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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 15:24:57 GMT -5
I know it's true. When Bill Clinton was running the first time, me and an older woman friend were talking about the upcoming election, and she flat out said she was more than likely going to vote for him because of his good looks. I was more than a little stunned. Can you imagine some of the ancient US presidents getting elected these days? Like Lincoln -- wouldn't stand a chance. Before the media really took hold, that is. I am different though. I don't trust pretty people one bit. First of course becasue of envy and I hate them, escpecially if you're male and pretty then I'll hate you and want to punch you in the face for stealing all the girls. I can'T be friends with someone who is pretty, because think about it you go to a party or something together and then you'll always in his shadow, wtf I don't need that. I also dont understand women when one is fat and ugly and the other is really pretty and they go out together, I think like wtf is wrong with the ugly one, how stupid is she, doesn't she understand that her friend only accencuates her ugliness? So I really hate pretty males, but I don't mind pretty women, I would never buy something from them, except their body if I had the money, my brain still works in that sense, but the chemicals also still work and I can't really hate them no matter what. So if they sell something, especially in politics if someone is pretty then I get extremely suspicious. Oh, please. You didn't just fall off the turnip truck, you and I both know that. I'm thinking perhaps the so-called ugly/fat/whatever chick is going with an attractive friend to pick up the excess - all kinds of men will obviously flock to her/THEM, yeah. We're ALL social animals. You have to go with someone to the party, ay? Same thing with introverts/extroverts, if looks aren't an issue and you are looking. When I see stories on AOL News and there's a picture of a really fat bride and the groom, and I think there's hope for me yet haha. It's all pretty funny stuff -- human psychology fascinates me. So, JB, on a scale of 1-10, how do you rate your physical attractiveness? Thing is, one person may think as you did, that KW is supposed to be attractive, but I went ugh. So, obviously, your assessments are more than a bit off shall we say?
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Post by laughter on Nov 25, 2013 15:47:55 GMT -5
Understanding or having CLARITY about freeing ONESELF, or the sense of a SELF from the MIND is DUALITY... It isn't FREEDOM... That's rather obvious, but that's also why most of us constantly say, "Look where the words are pointing and don't get attached to the words." (sigh) hmmm .... ...maybe that sugar isn't such a good idea then ... might get the words all sticky!
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 16:10:38 GMT -5
Oh, please. You didn't just fall off the turnip truck, you and I both know that. I'm thinking perhaps the so-called ugly/fat/whatever chick is going with an attractive friend to pick up the excess - all kinds of men will obviously flock to her/THEM, yeah. We're ALL social animals. You have to go with someone to the party, ay? Okay the pick up excess it's a good point, but still to me it just turns stupid behaviour into ugly behaviour because that tells me she has no self-respect, she knows/thinks she is ugly and she is desperate.Same thing with introverts/extroverts, if looks aren't an issue and you are looking. When I see stories on AOL News and there's a picture of a really fat bride and the groom, and I think there's hope for me yet haha. It's all pretty funny stuff -- human psychology fascinates me. So, JB, on a scale of 1-10, how do you rate your physical attractiveness? Thing is, one person may think as you did, that KW is supposed to be attractive, but I went ugh. So, obviously, your assessments are more than a bit off shall we say? Probably a 2. Okay, obviously I really hate myself, so best case maybe a 4.
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 16:26:32 GMT -5
Oh, please. You didn't just fall off the turnip truck, you and I both know that. I'm thinking perhaps the so-called ugly/fat/whatever chick is going with an attractive friend to pick up the excess - all kinds of men will obviously flock to her/THEM, yeah. We're ALL social animals. You have to go with someone to the party, ay? Okay the pick up excess it's a good point, but still to me it just turns stupid behaviour into ugly behaviour because that tells me she has no self-respect, she knows/thinks she is ugly and she is desperate.Same thing with introverts/extroverts, if looks aren't an issue and you are looking. When I see stories on AOL News and there's a picture of a really fat bride and the groom, and I think there's hope for me yet haha. It's all pretty funny stuff -- human psychology fascinates me. So, JB, on a scale of 1-10, how do you rate your physical attractiveness? Thing is, one person may think as you did, that KW is supposed to be attractive, but I went ugh. So, obviously, your assessments are more than a bit off shall we say? Probably a 2. Okay, obviously I really hate myself, so best case maybe a 4.Hmm, stupid into ugly? That's silly to me. What are people supposed to do? Hide in a cave? Is that what you do? I didn't think so. People need people - not all of the time, but we do. I think it's very smart to ride on someone's coattails if you feel it's necessary -- but the thing about that even, is it's life -- we have to have fun, we have to interact - it helps - sometimes we don't want to, but I think most people feel some sort of need for that normalcy no matter how they view themselves, physically and in all ways. I like the way you think sometimes, but it gets carried to such an extreme.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 25, 2013 16:27:53 GMT -5
That's rather obvious, but that's also why most of us constantly say, " Look where the words are pointing and don't get attached to the words." (sigh) Obviously it isn't obvious, it's the fundamental misconception of so called non-dual teachers, that there is a separate me that has choice, freewill and volition... You are affirming an 'I' (subject) that LOOKS at where the words are POINTING(object). You are affirming an ILLUSION. There is just Wholeness and Wholeness doesn't see objects... There is NOBODY LOOKING... There is NOBODY typing this post and NOBODY reading it... There is however WHAT IS HAPPENING, but it isn't HAPPENING TO A SOMEBODY... TRF: After all these years, do you honestly think that your point is not crystal clear to most of us? FWIW, getting attached to the idea of wholeness is just as silly and one-sided as getting attached to the idea of separateness. PIAD means letting go of ALL ideas, even the idea of wholeness.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 16:48:26 GMT -5
Hmm, stupid into ugly? That's silly to me. What are people supposed to do? Hide in a cave? Is that what you do? I didn't think so. People need people - not all of the time, but we do. I think it's very smart to ride on someone's coattails if you feel it's necessary -- but the thing about that even, is it's life -- we have to have fun, we have to interact - it helps - sometimes we don't want to, but I think most people feel some sort of need for that normalcy no matter how they view themselves, physically and in all ways. I like the way you think sometimes, but it gets carried to such an extreme. Just my opinion. Not my problem if you don't like it.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 16:57:03 GMT -5
Ah, I was just watching him in Casting Shadow on the tube -- he looks like a plucked chicken to me, heh. Not so attractive, but all that matters to me with these teachers is that their vids are reasonable quality so I can hear what the f they're saying. It sounds interesting so I plan on listening to the whole thing. My theory is that what really makes women wet about Wilbur is his history even more than his looks. from wiki: In 1983 Wilber married Terry "Treya" Killam who was shortly thereafter diagnosed with breast cancer. From 1984 until 1987, Wilber gave up most of his writing to care for her. Treya died in January 1989; their joint experience was recorded in the 1991 book Grace and Grit. That's Hollywood stuff right there, especially how he marketed it with the book and all. Chicks instantly fall for that.
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 16:57:31 GMT -5
Hmm, stupid into ugly? That's silly to me. What are people supposed to do? Hide in a cave? Is that what you do? I didn't think so. People need people - not all of the time, but we do. I think it's very smart to ride on someone's coattails if you feel it's necessary -- but the thing about that even, is it's life -- we have to have fun, we have to interact - it helps - sometimes we don't want to, but I think most people feel some sort of need for that normalcy no matter how they view themselves, physically and in all ways. I like the way you think sometimes, but it gets carried to such an extreme. Just my opinion. Not my problem if you don't like it. It's not a big deal because that's what forums are for - exchanging ideas and all sortsa notions. S'cool.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 16:59:18 GMT -5
Stop your wishful thinking and face reality. There are no benevolent angels. They are all evil, they are playing the good cop bad cop routine. If angels were good then they would have already crushed all evil demons. They would help mankind and the world would not be such an evil place. But in reality this world is a toilet, if there are higher powers then they are evil and perverted and they either don't care about our fate or they want to see us suffer. They will. The universe is at least a couple of billions of years old. You'd think they had enough time to kill all evil demons. Obviously they didn't. And they never will. Only promises, but they never deliver. You have to be an idiot not to figure out what the game is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:01:17 GMT -5
Stop your wishful thinking and face reality. There are no benevolent angels. They are all evil, they are playing the good cop bad cop routine. If angels were good then they would have already crushed all evil demons. They would help mankind and the world would not be such an evil place. But in reality this world is a toilet, if there are higher powers then they are evil and perverted and they either don't care about our fate or they want to see us suffer. They will. JB has a point there. If there are all powerful benevolent deities, why wouldn't they bestow everlasting bliss right now and not at some time in the future. Why allow suffering, even the most minute? 1. It's a screwy model 2. benevolent deities are fantasy 3. the deities are not benevolent, rather malevolent
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 17:05:38 GMT -5
JB has a point there. If there are all powerful benevolent deities, why wouldn't they bestow everlasting bliss right now and not at some time in the future. Why allow suffering, even the most minute? 1. It's a screwy model 2. benevolent deities are fantasy 3. the deities are not benevolent, rather malevolent Oh max, has some sorta crazy bug bit ya? I always assumed for the most part, that all this good/evil has to do with psychology and what shape our brains and all that dna is in from individual to individual. Call me crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:08:23 GMT -5
Ah, I was just watching him in Casting Shadow on the tube -- he looks like a plucked chicken to me, heh. Not so attractive, but all that matters to me with these teachers is that their vids are reasonable quality so I can hear what the f they're saying. It sounds interesting so I plan on listening to the whole thing. My theory is that what really makes women wet about Wilbur is his history even more than his looks. from wiki: In 1983 Wilber married Terry "Treya" Killam who was shortly thereafter diagnosed with breast cancer. From 1984 until 1987, Wilber gave up most of his writing to care for her. Treya died in January 1989; their joint experience was recorded in the 1991 book Grace and Grit. That's Hollywood stuff right there, especially how he marketed it with the book and all. Chicks instantly fall for that. I think it was Jed Mckenna's second book where he goes to CA to a dinner party hosted by a friend. Jed unleashes a spiritually incorrect rant there making the new age community a bit uncomfortable. I always imagined that the party included or was hosted by Ken Wilbur and his talk about the community that was forming was his Integral blah blah. Jed said something like the host had more intelligence in the tip of his nose than Jed ever could hope for...something like that. I've read a bit of KW and he does exude rocket science philosophy. There's something very shallow there too-- even his feats of mind control (like in the video) seem like parlor tricks (cool ones). When I've heard him interview others he pretty much seems to do all the talking. It's annoying. But this is the first I've heard that he's also a sex symbol. Is this his own estimation or that of JB's only?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:13:39 GMT -5
JB has a point there. If there are all powerful benevolent deities, why wouldn't they bestow everlasting bliss right now and not at some time in the future. Why allow suffering, even the most minute? 1. It's a screwy model 2. benevolent deities are fantasy 3. the deities are not benevolent, rather malevolent Oh max, has some sorta crazy bug bit ya? I always assumed for the most part, that all this good/evil has to do with psychology and what shape our brains and all that dna is in from individual to individual. Call me crazy. No comprendo. As far as I can tell, there are a lot of peeps that believe in benevolent deities. Of that population, fewer believe in the malevolent kind. Just like there's a large population that believes in Heaven after death and, of the same population, fewer believe in a Hell. Makes no sense to me. But I was raised agnostic so it's never been something I've had to grapple with. I don't know what you're talking about with resepct to psychology and brains. ??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 17:19:04 GMT -5
JB has a point there. If there are all powerful benevolent deities, why wouldn't they bestow everlasting bliss right now and not at some time in the future. Why allow suffering, even the most minute? 1. It's a screwy model 2. benevolent deities are fantasy 3. the deities are not benevolent, rather malevolent Because they don't interfere with what people want. If almost everyone wants evil they allow them that. It's one of the ways they love by allowing. So a 2 year old hiding in a cabinet because of the raging typhoon drowns because they were wanting evil? And other 2 year olds that survive no prob because they don't want evil? Bogus.
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 17:21:55 GMT -5
Oh max, has some sorta crazy bug bit ya? I always assumed for the most part, that all this good/evil has to do with psychology and what shape our brains and all that dna is in from individual to individual. Call me crazy. No comprendo. As far as I can tell, there are a lot of peeps that believe in benevolent deities. Of that population, fewer believe in the malevolent kind. Just like there's a large population that believes in Heaven after death and, of the same population, fewer believe in a Hell. Makes no sense to me. But I was raised agnostic so it's never been something I've had to grapple with. I don't know what you're talking about with resepct to psychology and brains. ?? Oh. I mean there are no angels/devils. It sure is easy to imagine them. We are be-deviled by seemingly crazy problems. Yet sometimes wonderful things happen out of nowhere. We grasp at explanations and voila, angels and devils get conjured up in our psyches. I think we 'like' to believe in them, but that becomes problematic, even though I myself don't wanna stop believing in angels, I figure if they're real, then devils are real, too. *shrug*
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