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Post by laughter on Jan 19, 2014 14:46:24 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!". I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. I actually take it to mean something even deeper than that. Even the posture of the witness, which involves dispassionate observation of what arises, is an expression of the appearance of split mind, and it is only ever an appearance, and as you say, is only human, only natural.
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Post by enigma on Jan 19, 2014 20:01:36 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!". I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. The physical split of right and left brain are not inherently in conflict, but rather compliment one another when functioning properly. There is a rational, logical, practical, analytical side, and an imaginative, creative, passionate, feeling side. If they step on each other's toes on the way to a choice, it's not those essential aspects of humanity that are responsible, nor the split in the brain. They are to be fully integrated, which does not result in conflict. Integrity, sincerity, self honesty. If these are present, there will be ONE clear choice. From the cover of 'Satang Poetry': Mind without heart is sterile. Heart without mind is sentimental. The pearl diver takes all to the depths, His courage and his wits, His wonder and his wisdom. One eye for beauty, And the other for clarity.
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Post by enigma on Jan 19, 2014 20:05:09 GMT -5
The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. Nicely said.
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Post by enigma on Jan 19, 2014 20:17:37 GMT -5
The Grand Marrage of the Mystics deals with the split mind. The conscious mind and the sub-conscious mind. Some say the male and the female side. Others even say the so called awake everyday part of us and our dreaming side. How did the Christian's teacher Jesus say it? Where two or more come together in the same house there I am also. This is what duality consciousness and non-duality consciousness is really all about. Doing the personal clearing work to end our inner conflict is the path of the ancient mystics. The left and the right brain are not us. It is just an interface like we might find in a computer system. The reptilian brain is just that part of us that keeps the body alive. And a lot of people give other functions and personal power to the reptilian brain that it should never have. It is our ego, it is the devil that Jesus was tempted by while praying for four days and nights up on the mountain. The Ancient Mystics ask the question, "who serves who". Do I serve my ego or does it serve me. We can train our ego to react to our world without any thought. That is what a martial artist does with years of training. Churches, schools, families, governments and so on train us from birth, to do the same thing, react without any thought. If you are in a non-duality forum you have to know this stuff. In your first paragraph, the way I understand it, you're saying that the duality of mind is contained within non-duality. You can correct me there if I misunderstood. That would be basic, yes. But then you go on to say, "end our inner conflict". This is what I'm questioning. How would it ever end? To have a human mind is to inherently have conflict between those competing desires, eh?Whether or not I should 'know this stuff' is irrelevant to questioning it. Not so. It makes no sense to form conflicting desires in the same mind. This is childish fantasy, isn't it?
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Post by quinn on Jan 19, 2014 20:36:35 GMT -5
In your first paragraph, the way I understand it, you're saying that the duality of mind is contained within non-duality. You can correct me there if I misunderstood. That would be basic, yes. But then you go on to say, "end our inner conflict". This is what I'm questioning. How would it ever end? To have a human mind is to inherently have conflict between those competing desires, eh?Whether or not I should 'know this stuff' is irrelevant to questioning it. Not so. It makes no sense to form conflicting desires in the same mind. This is childish fantasy, isn't it? I wouldn't call it childish, but yes - fantasy. I see the 'mechanism' now.
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Post by enigma on Jan 19, 2014 22:49:21 GMT -5
Not so. It makes no sense to form conflicting desires in the same mind. This is childish fantasy, isn't it? I wouldn't call it childish, but yes - fantasy. I see the 'mechanism' now. I'm okey dokey with that. I say childish because it seems childish to want two contradictory things that one can't possibly have. We're all just big kids. Hehe.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 20, 2014 13:24:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it childish, but yes - fantasy. I see the 'mechanism' now. I'm okey dokey with that. I say childish because it seems childish to want two contradictory things that one can't possibly have. We're all just big kids. Hehe. ARE NOT!!
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Post by silence on Jan 21, 2014 18:16:02 GMT -5
To have a human mind is to inherently have conflict between those competing desires, eh? There can be an end to it but you have to actually want the conflict to end. An unequivocal certainty that you don't want to suffer anymore.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 22, 2014 6:12:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. There's the inconsistency, setting the intention that the forum cater to a specific belief, while advocating 'oneness'.. having to 'know this stuff', sets up the us/them dynamic.. Be well.. Nothing says " I am trapped in duality consciousness " more than useing the ying and yang symbol. The 'symbol' is 'whole', you're limiting your awareness to what you want to believe.. you see the 'parts' without realizing they make-up the 'whole', and judge others by your own limitations.. the symbol is both 'parts' and 'whole' at the same time, it is the observer that chooses what is seen/experienced.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 10:13:07 GMT -5
I've got a question. It's probably mainly aimed at Enigma, cause he is the main user of the 'split mind' phrase, but the question's for anyone. So basically, the way I understand split mind is another way of saying confusion. But a particular kind - a sort of war going on in the mind of 'I want this, but go after that'. Or 'my intention is this, but my actions say otherwise'. Seems to me, this is just part of the human package and doesn't really mean anything. We actually do have a split mind; right and left neo-cortex with different capabilities, reptilian brain and limbic. Survival instinct's going to say "Be careful!" while some other part's saying "Surrender!". I'm not sure how noticing this plays into spirituality, if it does. Or when and if anything is to be done about it. Or can be done. While I find ACIM as a whole to be convoluted, I came across this quote a while ago and perhaps it might speak to what you wish to understand. "Truth does not fight against illusions, nor do illusions fight against the truth. Illusions battle only with themselves. Being fragmented, they fragment. Butler truth is indivisible, and far beyond their little reach. You will remember what you know when you have learned you cannot be in conflict. One illusion about yourself can battle with another, yet the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory. And truth stands radiant, apart from conflict, untouched and quiet in the peace of God." One of the more lucid quotes in ACIM, amidst its otherwise impenetrable turgidity.
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Post by quinn on Jan 27, 2014 13:41:42 GMT -5
While I find ACIM as a whole to be convoluted, I came across this quote a while ago and perhaps it might speak to what you wish to understand. "Truth does not fight against illusions, nor do illusions fight against the truth. Illusions battle only with themselves. Being fragmented, they fragment. Butler truth is indivisible, and far beyond their little reach. You will remember what you know when you have learned you cannot be in conflict. One illusion about yourself can battle with another, yet the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory. And truth stands radiant, apart from conflict, untouched and quiet in the peace of God." One of the more lucid quotes in ACIM, amidst its otherwise impenetrable turgidity. I agree - particularly "the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory." I haven't read ACIM. Did you slog through it? If so, was it worth it to you?
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Post by Beingist on Jan 27, 2014 14:11:16 GMT -5
One of the more lucid quotes in ACIM, amidst its otherwise impenetrable turgidity. I agree - particularly "the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory." I haven't read ACIM. Did you slog through it? If so, was it worth it to you? I did. 'Slog through it' is highly appropriate. I really don't remember much about it, tbh. That's how sloggy it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 14:45:17 GMT -5
One of the more lucid quotes in ACIM, amidst its otherwise impenetrable turgidity. I agree - particularly "the war of two illusions is a state where nothing happens. There is no victor and there is no victory." I haven't read ACIM. Did you slog through it? If so, was it worth it to you? Mostly confused me, but then again so does all non-dual talk. It was my bible for years, now I basically see how impractical it is. It kind of has a pollyanic tone to it which I can't reconcile wih the world I see. Guess I am a faild student, lol.
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Post by quinn on Jan 27, 2014 16:46:47 GMT -5
Haha! Veddy interesting. It's been on my shelf for about 5 years now, still in the wrapper. Kept waiting for the urge to begin it, but it hasn't come. After your glowing recommendations...checking....checking....still not there!
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Post by Beingist on Jan 27, 2014 16:49:39 GMT -5
Haha! Veddy interesting. It's been on my shelf for about 5 years now, still in the wrapper. Kept waiting for the urge to begin it, but it hasn't come. After your glowing recommendations...checking....checking....still not there! If you're not a Cradle Catholic, I'd say it's not worth it for most people. The language always seemed to me to be rather a deprogramming-type language for Roman Catholics.
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