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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2014 9:14:31 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone.
So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'.
Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!".
I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done.
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Post by Reefs on Jan 19, 2014 10:19:30 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!".I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. Mind = brain / brain = mind?
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Post by Ishtahota on Jan 19, 2014 10:58:59 GMT -5
The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff.
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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2014 11:04:16 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!".I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. Mind = brain / brain = mind? ooh - maybe I have a misconception? What does 'mind' mean to you?
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Post by silver on Jan 19, 2014 11:05:06 GMT -5
The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. The mind/brain has forever fascinated me, but I don't understand what you're saying here - precisely. First question I have is do you mean when you say "The Grand Marrage" -- is that supposed to be the grand marriage or the grand mirage? Maybe your spelling is off, so I don't know what "Marrage" is. My instincts say that ego is iffy at best -- it's a word that doesn't explain a whole lot for me personally -- I just want to understand what you're saying in a deeper way, is all. Thanks for your patience.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 19, 2014 11:27:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. There's the inconsistency, setting the intention that the forum cater to a specific belief, while advocating 'oneness'.. having to 'know this stuff', sets up the us/them dynamic.. Be well..
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Post by Ishtahota on Jan 19, 2014 11:27:18 GMT -5
There is another non-duality teacher out there that is pretty well known and that is Jerry Katz, but and this is a big buttttt. His work sees all of this from a strictly intilectual point of view. He thinks one should build up their ego. And he has no understanding of spirit stuff and how it plays out in teaching us about our true nature. The school of training that I come from has us useing ceremony and ritual a lot, along with meditation. Ceremony is the language of the sub-conscious and the higher self. That part of us does not know the difference between a symbolic act and a real act. Native teachers use ceremony because all of the knowledge that is or ever was, is already in us. The really good teachers do not give you the answers that you seek. They show you how to access this knowledge for yourself. Teachers and books and schools are fine up to a point, but there is this third part that puts all of the peaces togeather and helps us make perfect sense out of what we have been taught. Ceremony, rictual, and meditation give us access to our spiritual side, higher-self, God and/or what ever you wish to call it. The epiphany, realization, deep understanding and/or part of the grand puzzle that puts all of the peices togeather for you can only come from this spiritual side of ourselves.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jan 19, 2014 11:28:36 GMT -5
MARRIAGE
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Post by silence on Jan 19, 2014 11:58:03 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!". I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. While I find ACIM as a whole to be convoluted, I came across this quote a while ago and perhaps it might speak to what you wish to understand. "Truth does not fight against illusions, nor do illusions fight against the truth. Illusions battle only with themselves. Being fragmented, they fragment. But truth is indivisible, and far beyond their little reach. You will remember what you know when you have learned you cannot be in conflict. One illusion about yourself can battle with another, yet the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory. And truth stands radiant, apart from conflict, untouched and quiet in the peace of God."
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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2014 12:28:05 GMT -5
The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. In your first paragraph, the way I understand it, you're saying that the duality of mind is contained within non-duality. You can correct me there if I misunderstood. That would be basic, yes. But then you go on to say, "end our inner conflict". This is what I'm questioning. How would it ever end? To have a human mind is to inherently have conflict between those competing desires, eh? Whether or not I should 'know this stuff' is irrelevant to questioning it.
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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2014 12:35:41 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!". I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. While I find ACIM as a whole to be convoluted, I came across this quote a while ago and perhaps it might speak to what you wish to understand. "Truth does not fight against illusions, nor do illusions fight against the truth. Illusions battle only with themselves. Being fragmented, they fragment. But truth is indivisible, and far beyond their little reach. You will remember what you know when you have learned you cannot be in conflict. One illusion about yourself can battle with another, yet the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory. And truth stands radiant, apart from conflict, untouched and quiet in the peace of God." "Illusions only battle with themselves." Yeah, that was right on the money. Thanks, Silence.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jan 19, 2014 13:41:53 GMT -5
The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. In your first paragraph, the way I understand it, you're saying that the duality of mind is contained within non-duality. You can correct me there if I misunderstood. That would be basic, yes. But then you go on to say, "end our inner conflict". This is what I'm questioning. How would it ever end? To have a human mind is to inherently have conflict between those competing desires, eh? Whether or not I should 'know this stuff' is irrelevant to questioning it. Think of duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness like main opperating formates on a computer. Two different ways of seeing and enteracting with the world around us, two different ways to think and/or process information coming at us from the world around us. Desires are tricky, lets just say that the ego uses desires to keep us under it's control. It is easy to get out from under the control of ones desires, but first you have to see through the illusions that the ego holds up before us. I want expanded awareness and higher consciousness, and my ego may give me drugs, alcohol, and/or earthly knowledge, which in most cases is just a temparay shortcut, or an illusion that wares off faster and faster, and leaves me wanting more and more. I want to feel whole on the inside and compleate, so my ego gives me a soulmate and/or lust, just another poor reflection of what it is that I really want and need so that I can be truely complete. What am I looking for? I am looking for me, that which my elders call authentic self, that which I was created to be. All desires are just poor reflections of what could truly satisfy us and make us whole and complete.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jan 19, 2014 13:51:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. There's the inconsistency, setting the intention that the forum cater to a specific belief, while advocating 'oneness'.. having to 'know this stuff', sets up the us/them dynamic.. Be well.. Nothing says " I am trapped in duality consciousness " more than useing the ying and yang symbol.
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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2014 14:09:39 GMT -5
Think of duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness like main opperating formates on a computer. Two different ways of seeing and enteracting with the world around us, two different ways to think and/or process information coming at us from the world around us. Desires are tricky, lets just say that the ego uses desires to keep us under it's control. It is easy to get out from under the control of ones desires, but first you have to see through the illusions that the ego holds up before us. I want expanded awareness and higher consciousness, and my ego may give me drugs, alcohol, and/or earthly knowledge, which in most cases is just a temparay shortcut, or an illusion that wares off faster and faster, and leaves me wanting more and more. I want to feel whole on the inside and compleate, so my ego gives me a soulmate and/or lust, just another poor reflection of what it is that I really want and need so that I can be truely complete. What am I looking for? I am looking for me, that which my elders call authentic self, that which I was created to be. All desires are just poor reflections of what could truly satisfy us and make us whole and complete. Interesting take on desires. Basically what you're saying is that there is really only one true desire (the rest being poor reflections of it) and that is...wholeness. So how do you reconcile that to non-duality, which basically says we're already whole and complete and just don't realize it? Why would there be a desire for wholeness... Oh, wait. I just answered myself. The desire itself is a delusion. It's busy work for the ego. Ha!
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Post by Ishtahota on Jan 19, 2014 14:35:51 GMT -5
Think of duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness like main opperating formates on a computer. Two different ways of seeing and enteracting with the world around us, two different ways to think and/or process information coming at us from the world around us. Desires are tricky, lets just say that the ego uses desires to keep us under it's control. It is easy to get out from under the control of ones desires, but first you have to see through the illusions that the ego holds up before us. I want expanded awareness and higher consciousness, and my ego may give me drugs, alcohol, and/or earthly knowledge, which in most cases is just a temparay shortcut, or an illusion that wares off faster and faster, and leaves me wanting more and more. I want to feel whole on the inside and compleate, so my ego gives me a soulmate and/or lust, just another poor reflection of what it is that I really want and need so that I can be truely complete. What am I looking for? I am looking for me, that which my elders call authentic self, that which I was created to be. All desires are just poor reflections of what could truly satisfy us and make us whole and complete. Interesting take on desires. Basically what you're saying is that there is really only one true desire (the rest being poor reflections of it) and that is...wholeness. So how do you reconcile that to non-duality, which basically says we're already whole and complete and just don't realize it? Why would there be a desire for wholeness... Oh, wait. I just answered myself. The desire itself is a delusion. It's busy work for the ego. Ha! Once you do enough personal work to see desire for what they really are, you no longer have them. This world is a school and my job here is to learn to see through all of these illusions and to through off the chains of other things in this world that want to confuse and control me. My own ego is my untimate enslaver. It is hard to follow your heart when your fears stand in the way. It is one thing to say that this is all an illusion and that you are already whole and complete, it is another thing to actually live it.
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