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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 8:11:29 GMT -5
Of course not. What is man but the Divine revealed or disguised? Brighton AcademyThat sounds like my Catholic grade school. 'Psychological space' doesn't seem to be on the agenda at all. Catholic schooling? I'll have nun of that . I was about 14 when I tested the theory that only the Priest could stand behind the altar and mere mortals venturing onto holy ground would disintegrate instantly. When God didn't strike me dead, I realized that it was all a big lie and left the church forever. In terms of Brighton, space and freedom at the school is best represented by the idea that the child's natural interests are paramount in his/her education. The curriculum is built to his/her innate interests and talents rather than the other way around. But they are in Oregon, next time you are passing through Grants Pass, stop by and see for yourself what's what.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 12:06:03 GMT -5
That sounds like my Catholic grade school. 'Psychological space' doesn't seem to be on the agenda at all. Catholic schooling? I'll have nun of that . I was about 14 when I tested the theory that only the Priest could stand behind the altar and mere mortals venturing onto holy ground would disintegrate instantly. When God didn't strike me dead, I realized that it was all a big lie and left the church forever. In terms of Brighton, space and freedom at the school is best represented by the idea that the child's natural interests are paramount in his/her education. The curriculum is built to his/her innate interests and talents rather than the other way around. But they are in Oregon, next time you are passing through Grants Pass, stop by and see for yourself what's what. That part sounds good. It's not, however, psychological space. I specifically checked out the student rules and expectations for the students. It seems those expectations even extend to the parents. I don't have an issue with any of that, but it's interesting that a school that started out creating an environment of maximum psychological space (and it was that which you pointed to as the effective catalyst) ultimately decided to eliminate psychological space all together.
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 13:33:09 GMT -5
Catholic schooling? I'll have nun of that . I was about 14 when I tested the theory that only the Priest could stand behind the altar and mere mortals venturing onto holy ground would disintegrate instantly. When God didn't strike me dead, I realized that it was all a big lie and left the church forever. In terms of Brighton, space and freedom at the school is best represented by the idea that the child's natural interests are paramount in his/her education. The curriculum is built to his/her innate interests and talents rather than the other way around. But they are in Oregon, next time you are passing through Grants Pass, stop by and see for yourself what's what. That part sounds good. It's not, however, psychological space. I specifically checked out the student rules and expectations for the students. It seems those expectations even extend to the parents. I don't have an issue with any of that, but it's interesting that a school that started out creating an environment of maximum psychological space (and it was that which you pointed to as the effective catalyst) ultimately decided to eliminate psychological space all together. I'm just curious as to what 'psychological space' means to you, Enigma. I have more on my mind to say, but first wanna see what you think psychological space is. (See? I didn't block you!)
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 13:37:56 GMT -5
Catholic schooling? I'll have nun of that . I was about 14 when I tested the theory that only the Priest could stand behind the altar and mere mortals venturing onto holy ground would disintegrate instantly. When God didn't strike me dead, I realized that it was all a big lie and left the church forever. In terms of Brighton, space and freedom at the school is best represented by the idea that the child's natural interests are paramount in his/her education. The curriculum is built to his/her innate interests and talents rather than the other way around. But they are in Oregon, next time you are passing through Grants Pass, stop by and see for yourself what's what. That part sounds good. It's not, however, psychological space. I specifically checked out the student rules and expectations for the students. It seems those expectations even extend to the parents. I don't have an issue with any of that, but it's interesting that a school that started out creating an environment of maximum psychological space (and it was that which you pointed to as the effective catalyst) ultimately decided to eliminate psychological space all together. No, the first place was NOT a school at all. It was a ranch setting in Selma, OR. Just a place for those who needed to chill and relax, a temporary respite from whatever, that also offered optional activities and learning experiences for those who had an honest interest in participating. No pressure, no obligation. Brighton is a different animal, it is a school, and has to accommodate state and federal educational rules and regs. But the basic idea of fostering natural interests as a tool for learning came from the original setup. That was the point I was trying to get across in bringing up the school.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 16:54:54 GMT -5
That part sounds good. It's not, however, psychological space. I specifically checked out the student rules and expectations for the students. It seems those expectations even extend to the parents. I don't have an issue with any of that, but it's interesting that a school that started out creating an environment of maximum psychological space (and it was that which you pointed to as the effective catalyst) ultimately decided to eliminate psychological space all together. I'm just curious as to what 'psychological space' means to you, Enigma. I have more on my mind to say, but first wanna see what you think psychological space is. (See? I didn't block you!) Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW) What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. (It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting)
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 17:01:50 GMT -5
That part sounds good. It's not, however, psychological space. I specifically checked out the student rules and expectations for the students. It seems those expectations even extend to the parents. I don't have an issue with any of that, but it's interesting that a school that started out creating an environment of maximum psychological space (and it was that which you pointed to as the effective catalyst) ultimately decided to eliminate psychological space all together. No, the first place was NOT a school at all. It was a ranch setting in Selma, OR. Just a place for those who needed to chill and relax, a temporary respite from whatever, that also offered optional activities and learning experiences for those who had an honest interest in participating. No pressure, no obligation. Brighton is a different animal, it is a school, and has to accommodate state and federal educational rules and regs. But the basic idea of fostering natural interests as a tool for learning came from the original setup. That was the point I was trying to get across in bringing up the school. No, the point you were trying to get across was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space', and that's something the ranch-turned-school abandoned. Maybe psychological space wasn't particularly effective in the long run.
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 17:06:48 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to what 'psychological space' means to you, Enigma. I have more on my mind to say, but first wanna see what you think psychological space is. (See? I didn't block you!) Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW) What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. (It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting) It is interesting thing to ponder.......I think it's fairly easy to see, that once these kids were planted in a reasonably safe place in which to grow, the place itself was able to grow in a relatively unhampered and organic way, so when more boys found themselves there, we all know that the bigger the house/community needs some regulating, and just as I view online forums, etc., they don't regulate themselves. Those in positions of authority have to exert a certain amount of control and if done artfully and with reasonable powers of discernment, the home or camp or forum will flourish.
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Post by silver on Dec 7, 2014 17:07:56 GMT -5
No, the first place was NOT a school at all. It was a ranch setting in Selma, OR. Just a place for those who needed to chill and relax, a temporary respite from whatever, that also offered optional activities and learning experiences for those who had an honest interest in participating. No pressure, no obligation. Brighton is a different animal, it is a school, and has to accommodate state and federal educational rules and regs. But the basic idea of fostering natural interests as a tool for learning came from the original setup. That was the point I was trying to get across in bringing up the school. No, the point you were trying to get across was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space', and that's something the ranch-turned-school abandoned. Maybe psychological space wasn't particularly effective in the long run. Perhaps a better phrase JLY could've used would be 'safe place' or something like that.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 17:11:08 GMT -5
No, the first place was NOT a school at all. It was a ranch setting in Selma, OR. Just a place for those who needed to chill and relax, a temporary respite from whatever, that also offered optional activities and learning experiences for those who had an honest interest in participating. No pressure, no obligation. Brighton is a different animal, it is a school, and has to accommodate state and federal educational rules and regs. But the basic idea of fostering natural interests as a tool for learning came from the original setup. That was the point I was trying to get across in bringing up the school. No, the point you were trying to get across was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space', and that's something the ranch-turned-school abandoned. Maybe psychological space wasn't particularly effective in the long run. No, after talking about the ranch the only thing I said about the school was: "Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/user/1057/recent#ixzz3LFiQTbCk
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 17:43:54 GMT -5
Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW) What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. (It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting) It is interesting thing to ponder.......I think it's fairly easy to see, that once these kids were planted in a reasonably safe place in which to grow, the place itself was able to grow in a relatively unhampered and organic way, so when more boys found themselves there, we all know that the bigger the house/community needs some regulating, and just as I view online forums, etc., they don't regulate themselves. Those in positions of authority have to exert a certain amount of control and if done artfully and with reasonable powers of discernment, the home or camp or forum will flourish. Well, it turned into a school. A new charter with different kinds of kids, more of them, and higher tuition. The idea of allowing the child the opportunity to explore his own interests is what seems to remain of the original charter, and it's done in a strictly disciplined environment.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 17:47:42 GMT -5
No, the point you were trying to get across was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space', and that's something the ranch-turned-school abandoned. Maybe psychological space wasn't particularly effective in the long run. Perhaps a better phrase JLY could've used would be 'safe place' or something like that. You are always safe in my heart, Silver, you just don't know it.
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Post by enigma on Dec 7, 2014 17:49:50 GMT -5
No, the point you were trying to get across was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space', and that's something the ranch-turned-school abandoned. Maybe psychological space wasn't particularly effective in the long run. No, after talking about the ranch the only thing I said about the school was: "Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/user/1057/recent#ixzz3LFiQTbCkThe point you were trying to make with the ranch story was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space'.
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 7, 2014 17:56:05 GMT -5
No, after talking about the ranch the only thing I said about the school was: "Eventually a school was formed and is still in operation today where, instead of common core-like and other standardized curriculum, the student is exposed to a wide variety of subject orientated activities, artistic, mechanical, literary, scientific etc, and once their natural interests are clearly discerned, a specialized curriculum is developed around that child and his natural interests. This is a well recognised school that has graduated the children of celebrities. And it all started with the idea to give space and freedom to the flowering and unfolding of the individual soul. Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/user/1057/recent#ixzz3LFiQTbCkThe point you were trying to make with the ranch story was about the effectiveness of providing 'psychological space'. Yes, about the ranch. The school was an after thought about an important connection between innate interest and effective education.
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Post by laughter on Dec 7, 2014 18:25:18 GMT -5
We can agree on that in principle if not expression but the school is not as described. The original setting and the school are two different animals, one having grown directly out of the other, lessons learns and missions changed. There is however no deviation from the basic principles of freedom and space to unfold and flower I outlined about the first place in the second place. Is there any branch of Christianity that offers meditation? -- the only instance I know of is the Catholic reservation of the practice for their clergy. True that prayer is meditation with the added elements of apology and plea (one or the other optional, of course), but in that road, lies all the difference. Between the dress code, the boatload of memes listed on the site and these rules: SCHOOL RULES AND STUDENT EXPECTATIONS STUDENT CODE OF CONDUCT • Students must be in seats and ready to learn when the bell rings. • Tardy students must obtain a tardy slip from the office prior to proceeding to class. • Students must eat snack at recess and return to next class on time. No beverage or food is allowed in classrooms. • Students must go directly to the café at lunch break where after eating they may proceed to free time. • Students are not allowed in any room without adult supervision. • Students are expected to clean-up their garbage and aid in keeping the campus clean. • Students are required to have needed material with them in class (planners, pencils, etc.) • Students are required to adhere to the dress code. • Students are required to communicate in a respectful and courteous manner when addressing adults and fellow students. • Students are expected to complete and turn-in homework and classroom work on time. • Students are expected to listen and follow directions. DISCIPLINE POLICY A disruptive child in class will be given verbal warning. After reasonable warning the student will be separated from the classroom and asked to read quietly. After 5 minutes the student will be allowed to re-join the class. If disruptive behavior continues parents will be contacted by the Principal and/or a staff member and the student may be suspended or expelled. PLAYGROUND RULES While on the playground, students are expected to: 1. Play safely and use equipment wisely. 2. Be considerate of other’s games 3. Leave the playground as soon as the bell rings. 4. Follow monitor’s directions immediately. 5. Use appropriate language and behavior among each other. 6. Keep hands, feet and objects to themselves. TARDY AND ABSENCE POLICY When returning to school after an absence or after being tardy, a student must bring his/her excuse to the office to receive an admit slip. The student must bring the admit slip to teacher’s of the missed classes. ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND CELL PHONES No hand held gaming devices (game boy, ds, etc. ) , music devises or other electronic entertainment devises are allowed on campus. Cell phones must be turned off and stored away during school hours. SKATEBOARDS/ROLLER BLADES/SCOOTERS Skateboards/roller blades/scooters or similar devices are prohibited during school hours unless the administrator for a specific activity gives special permission. These devices are not allowed inside school buildings. Use of skateboards/roller blades/scooters on the school premises during non-school hours is at the user’s risk. ... seems to me that "psychological space" is just lip service to begin with, and as we'd expect of any school in the States there are minimum academic standards to be met so obviously the students have to show up for more than just meals. No, not as described.
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Post by laughter on Dec 7, 2014 18:27:40 GMT -5
I'm just curious as to what 'psychological space' means to you, Enigma. I have more on my mind to say, but first wanna see what you think psychological space is. (See? I didn't block you!) Well, JLY talked about it as not intruding, controlling or imposing on one's psychological 'space', but rather allowing one to become involved in the group in their own way in their own time and on pretty much their own terms. He was using that as a counter argument to what he sees as psychological intrusion here on the forum. (I don't entirely disagree with that characterization, BTW) What I find interesting is how that particular school evolved over time, assuming JLY's profile of their humble beginnings is accurate. It seems they allowed this freedom in order to encourage individual expression in hopefully productive ways that are suited to the individual, and it seems they still want to do that, but while imposing a dress code and what appear to be fairly strict rules of behavior. ( It's not really a mystery why that happened, it's just kinda interesting)
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