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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2014 17:15:28 GMT -5
Psychoanalysis is much more involved than pointing out misperceptions and apparent motives for those misperceptions. Yes, but both are equally disturbing to those who have not invited or welcomed the probing, or invasion of personal psychological space, however involved or un-involved. The main issue with human consciousness, as I see it, is that like any other seed, it is meant to have it's being and unfoldment from within, with only the minimum of external influences like teaching basic hygiene and manners, but as it is, almost from the start of existence in form, human consciousness has been pressured to conform to maximum outside pressure from the get go. The profession and marriage partner of some are decided at birth being one example. What to think, how to think, when to think it being another. One proof that this goes against the grain, so to speak, is that nobody likes being told what to do, and the instinct is to rebel against external pressures to conform. It is a source of deep resentment, and an innate sense of injustice, and the cause of much of the madness and rebellion in the world. And as a result peeps aren't themselves, but are instead are either the product of how others think they should be, or are the product of rebellion against the conditioning, but either way are still the product of conditioning, positively or negatively. What's needed here is less, not more pressure. Peeps need to be allowed freedom and space to be alone with themselves. To see what right for themselves. To decide for themselves. Pascal pointed to this when he said “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.” Now, folk need to hear/see the Truth, that is undeniable, but what they mainly need is a good example, and secondarily someone who loves them enough to tell/show them the truth, but also gives them the space and freedom to let that truth germinate and grow up within them, of its own accord, in its own way, in its own time. But none of this is to say that folk do not have a right to submit themselves freely to the disciplines/teachings of a guru/guide/way/path. They do. But it is to say that that choice is only real if it is freely made, and made without external pressure or coercion of any kind.
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2014 7:32:54 GMT -5
Psychoanalysis is much more involved than pointing out misperceptions and apparent motives for those misperceptions. Yes, but both are equally disturbing to those who have not invited or welcomed the probing, or invasion of personal psychological space, however involved or un-involved. The main issue with human consciousness, as I see it, is that like any other seed, it is meant to have it's being and unfoldment from within, with only the minimum of external influences like teaching basic hygiene and manners, but as it is, almost from the start of existence in form, human consciousness has been pressured to conform to maximum outside pressure from the get go. The profession and marriage partner of some are decided at birth being one example. What to think, how to think, when to think it being another. One proof that this goes against the grain, so to speak, is that nobody likes being told what to do, and the instinct is to rebel against external pressures to conform. It is a source of deep resentment, and an innate sense of injustice, and the cause of much of the madness and rebellion in the world. And as a result peeps aren't themselves, but are instead are either the product of how others think they should be, or are the product of rebellion against the conditioning, but either way are still the product of conditioning, positively or negatively. What's needed here is less, not more pressure. Peeps need to be allowed freedom and space to be alone with themselves. To see what right for themselves. To decide for themselves. Pascal pointed to this when he said " “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.” Now, folk need to hear/see the Truth, that is undeniable, but what they mainly need is a good example, and secondarily someone who loves them enough to tell/show them the truth, but also gives them the space and freedom to let that truth germinate and grow up within them, of its own accord, in its own way, in its own time. But none of this is to say that folk do not have a right to submit themselves freely to the disciplines/teachings of a guru/guide/way/path. They do. But it is to say that that choice is only real if it is freely made, and made without external pressure or coercion of any kind. Space and freedom aren't things that are gifts subject to largesse and this theory of minimal influence is based on the misconception of the nature of internal and external. In the context of an individual that perceives themselves as subject to external influence, that individual will either take personal responsibility for the external influences they subject themselves to, or not. It does , however, seem both reasonable and compassionate to discern when such an individual either has renounced, or seems due to circumstance unable, to shoulder that responsibility and proceed accordingly. Not only are they always freely available, but this notion that space and dignity are something that can be given, one to another, strikes me as characteristic of a pattern that naming would put the dialog outside the boundary of polite correspondence.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 6, 2014 10:31:11 GMT -5
Yes, but both are equally disturbing to those who have not invited or welcomed the probing, or invasion of personal psychological space, however involved or un-involved. The main issue with human consciousness, as I see it, is that like any other seed, it is meant to have it's being and unfoldment from within, with only the minimum of external influences like teaching basic hygiene and manners, but as it is, almost from the start of existence in form, human consciousness has been pressured to conform to maximum outside pressure from the get go. The profession and marriage partner of some are decided at birth being one example. What to think, how to think, when to think it being another. One proof that this goes against the grain, so to speak, is that nobody likes being told what to do, and the instinct is to rebel against external pressures to conform. It is a source of deep resentment, and an innate sense of injustice, and the cause of much of the madness and rebellion in the world. And as a result peeps aren't themselves, but are instead are either the product of how others think they should be, or are the product of rebellion against the conditioning, but either way are still the product of conditioning, positively or negatively. What's needed here is less, not more pressure. Peeps need to be allowed freedom and space to be alone with themselves. To see what right for themselves. To decide for themselves. Pascal pointed to this when he said " “All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.” Now, folk need to hear/see the Truth, that is undeniable, but what they mainly need is a good example, and secondarily someone who loves them enough to tell/show them the truth, but also gives them the space and freedom to let that truth germinate and grow up within them, of its own accord, in its own way, in its own time. But none of this is to say that folk do not have a right to submit themselves freely to the disciplines/teachings of a guru/guide/way/path. They do. But it is to say that that choice is only real if it is freely made, and made without external pressure or coercion of any kind. Space and freedom aren't things that are gifts subject to largesse and this theory of minimal influence is based on the misconception of the nature of internal and external. In the context of an individual that perceives themselves as subject to external influence, that individual will either take personal responsibility for the external influences they subject themselves to, or not. It does , however, seem both reasonable and compassionate to discern when such an individual either has renounced, or seems due to circumstance unable, to shoulder that responsibility and proceed accordingly. Not only are they always freely available, but this notion that space and dignity are something that can be given, one to another, strikes me as characteristic of a pattern that naming would put the dialog outside the boundary of polite correspondence. The lack of love in a relationship/family can be a stifling thing. It can bind and hinder a soul, especially in the younger ones who later grow up to be older souls still bound and hindered. A friend of mine recognised this years ago and made a place available for troubled youths, mis-fits, problem siblings, the rebellious ones, to come and chill awhile. On the property were boats and lakes, logging and milling operations, library with meditation materials among varied and traditional subjects, vineyards, orchards and gardens, commercial kitchen and food preparations, welding, auto repair, audio/visual operations, hunting and survival, and many, many other things. The newly arrived were shown where they would sleep and were advised the hours of mealtimes, then they were left completely to their own selves. No schedule, no orders, no instructions; an environment unlike many of them had previously experienced. So use to being told what to do, how to do it, when to do it or rebelling against being told what to do, most would flounder for a time at the utter freedom afforded them. Sooner or later boredom would arise and they, of their own accord, would seek out things to do, things that held a natural interest; fish were caught for supper, neighbors cars were repaired for cost, logs were turned into planks, buildings built or sold for income, eggs, fruits and veggies were collected and sold at local markets, enterprise was learned and a zest for life replaced apathy, lack of purpose and rebelliousness and changed the course of many a young soul. Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul.
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Post by silver on Dec 6, 2014 13:22:22 GMT -5
Space and freedom aren't things that are gifts subject to largesse and this theory of minimal influence is based on the misconception of the nature of internal and external. In the context of an individual that perceives themselves as subject to external influence, that individual will either take personal responsibility for the external influences they subject themselves to, or not. It does , however, seem both reasonable and compassionate to discern when such an individual either has renounced, or seems due to circumstance unable, to shoulder that responsibility and proceed accordingly. Not only are they always freely available, but this notion that space and dignity are something that can be given, one to another, strikes me as characteristic of a pattern that naming would put the dialog outside the boundary of polite correspondence. The lack of love in a relationship/family can be a stifling thing. It can bind and hinder a soul, especially in the younger ones who later grow up to be older souls still bound and hindered. A friend of mine recognised this years ago and made a place available for troubled youths, mis-fits, problem siblings, the rebellious ones, to come and chill awhile. On the property were boats and lakes, logging and milling operations, library with meditation materials among varied and traditional subjects, vineyards, orchards and gardens, commercial kitchen and food preparations, welding, auto repair, audio/visual operations, hunting and survival, and many, many other things. The newly arrived were shown where they would sleep and were advised the hours of mealtimes, then they were left completely to their own selves. No schedule, no orders, no instructions; an environment unlike many of them had previously experienced. So use to being told what to do, how to do it, when to do it or rebelling against being told what to do, most would flounder for a time at the utter freedom afforded them.
Sooner or later boredom would arise and they, of their own accord, would seek out things to do, things that held a natural interest; fish were caught for supper, neighbors cars were repaired for cost, logs were turned into planks, buildings built or sold for income, eggs, fruits and veggies were collected and sold at local markets, enterprise was learned and a zest for life replaced apathy, lack of purpose and rebelliousness and changed the course of many a young soul. Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul.Now, that sounds like what a 'normal' community IS. What a wonderful story, JLY. It makes me wonder how all our 'normal' communities got so warped. What a cool thing to be able to grow up in such freedom. I'm curious -- do you know if this is how the Father Flanagan's Boys Town operates as well?
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2014 14:42:21 GMT -5
Space and freedom aren't things that are gifts subject to largesse and this theory of minimal influence is based on the misconception of the nature of internal and external. In the context of an individual that perceives themselves as subject to external influence, that individual will either take personal responsibility for the external influences they subject themselves to, or not. It does , however, seem both reasonable and compassionate to discern when such an individual either has renounced, or seems due to circumstance unable, to shoulder that responsibility and proceed accordingly. Not only are they always freely available, but this notion that space and dignity are something that can be given, one to another, strikes me as characteristic of a pattern that naming would put the dialog outside the boundary of polite correspondence. The lack of love in a relationship/family can be a stifling thing. It can bind and hinder a soul, especially in the younger ones who later grow up to be older souls still bound and hindered. A friend of mine recognised this years ago and made a place available for troubled youths, mis-fits, problem siblings, the rebellious ones, to come and chill awhile. On the property were boats and lakes, logging and milling operations, library with meditation materials among varied and traditional subjects, vineyards, orchards and gardens, commercial kitchen and food preparations, welding, auto repair, audio/visual operations, hunting and survival, and many, many other things. The newly arrived were shown where they would sleep and were advised the hours of mealtimes, then they were left completely to their own selves. No schedule, no orders, no instructions; an environment unlike many of them had previously experienced. So use to being told what to do, how to do it, when to do it or rebelling against being told what to do, most would flounder for a time at the utter freedom afforded them. Sooner or later boredom would arise and they, of their own accord, would seek out things to do, things that held a natural interest; fish were caught for supper, neighbors cars were repaired for cost, logs were turned into planks, buildings built or sold for income, eggs, fruits and veggies were collected and sold at local markets, enterprise was learned and a zest for life replaced apathy, lack of purpose and rebelliousness and changed the course of many a young soul. Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. That's a very touching story, very emotionally moving. The world would be a very different place if every child had that experience available to them. But it's a complete change of subject. Children have needs and adults have responsibilities to meet those. What was left completely unresponded to was the notion of an individual taking responsibility for the external influences they expose themselves to. The context of the dialog up until that point was psychological space on a public internet forum. Paternalistic intervention in the life of a homeless teenager is both appropriate to the situation and completely inapplicable to the notion of extending compassion and taking responsibility with regard to an adult on a forum unable or unwilling to do so. The story is also an example of the killjoy phenomenon in that the likely emotional response to pointing up these distinctions is negative. This is what Reefs means by the "emotional carpet ride". I'd speculate that given the cultural biases of most people with an online interest in spirituality, that this forum is one of the few spaces where that idea can be freely expressed. Finally, no, psychological space, even in the case of a distressed teen, is not the gift of a man. Dignity isn't that of the friend mentioned for the giving, and the story itself actually sounds a bit too good to be true. If the school is as established as described, please link us to the website.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 6, 2014 14:54:26 GMT -5
The lack of love in a relationship/family can be a stifling thing. It can bind and hinder a soul, especially in the younger ones who later grow up to be older souls still bound and hindered. A friend of mine recognised this years ago and made a place available for troubled youths, mis-fits, problem siblings, the rebellious ones, to come and chill awhile. On the property were boats and lakes, logging and milling operations, library with meditation materials among varied and traditional subjects, vineyards, orchards and gardens, commercial kitchen and food preparations, welding, auto repair, audio/visual operations, hunting and survival, and many, many other things. The newly arrived were shown where they would sleep and were advised the hours of mealtimes, then they were left completely to their own selves. No schedule, no orders, no instructions; an environment unlike many of them had previously experienced. So use to being told what to do, how to do it, when to do it or rebelling against being told what to do, most would flounder for a time at the utter freedom afforded them. Sooner or later boredom would arise and they, of their own accord, would seek out things to do, things that held a natural interest; fish were caught for supper, neighbors cars were repaired for cost, logs were turned into planks, buildings built or sold for income, eggs, fruits and veggies were collected and sold at local markets, enterprise was learned and a zest for life replaced apathy, lack of purpose and rebelliousness and changed the course of many a young soul. Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. That's a very touching story, very emotionally moving. The world would be a very different place if every child had that experience available to them. But it's a complete change of subject. Children have needs and adults have responsibilities to meet those. What was left completely unresponded to was the notion of an individual taking responsibility for the external influences they expose themselves to. The context of the dialog up until that point was psychological space on a public internet forum. Paternalistic intervention in the life of a homeless teenager is both appropriate to the situation and completely inapplicable to the notion of extending compassion and taking responsibility with regard to an adult on a forum unable or unwilling to do so. The story is also an example of the killjoy phenomenon in that the likely emotional response to pointing up these distinctions is negative. This is what Reefs means by the "emotional carpet ride". I'd speculate that given the cultural biases of most people with an online interest in spirituality, that this forum is one of the few spaces where that idea can be freely expressed. Finally, no, psychological space, even in the case of a distressed teen, is not the gift of a man. Dignity isn't that of the friend mentioned for the giving, and the story itself actually sounds a bit too good to be true. If the school is as established as described, please link us to the website. Of course not. What is man but the Divine revealed or disguised? Brighton Academy
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Post by silver on Dec 6, 2014 15:09:57 GMT -5
The lack of love in a relationship/family can be a stifling thing. It can bind and hinder a soul, especially in the younger ones who later grow up to be older souls still bound and hindered. A friend of mine recognised this years ago and made a place available for troubled youths, mis-fits, problem siblings, the rebellious ones, to come and chill awhile. On the property were boats and lakes, logging and milling operations, library with meditation materials among varied and traditional subjects, vineyards, orchards and gardens, commercial kitchen and food preparations, welding, auto repair, audio/visual operations, hunting and survival, and many, many other things. The newly arrived were shown where they would sleep and were advised the hours of mealtimes, then they were left completely to their own selves. No schedule, no orders, no instructions; an environment unlike many of them had previously experienced. So use to being told what to do, how to do it, when to do it or rebelling against being told what to do, most would flounder for a time at the utter freedom afforded them. Sooner or later boredom would arise and they, of their own accord, would seek out things to do, things that held a natural interest; fish were caught for supper, neighbors cars were repaired for cost, logs were turned into planks, buildings built or sold for income, eggs, fruits and veggies were collected and sold at local markets, enterprise was learned and a zest for life replaced apathy, lack of purpose and rebelliousness and changed the course of many a young soul. Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. That's a very touching story, very emotionally moving. The world would be a very different place if every child had that experience available to them. But it's a complete change of subject. Children have needs and adults have responsibilities to meet those. What was left completely unresponded to was the notion of an individual taking responsibility for the external influences they expose themselves to. The context of the dialog up until that point was psychological space on a public internet forum. Paternalistic intervention in the life of a homeless teenager is both appropriate to the situation and completely inapplicable to the notion of extending compassion and taking responsibility with regard to an adult on a forum unable or unwilling to do so. The story is also an example of the killjoy phenomenon in that the likely emotional response to pointing up these distinctions is negative. This is what Reefs means by the "emotional carpet ride". I'd speculate that given the cultural biases of most people with an online interest in spirituality, that this forum is one of the few spaces where that idea can be freely expressed. Finally, no, psychological space, even in the case of a distressed teen, is not the gift of a man. Dignity isn't that of the friend mentioned for the giving, and the story itself actually sounds a bit too good to be true. If the school is as established as described, please link us to the website. Conversely, you can't reasonably expect curious minds to not engage in an exchange of ideas and queries, no matter how unenlightened you view them; after all, this is an internet open forum. Your expectations in that regard are unrealistic. Given that, if such interruptions are of such a bothersome or jarring nature to you, then a wide-open online forum is NOT the place for such discussions. Surely there are perfectly suited venues for it. Therefore, I have no choice but to gather that the ensuing interruptions and eruptions are highly desired and desirable for whatever reasons.
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2014 15:19:23 GMT -5
That's a very touching story, very emotionally moving. The world would be a very different place if every child had that experience available to them. But it's a complete change of subject. Children have needs and adults have responsibilities to meet those. What was left completely unresponded to was the notion of an individual taking responsibility for the external influences they expose themselves to. The context of the dialog up until that point was psychological space on a public internet forum. Paternalistic intervention in the life of a homeless teenager is both appropriate to the situation and completely inapplicable to the notion of extending compassion and taking responsibility with regard to an adult on a forum unable or unwilling to do so. The story is also an example of the killjoy phenomenon in that the likely emotional response to pointing up these distinctions is negative. This is what Reefs means by the "emotional carpet ride". I'd speculate that given the cultural biases of most people with an online interest in spirituality, that this forum is one of the few spaces where that idea can be freely expressed. Finally, no, psychological space, even in the case of a distressed teen, is not the gift of a man. Dignity isn't that of the friend mentioned for the giving, and the story itself actually sounds a bit too good to be true. If the school is as established as described, please link us to the website. Conversely, you can't reasonably expect curious minds to not engage in an exchange of ideas and queries, no matter how unenlightened you view them; after all, this is an internet open forum. Your expectations in that regard are unrealistic. Given that, if such interruptions are of such a bothersome or jarring nature to you, then a wide-open online forum is NOT the place for such discussions. Surely there are perfectly suited venues for it. Therefore, I have no choice but to gather that the ensuing interruptions and eruptions are highly desired and desirable for whatever reasons. The compassionate thing to do here is not respond but I'm no mood for that right now. These expectations that you reference are in your imagination only, and in this dialog I expressed no such opinion as "jarring" or "bothersome" about "interruptions".
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2014 17:26:26 GMT -5
That's a very touching story, very emotionally moving. The world would be a very different place if every child had that experience available to them. But it's a complete change of subject. Children have needs and adults have responsibilities to meet those. What was left completely unresponded to was the notion of an individual taking responsibility for the external influences they expose themselves to. The context of the dialog up until that point was psychological space on a public internet forum. Paternalistic intervention in the life of a homeless teenager is both appropriate to the situation and completely inapplicable to the notion of extending compassion and taking responsibility with regard to an adult on a forum unable or unwilling to do so. The story is also an example of the killjoy phenomenon in that the likely emotional response to pointing up these distinctions is negative. This is what Reefs means by the "emotional carpet ride". I'd speculate that given the cultural biases of most people with an online interest in spirituality, that this forum is one of the few spaces where that idea can be freely expressed. Finally, no, psychological space, even in the case of a distressed teen, is not the gift of a man. Dignity isn't that of the friend mentioned for the giving, and the story itself actually sounds a bit too good to be true. If the school is as established as described, please link us to the website. Of course not. What is man but the Divine revealed or disguised? Brighton AcademyWe can agree on that in principle if not expression but the school is not as described.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 6, 2014 18:34:28 GMT -5
Of course not. What is man but the Divine revealed or disguised? Brighton Academy We can agree on that in principle if not expression but the school is not as described. The original setting and the school are two different animals, one having grown directly out of the other, lessons learns and missions changed. There is however no deviation from the basic principles of freedom and space to unfold and flower I outlined about the first place in the second place.
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Dec 6, 2014 19:30:54 GMT -5
We can agree on that in principle if not expression but the school is not as described. The original setting and the school are two different animals, one having grown directly out of the other, lessons learns and missions changed. There is however no deviation from the basic principles of freedom and space to unfold and flower I outlined about the first place in the second place. It sounds a little like Summerhill.........a fascinating book....school....
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Post by enigma on Dec 6, 2014 23:40:16 GMT -5
Space and freedom aren't things that are gifts subject to largesse and this theory of minimal influence is based on the misconception of the nature of internal and external. In the context of an individual that perceives themselves as subject to external influence, that individual will either take personal responsibility for the external influences they subject themselves to, or not. It does , however, seem both reasonable and compassionate to discern when such an individual either has renounced, or seems due to circumstance unable, to shoulder that responsibility and proceed accordingly. Not only are they always freely available, but this notion that space and dignity are something that can be given, one to another, strikes me as characteristic of a pattern that naming would put the dialog outside the boundary of polite correspondence. The lack of love in a relationship/family can be a stifling thing. It can bind and hinder a soul, especially in the younger ones who later grow up to be older souls still bound and hindered. A friend of mine recognised this years ago and made a place available for troubled youths, mis-fits, problem siblings, the rebellious ones, to come and chill awhile. On the property were boats and lakes, logging and milling operations, library with meditation materials among varied and traditional subjects, vineyards, orchards and gardens, commercial kitchen and food preparations, welding, auto repair, audio/visual operations, hunting and survival, and many, many other things. The newly arrived were shown where they would sleep and were advised the hours of mealtimes, then they were left completely to their own selves. No schedule, no orders, no instructions; an environment unlike many of them had previously experienced. So use to being told what to do, how to do it, when to do it or rebelling against being told what to do, most would flounder for a time at the utter freedom afforded them. Sooner or later boredom would arise and they, of their own accord, would seek out things to do, things that held a natural interest; fish were caught for supper, neighbors cars were repaired for cost, logs were turned into planks, buildings built or sold for income, eggs, fruits and veggies were collected and sold at local markets, enterprise was learned and a zest for life replaced apathy, lack of purpose and rebelliousness and changed the course of many a young soul. Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. Sounds purdy cool.
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Post by enigma on Dec 6, 2014 23:54:30 GMT -5
That's a very touching story, very emotionally moving. The world would be a very different place if every child had that experience available to them. But it's a complete change of subject. Children have needs and adults have responsibilities to meet those. What was left completely unresponded to was the notion of an individual taking responsibility for the external influences they expose themselves to. The context of the dialog up until that point was psychological space on a public internet forum. Paternalistic intervention in the life of a homeless teenager is both appropriate to the situation and completely inapplicable to the notion of extending compassion and taking responsibility with regard to an adult on a forum unable or unwilling to do so. The story is also an example of the killjoy phenomenon in that the likely emotional response to pointing up these distinctions is negative. This is what Reefs means by the "emotional carpet ride". I'd speculate that given the cultural biases of most people with an online interest in spirituality, that this forum is one of the few spaces where that idea can be freely expressed. Finally, no, psychological space, even in the case of a distressed teen, is not the gift of a man. Dignity isn't that of the friend mentioned for the giving, and the story itself actually sounds a bit too good to be true. If the school is as established as described, please link us to the website. Of course not. What is man but the Divine revealed or disguised? Brighton AcademyThat sounds like my Catholic grade school. 'Psychological space' doesn't seem to be on the agenda at all.
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Post by enigma on Dec 6, 2014 23:58:28 GMT -5
Conversely, you can't reasonably expect curious minds to not engage in an exchange of ideas and queries, no matter how unenlightened you view them; after all, this is an internet open forum. Your expectations in that regard are unrealistic. Given that, if such interruptions are of such a bothersome or jarring nature to you, then a wide-open online forum is NOT the place for such discussions. Surely there are perfectly suited venues for it. Therefore, I have no choice but to gather that the ensuing interruptions and eruptions are highly desired and desirable for whatever reasons. The compassionate thing to do here is not respond but I'm no mood for that right now. These expectations that you reference are in your imagination only, and in this dialog I expressed no such opinion as "jarring" or "bothersome" about "interruptions". I couldn't find any connection between your post and hers.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 0:01:16 GMT -5
We can agree on that in principle if not expression but the school is not as described. The original setting and the school are two different animals, one having grown directly out of the other, lessons learns and missions changed. There is however no deviation from the basic principles of freedom and space to unfold and flower I outlined about the first place in the second place. It seems that what they learned from the original 'psychological space' design was that some strict disciplinary rules were required.
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