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Post by lolly on Dec 5, 2013 20:48:49 GMT -5
...and the balance of power, in the end, is precisely how the subject of ridicule receives it and their response towards it. Personally, there've been times I thought/felt I was being ridiculed, and realized sometimes quite a while later, it wasn't that at all. It doesn't matter in what manner one is served notice about something about themselves is relayed, it can most definitely put one in an unwelcome and embarrassing spotlight. I'm sure you notice the ridicule, bickering and so on... and why would anyone aim to put another person in an unwelcome and embaressing spotlight IN PUBLIC. I guess you like the attention (did you notice the little effect my last comment has?) |
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Post by laughter on Dec 5, 2013 20:56:25 GMT -5
...and the balance of power, in the end, is precisely how the subject of ridicule receives it and their response towards it. Personally, there've been times I thought/felt I was being ridiculed, and realized sometimes quite a while later, it wasn't that at all. It doesn't matter in what manner one is served notice about something about themselves is relayed, it can most definitely put one in an unwelcome and embarrassing spotlight. I'm sure you notice the ridicule, bickering and so on... and why would anyone aim to put another person in an unwelcome and embaressing spotlight IN PUBLIC. I guess you like the attention (did you notice the little effect my last comment has?) If people are looking to bicker, who are you or I to question what they want? That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? You do know that you're standing behind and operating a spotlight of your own, right? |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 5, 2013 21:36:16 GMT -5
That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? But the question the OP asked remains unanswered. Is ridicule an expression of un-acceptance about something we (rightly or wrongly) see in another? |
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Post by laughter on Dec 5, 2013 21:49:29 GMT -5
That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? Is ridicule an expression of un-acceptance about something we (rightly or wrongly) see in another? I disagree. |
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Post by silver on Dec 5, 2013 22:05:43 GMT -5
That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? But the question the OP asked remains unanswered. Is ridicule an expression of un-acceptance about something we (rightly or wrongly) see in another? I think I was the first to respond, and of course I thought my answer was an answer and that it was pretty good. |
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Post by silver on Dec 5, 2013 22:07:34 GMT -5
I'm sure you notice the ridicule, bickering and so on... and why would anyone aim to put another person in an unwelcome and embaressing spotlight IN PUBLIC. I guess you like the attention (did you notice the little effect my last comment has?) If people are looking to bicker, who are you or I to question what they want? That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? You do know that you're standing behind and operating a spotlight of your own, right? I agree because bystanders, even if they seem to be 'close to the action,' aren't always understanding what's flowing underneath the surfaces of the participants. There are often some interesting dynamics that can play out for the betterment of either party. |
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Post by justlikeyou on Dec 5, 2013 22:09:58 GMT -5
I read a lot of words but I missed any direct yes, no or maybe if it was posted.
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Post by lolly on Dec 5, 2013 22:54:13 GMT -5
I'm sure you notice the ridicule, bickering and so on... and why would anyone aim to put another person in an unwelcome and embaressing spotlight IN PUBLIC. I guess you like the attention (did you notice the little effect my last comment has?) If people are looking to bicker, who are you or I to question what they want? That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? You do know that you're standing behind and operating a spotlight of your own, right? OK... I do agree people can bicker or ridicule or walk away make boundaries or whatever. It's not really a thingy, but the 'source' of it isn't me, and that's pretty clear. I'm more like an observer really,and an interesting dynamic. I just shine a light on the way it plays out, for example, my closing comment to Silver was snide and could incite a defensive response, and your closing comment was the same, effectively. when a 'you' statement is used, it will be met defensively in general, and in an environment where ridicule is common that will be more pronounced. For myself, I'm already aware of my own power and I realize I have a bright spotlight... |
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Post by lolly on Dec 5, 2013 23:10:46 GMT -5
If people are looking to bicker, who are you or I to question what they want? That it's ridiculous on it's face is pretty obvious, but do you think you can ever stop it once and for all? You do know that you're standing behind and operating a spotlight of your own, right? I agree because bystanders, even if they seem to be 'close to the action,' aren't always understanding what's flowing underneath the surfaces of the participants. There are often some interesting dynamics that can play out for the betterment of either party. Justification of ridicule as 'betterment' is kinda silly. I mean, we don't ridicule our children or ridicule our friends or girlfriend or ridicule the old lady on the corner... Why do you suppose there is no ridicule in a reasonable community life, yet it's for 'betterment' at st.org? |
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Post by lolly on Dec 5, 2013 23:18:23 GMT -5
I hope it's ok to talk about it here instead of the peace thread.
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Post by silver on Dec 5, 2013 23:18:33 GMT -5
I agree because bystanders, even if they seem to be 'close to the action,' aren't always understanding what's flowing underneath the surfaces of the participants. There are often some interesting dynamics that can play out for the betterment of either party. Justification of ridicule as 'betterment' is kinda silly. I mean, we don't ridicule our children or ridicule our friends or girlfriend or ridicule the old lady on the corner... Why do you suppose there is no ridicule in a reasonable community life, yet it's for 'betterment' at st.org? I'm using 'ridicule' as a general term -- I think that what we think we see when we look at an exchange such as the ones here (or anywhere), is easily misconstrued as to what's really going on. And as I said before somewhere, in effect -- if someone is using words to bully or appear to be bullying someone else, they are only words AND specifically, if the parties are adults, it falls on the receiver of the comments to take in what's being said, and assess them accurately. Then, depending on the assessment, they can ignore or return appropriate comments or act on them. Otherwise, it is putting on the victim mask. |
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Post by enigma on Dec 5, 2013 23:21:46 GMT -5
Do you really not see any difference between humor and ridicule? The OP is about ridicule. I’d say that ridicule, in once sense or another, is at the root of all humor. The distinction between humor that may or may not tear down a self image is one that can’t be denied, and it’s humor that does the tearing that JLU has labeled ridicule. But think back to anything that you might have found funny at one point, anything that made you laugh and consider, could it have been expressed as finding something ridiculous about what the humor framed? That this sense of the absurd, this sense of humor, can be put to use as a sort of weapon is another matter altogether, but I find the use of the word ridicule in the OP to be too narrow, in that it forecloses an understanding of humor in general based, in turn, on an understanding of absurdity and ridiculousness. In the instant that we truly laugh there is a sort of loss of control, a flavor of instantaneous madness. This strikes me as a realization, in those instants, of the ridiculousness of the consensus trance; it strikes me as a realization of the madness of mistaking what appears to us as something that it isn’t. I’d say that, in those moments, when our body shakes and our breath quickens – especially when it is seemingly beyond control -- it is precisely because an absurdity has occurred to us. The absurdity isn’t realized on any conceptual level – laughter is no more easily captured by words (perhaps even less so) than the taste of honey. That said, if I were forced to state a concept that described what this absurdity is, I’d say that it's the overall sense of being separate from either that which appears to us but is obviously not what we are, or that which appears to us and that we are prone to mistake for what we are. The basic theme here strikes me as pretty insightful. Humor is the recognition of the absurd. We laugh at the absurdity in ourselves, in situations, and in others. When we laugh at the absurdity in others, we may call it mocking because it has the extra feature of being seen as insulting by the other, but the humor is not connected to insult. Insult is not funny. That's a connection that the subject of the humor makes. |
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Post by silver on Dec 6, 2013 0:17:39 GMT -5
I agree because bystanders, even if they seem to be 'close to the action,' aren't always understanding what's flowing underneath the surfaces of the participants. There are often some interesting dynamics that can play out for the betterment of either party. Justification of ridicule as 'betterment' is kinda silly. I mean, we don't ridicule our children or ridicule our friends or girlfriend or ridicule the old lady on the corner... Why do you suppose there is no ridicule in a reasonable community life, yet it's for 'betterment' at st.org? But, we do ridicule all these people IRL. Lotta the time, it's much subtler than say here  Or it's subtle ridicule plus other forms of manipulation along with. |
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 2:07:22 GMT -5
Justification of ridicule as 'betterment' is kinda silly. I mean, we don't ridicule our children or ridicule our friends or girlfriend or ridicule the old lady on the corner... Why do you suppose there is no ridicule in a reasonable community life, yet it's for 'betterment' at st.org? I'm using 'ridicule' as a general term -- I think that what we think we see when we look at an exchange such as the ones here (or anywhere), is easily misconstrued as to what's really going on. And as I said before somewhere, in effect -- if someone is using words to bully or appear to be bullying someone else, they are only words AND specifically, if the parties are adults, it falls on the receiver of the comments to take in what's being said, and assess them accurately. Then, depending on the assessment, they can ignore or return appropriate comments or act on them. Otherwise, it is putting on the victim mask. I'm using ridicule in it's common meaning. Words have a powerful effect. Here we have a person ridiculing another, but we seem to blame the victim. Blaming the victim is also a stage of mockery, and comes just before the betterment stage. You are identifying the features of it pretty accurately. Why do you you suppose ridicule is so common here, yet we don't behave like that in our real lives... ? |
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Post by lolly on Dec 6, 2013 2:08:46 GMT -5
Justification of ridicule as 'betterment' is kinda silly. I mean, we don't ridicule our children or ridicule our friends or girlfriend or ridicule the old lady on the corner... Why do you suppose there is no ridicule in a reasonable community life, yet it's for 'betterment' at st.org? But, we do ridicule all these people IRL. Lotta the time, it's much subtler than say here :D Or it's subtle ridicule plus other forms of manipulation along with. OK... I didn't realize we did ridicule people IRL. |
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