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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 20:13:01 GMT -5
OK... I didn't realize we did ridicule people IRL. heh ... here's another guy who never worked in a restaurant ... To some extent, this is a cultural thing. In the final analysis though, the subjective nature of meaning makes disentangling ridicule from humor a rather hopeless affair, so that the only way to make a forum like this free from ridicule would be to scrub it of all humor. This is where your admonition to be kind comes into play. Humour is just a 'straw man'.
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2013 20:25:24 GMT -5
heh ... here's another guy who never worked in a restaurant ... To some extent, this is a cultural thing. In the final analysis though, the subjective nature of meaning makes disentangling ridicule from humor a rather hopeless affair, so that the only way to make a forum like this free from ridicule would be to scrub it of all humor. This is where your admonition to be kind comes into play. Humour is just a 'straw man'. Don't be so hard on yerself ... I hear a chuckle er to from ya' from the other side of my monitor glass ... But for those with no sense of it, yes, it is just a straw man.
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 20:30:34 GMT -5
The 'playing the victim' places onus on the person being ridiculed, but ridicule is actually a hurtful behavior. If the person is targeted, then it's meant personally, so of course people will take personally, and they do. The people who do the targeting are seeking a reaction, which is why they prod at personal issues that are likely to be sensitive. When the targeted person reacts, mission accomplished... then we can blame the person who reacted and put forth our own very helpful intentions... then ok. After a while people don't speak as freely or express adverse emotion or expose vulnerability. It's like this... no one wants to be slapped on the back when they have a bad sunburn, but a slap on the back can be a kind gesture, but if the slapping continues after pain has been expressed, that's malice. Sure, we'll just call it 'humour'. That way the ridicule isn't done and if anyone feels hurt by it, then it's them that allowed it.
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 20:33:59 GMT -5
Humour is just a 'straw man'. Don't be so hard on yerself ... I hear a chuckle er to from ya' from the other side of my monitor glass ... But for those with no sense of it, yes, it is just a straw man. Good ears you have there. 'Humour' still strikes me as a denial of ridicule, though.
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2013 20:37:17 GMT -5
Don't be so hard on yerself ... I hear a chuckle er to from ya' from the other side of my monitor glass ... But for those with no sense of it, yes, it is just a straw man. Good ears you have there. 'Humour' still strikes me as a denial of ridicule, though. Entanglement is denial?
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Post by enigma on Dec 6, 2013 20:43:57 GMT -5
Why do you beat your wife whereas most husbands don't? This is the kind of trick language can play. If you label it ridicule, there can be no answer to your question. Ridicule is already a judgment of the behavior and not a description of the behavior itself. I often talk about the insanity here, and some see that as ridicule also, but this insanity is much like the absurdity that L talks about, and there is humor in this absurdity. Sometimes we can laugh at ourselves when we see ourselves clearly. It would be good if the discussions here came from a more impersonal perspective. Maybe one question would be, is the ego in the humor, or is it in the insanity and in the reaction to the humor that results in labeling it mocking and ridicule? If we're interested in the truth, even the insanity should be brought to the fore, though the insane will object. It's a rather unique interest not common in 'reasonable community life'. Beating the wife isn't kind. Ridicule is the term used for the behavior. Mockery, bickering and so on. I'm sure everyone here recocognises the occurrence of these. My fist comment was to suggest that not everyone agrees with your judgment of ridicule. Not everyone "recognizes" what you recognize. So starting from there and discussing the details of that judgment doesn't make much sense. I don't see much of either going on. Don't see that happening either. I don't see anybody trying to entertain the one they are 'mocking' or whatever it is. Projections seems to be a separate issue.
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2013 20:46:30 GMT -5
Good ears you have there.
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 21:40:52 GMT -5
Beating the wife isn't kind. Ridicule is the term used for the behavior. Mockery, bickering and so on. I'm sure everyone here recocognises the occurrence of these. My fist comment was to suggest that not everyone agrees with your judgment of ridicule. Not everyone "recognizes" what you recognize. So starting from there and discussing the details of that judgment doesn't make much sense. I don't see much of either going on. Don't see that happening either. I don't see anybody trying to entertain the one they are 'mocking' or whatever it is. Projections seems to be a separate issue. It'd be a surprise to me if people didn't aknowledge that ridicule and mockery and bickering is a significant part of this forum. At the moment it seems that there's a thing like, 'oh the humour you mean?'
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 21:46:49 GMT -5
My fist comment was to suggest that not everyone agrees with your judgment of ridicule. Not everyone "recognizes" what you recognize. So starting from there and discussing the details of that judgment doesn't make much sense. I don't see much of either going on. Don't see that happening either. I don't see anybody trying to entertain the one they are 'mocking' or whatever it is. Projections seems to be a separate issue. It'd be a surprise to me if people didn't aknowledge that ridicule and mockery and bickering is a significant part of this forum. At the moment it seems that there's a thing like, 'oh the humour you mean?' If there was no you, would ridicule, mockery and bickering have any meaning?!
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Post by laughter on Dec 6, 2013 21:48:57 GMT -5
My fist comment was to suggest that not everyone agrees with your judgment of ridicule. Not everyone "recognizes" what you recognize. So starting from there and discussing the details of that judgment doesn't make much sense. I don't see much of either going on. Don't see that happening either. I don't see anybody trying to entertain the one they are 'mocking' or whatever it is. Projections seems to be a separate issue. It'd be a surprise to me if people didn't aknowledge that ridicule and mockery and bickering is a significant part of this forum. At the moment it seems that there's a thing like, 'oh the humour you mean?' Well, I'm not gonna' sign up to your versions of the words "mockery" and "bickering" ahead of time but I'll acknowledge quite a bit of negativity in the dialogs here, but I didn't see E' deny that, just some of your characterizations that got a bit dark, and that were suggestive of a form of sadism.
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 21:56:00 GMT -5
It'd be a surprise to me if people didn't aknowledge that ridicule and mockery and bickering is a significant part of this forum. At the moment it seems that there's a thing like, 'oh the humour you mean?' If there was no you, would ridicule, mockery and bickering have any meaning?! Is that a precursor to a blame the victim strategy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 22:06:29 GMT -5
If there was no you, would ridicule, mockery and bickering have any meaning?! Is that a precursor to a blame the victim strategy? If there is no you, how can there be a victim?! I'd let you in on an open secret, but it's considered spamming...
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Post by silver on Dec 6, 2013 22:30:22 GMT -5
What if we were to change the tack of this discussion, and have all the 'victims' here at st.org step up and tell their side and etc.? How would that work?
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 22:38:10 GMT -5
Is that a precursor to a blame the victim strategy? If there is no you, how can there be a victim?! I'd let you in on an open secret, but it's considered spamming... (rofl) I already know the 'message' anyway.
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 22:39:14 GMT -5
What if we were to change the tack of this discussion, and have all the 'victims' here at st.org step up and tell their side and etc.? How would that work? It'd be a big blame fest, surely.
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