is sort of like TM. You can take one word and use it as a point of focus, for example, Jesus. But the point is not the word Jesus, the point is the focus of attention. If you realize mind has wandered off, you come back to saying Jesus, Jesus, maintaining focus, and as long as you have focus you don't have to repeat the word. Cynthia Bourgeault is an Episcopal Priest and has worked and studied and practiced with Thomas Keating and has also written several books related to Christian meditation. She also leads workshops and retreats. She has written a book on the non-dual Jesus, The Wisdom Jesus. If you look at the Philokalia you can trace the influence all the way back to Jesus, and then see that Jesus actually taught a spiritual practice which one could call Watching. Numerous times in the gospels Jesus admonished the disciples to watch. The Greek word used here is that of a Roman guard on night-watch. It means to be attentive to any slight sound, any slight movement, as a guard would be on watch for an enemy approach. Probably the most famous example is the night before the crucifixion, the disciples kept falling asleep. Jesus asked them, could you not watch with me for one hour? Anyway, this watching is discussed in the Philokalia, so you can make a jump back and see it was an oral tradition going back to Jesus himself. I'll try to give some examples later. And as the Catholic Church has the Rosary, the Eastern Orthodox Church has the Prayer Rope. So one can use the Prayer Rope as a focus of attention. The similarities between prayer and meditation are tight, yes, but they way that I understand them, there is an important distinction between the two.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 20:36:56 GMT -5
That's because I didn't describe the school as being like the ranch, except as far as the shared philosophical connection regarding innate interest and learning/education. (** shakes head sadly **)
The fact is I didn't make the comparison you suggest I made. If I had I'm pretty sure you would have posted it directly above this one.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 20:39:06 GMT -5
The lesson is, psychological space leads to failure. Something the military and every successful business knows well. And failure leads to pressure. Nice self-reinforcing mutually creating dynamic. Aces! Yeah, even the winding roads lead to Rome.
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Post by laughter on Dec 7, 2014 22:04:50 GMT -5
(** shakes head sadly **)
The fact is I didn't make the comparison you suggest I made. If I had I'm pretty sure you would have posted it directly above this one. Answered here. In summary, no, not a fact.
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