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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 11:16:30 GMT -5
This reminds of Sailor Bob's 'Full Stop.' At some point in the conversation here there was talk about hitting the Pause button. The trick with PIAD and Full Stop and the Pause button is that thoughts immediately arise that are pretty much like "what?" "how do I do that?" "where's the Pause button?" "How do I know if it's fully stopped?" All these absurd thoughts come up. Or even after a while of 'no thinking' there's a thought that comes up like "was that Full Stop?" yada yada yada. "Now I'm just whining." Maybe after the fact, after some sort of realization, the ability to just Full Stop or Pause or PIAD is obvious. I'm not seeing it right now. The thing about ATA is that it gives attention something to do besides ride the next thought horse that comes along. It's a substitute of sorts. You're a fool if you still believe that there is any use to these practises. They don't work and never have. These spiritual teachers are all driven purely by ego, they know that their methods don't work. I have been on this forum 4-5 years. In all those years nobody has become enlightened here. Isn't that strange? All it comes down to is talent, i.e. you need to have the right genes and maybe you can have some success. I have already mentioned Mike Snyder's son, who became suddenly enlightened just by hearing his father talking about it on the phone. The boy never practised a thing, still got enlightened. You need the right genes, if you don't then bad luck for you, buddy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 11:33:45 GMT -5
This reminds of Sailor Bob's 'Full Stop.' At some point in the conversation here there was talk about hitting the Pause button. The trick with PIAD and Full Stop and the Pause button is that thoughts immediately arise that are pretty much like "what?" "how do I do that?" "where's the Pause button?" "How do I know if it's fully stopped?" All these absurd thoughts come up. Or even after a while of 'no thinking' there's a thought that comes up like "was that Full Stop?" yada yada yada. "Now I'm just whining." Maybe after the fact, after some sort of realization, the ability to just Full Stop or Pause or PIAD is obvious. I'm not seeing it right now. The thing about ATA is that it gives attention something to do besides ride the next thought horse that comes along. It's a substitute of sorts. You're a fool if you still believe that there is any use to these practises. They don't work and never have. These spiritual teachers are all driven purely by ego, they know that their methods don't work. I have been on this forum 4-5 years. In all those years nobody has become enlightened here. Isn't that strange? All it comes down to is talent, i.e. you need to have the right genes and maybe you can have some success. I have already mentioned Mike Snyder's son, who became suddenly enlightened just by hearing his father talking about it on the phone. The boy never practised a thing, still got enlightened. You need the right genes, if you don't then bad luck for you, buddy. Oh yeah -- there's also the story of the dim fool monk who reached full Realization when fellow monks mocked him and threw rocks at his head. There's hope yet! I'm skeptical of Enlightenment -- it seems to me just a philosophical position where the being no longer thinks of themselves as an independent agent, just a node of sensations in the big mix. Nothing wrong with that. TRF seems like a good spokesman for that angle (just teasing you there TRF! -- obviously there is NOTHING that could possibly SPEAK from that ANGLE.)
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 12:00:48 GMT -5
You're a fool if you still believe that there is any use to these practises. They don't work and never have. These spiritual teachers are all driven purely by ego, they know that their methods don't work. I have been on this forum 4-5 years. In all those years nobody has become enlightened here. Isn't that strange? All it comes down to is talent, i.e. you need to have the right genes and maybe you can have some success. I have already mentioned Mike Snyder's son, who became suddenly enlightened just by hearing his father talking about it on the phone. The boy never practised a thing, still got enlightened. You need the right genes, if you don't then bad luck for you, buddy. Oh yeah -- there's also the story of the dim fool monk who reached full Realization when fellow monks mocked him and threw rocks at his head. There's hope yet! Uhm, no, that's brain damage.I'm skeptical of Enlightenment -- it seems to me just a philosophical position where the being no longer thinks of themselves as an independent agent, just a node of sensations in the big mix. Nothing wrong with that. I agree. The difference of them to folks like us is that they are fully immersed into their belief, so deeply that they take their beliefs to be knowledge. The big challenge for us to simply fully become immersed in beliefs about spirituality, like Cypher fro the Matrix. Think about it, if you change your brain so that whatever comes up in your life appears to you like you wanted it, i.e. whatever happens makes you always feel like it is the expression/fulfillment of your desire, then you will always be happy. Or if you truly believe that you will go to heaven after death and you will enjoy eternal life in paradise, then you will also be happy all the time. etc. That's all enlightenment is. The difference is that they say that they KNOW, but we know for a fact that they just BELIEVE, and what we want is to change our brain so that we KNOW what we know that they just BELIEVE. TRF seems like a good spokesman for that angle (just teasing you there TRF! -- obviously there is NOTHING that could possibly SPEAK from that ANGLE.) They are fos. It's ridiculous. I watched the recent interview of Bentinho Massaro over at BATGAP. So he talking for over an hour about all kinds of esoteric crap. Then Rick asks him, "ok, how do you know all that?" And the guy answers he has read all that stuff in books and it makes sense to him. Crazy stuff. Massaro is a AAA spiritual teacher, and his knowledge comes from books. It's the same story with all other spiritual teachers, if you interrogate them hard enough then the ugly truth will come out sooner or later. They are all fakes, even the most celebrated teachers - especially the most celebrated on this forum... and this I know for a fact, I won't reveal my sources, but I know for a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 12:12:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah -- there's also the story of the dim fool monk who reached full Realization when fellow monks mocked him and threw rocks at his head. There's hope yet! Uhm, no, that's brain damage.Well brain damage isn't necessarily mutually exclusive. From this forum, it appears that there is a high correlation with tinnitus, for example. Call it 'universal sound' if you like. Yes there's a behavior that could be summed as 'loving what is' versus the standard 'resisting what is.' In days of yore, it was 'going with the flow.' The 'be still' part of 'be still and know' refers to that lack of resistance. In order to live that way, to 'just be,' one needs to vanquish thoughts of having any sort of critical impact on what is happening. However, I'm not sure it's a case of being blinded by beliefs. It seems to me it might be a case of using beliefs to turn off the area of the brain that relies on preconceptions and commentary. It's not like there's constant referral to beliefs. Otherwise it would just be more suffering. What did Archer say to the book knowledge thing?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 12:47:07 GMT -5
Well brain damage isn't necessarily mutually exclusive. From this forum, it appears that there is a high correlation with tinnitus, for example. Call it 'universal sound' if you like. They are all fake or brain damaged.Yes there's a behavior that could be summed as 'loving what is' versus the standard 'resisting what is.' In days of yore, it was 'going with the flow.' The 'be still' part of 'be still and know' refers to that lack of resistance. In order to live that way, to 'just be,' one needs to vanquish thoughts of having any sort of critical impact on what is happening. However, I'm not sure it's a case of being blinded by beliefs. It seems to me it might be a case of using beliefs to turn off the area of the brain that relies on preconceptions and commentary. It's not like there's constant referral to beliefs. Otherwise it would just be more suffering. But they go much further than that. they talk about eternity and consciousness how they are immortal etc. It'S crazy talk based purely on beliefs. Don't get me wrong. I would kill to have those beliefs and take them as knowledge, because then life would awesome. Look at the equation. Let's say you believe, then your life is great, because you always have that belief to rely on, if you die, so what, then you don't even notice that your beliefs were wrong. If you don't die then your beliefs were right. Problem with us is that we are so much more intelligence that these idiots, we can't just believe without proof.
What did Archer say to the book knowledge thing? Nothing. Rick was too polite. Wathc the intervew, first page on Archers site, it was very interesting, lots of interesting thoughts and concepts from the Massaro , plus it's fun to watch him cos he is so hot, i'm not gay but I can always appreciate beauty, if I were a woman I would be probably fantasizing about the guy. I wish I were him. Goddámn how does he get to be so lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 12:54:39 GMT -5
Well brain damage isn't necessarily mutually exclusive. From this forum, it appears that there is a high correlation with tinnitus, for example. Call it 'universal sound' if you like. They are all fake or brain damaged.Yes there's a behavior that could be summed as 'loving what is' versus the standard 'resisting what is.' In days of yore, it was 'going with the flow.' The 'be still' part of 'be still and know' refers to that lack of resistance. In order to live that way, to 'just be,' one needs to vanquish thoughts of having any sort of critical impact on what is happening. However, I'm not sure it's a case of being blinded by beliefs. It seems to me it might be a case of using beliefs to turn off the area of the brain that relies on preconceptions and commentary. It's not like there's constant referral to beliefs. Otherwise it would just be more suffering. But they go much further than that. they talk about eternity and consciousness how they are immortal etc. It'S crazy talk based purely on beliefs. Don't get me wrong. I would kill to have those beliefs and take them as knowledge, because then life would awesome. Look at the equation. Let's say you believe, then your life is great, because you always have that belief to rely on, if you die, so what, then you don't even notice that your beliefs were wrong. If you don't die then your beliefs were right. Problem with us is that we are so much more intelligence that these idiots, we can't just believe without proof.
Yea, that's the ticket. Too intelligent. I like that. Actually you're probably closer to the mark on the genes thing. We just don't got the stuff. boohoo. I watched the first one with Massaro. Lots of tears. In the comments lots of folks were wondering why so many older people were so enrapt by this 20 year old. Peeps really want to believe. So when a fresh character comes on stage, exuding youth and innocence but speaking the write text, there's a match made in heaven.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 25, 2013 13:32:20 GMT -5
Yea, that's the ticket. Too intelligent. I like that. Actually you're probably closer to the mark on the genes thing. We just don't got the stuff. boohoo. I watched the first one with Massaro. Lots of tears. In the comments lots of folks were wondering why so many older people were so enrapt by this 20 year old. Peeps really want to believe. So when a fresh character comes on stage, exuding youth and innocence but speaking the write text, there's a match made in heaven. Only one reason. He is hot. Imagine if he were some ugly fat kid, face full of acne, with glasses on, ugly name like Hans Wurst or something like that, crooked british teeth, a 1/10 kinda guy, you think anyone would want to listen to him? Never. But Bentinho is beautiful, nice smile, muscles, beautiful name, everything beautiful. That's the only reason he is successful.It only comes down to that. Spirituality customers. Who are they? Vast majority is women. That's why much more male teachers than female, ratio is probably like 1/9 or 2/8 at best.
Look at Tolle. Ugly yes, but adorable. Chicks dig that. A cute fluffy teddy bear to cuddle with.
Adya also hot. Most women would want to be intimate with him.
Mooji. Sorry, no offense, but only reason he is successful is that he is adorable and cool and he has all the cool rasta thing going. Imagine if mooji had really dark skin, ugly and scary, not in a million years would he be successful. Most women wouldn't mind having sex with Mooji, but with a scary and ugly really black guy, no way.
Rupert Spira. Adorable, so gentle, so nice. Wonderful voice.
Ken Wilber. Too obvious. No explanation necessary.
That's just quick examples. Make no mistake it only comes down to this. That's bottom line.
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Post by zendancer on Nov 25, 2013 13:55:41 GMT -5
A sage I knew used to say to his students, "Put it all down!"(PIAD!) by which he meant, "Drop all of your ideas, and become empty." PIAD is a directive admonition whereas TMT is more of an observation. Perhaps we could modify it somewhat to make it more palatable--PPPWSOIPIAD (please, pretty please, with sugar on it, put it all down). If we PIAD, then what? The mind becomes silent, imagination takes a rest, there is seeing without knowing, and the body naturally relaxes. Who we THINK we are, and what we think ABOUT the world is no longer important. Clarity ensues, and happiness and contentment spontaneously arise. If we PIAD, there is only "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..........." Going to work, interacting with people, opinionless, idea-less, selfless, only "Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh." This reminds of Sailor Bob's 'Full Stop.' At some point in the conversation here there was talk about hitting the Pause button. The trick with PIAD and Full Stop and the Pause button is that thoughts immediately arise that are pretty much like "what?" "how do I do that?" "where's the Pause button?" "How do I know if it's fully stopped?" All these absurd thoughts come up. Or even after a while of 'no thinking' there's a thought that comes up like "was that Full Stop?" yada yada yada. "Now I'm just whining." Maybe after the fact, after some sort of realization, the ability to just Full Stop or Pause or PIAD is obvious. I'm not seeing it right now. The thing about ATA is that it gives attention something to do besides ride the next thought horse that comes along. It's a substitute of sorts. Max: Yes, PIAD, full stop, and the pause button are all pointing to the space between thoughts or prior to thoughts. And yes, ATA is a way of shifting attention to that space of non-conceptual awareness. Thinking usually begets thinking, and silence usually begets silence. The more time one spends in silence the clearer "what is" appears without the usual conceptual overlay. Realization is not necessary for Full Stop to be recognized, but a certain degree of silence is usually necessary--an amount that is largely dependent upon how spun up the mind's condition is. If humans had a sensing device on their heads that measured ideas per minute (IDP), sort of like a tachometer on a car's engine, and this idea-ometer? was connected to a wrist-watch readout, they could use it like a biofeedback device and thereby see how to lower their IDP (much like BF blood pressure machines). If you read the posts on this forum, you will notice that some posters are "spun up" to a high degree. They have so many ideas spinning out of their intellects that they stay "revved up" all the time. Sages say that their "cups are full" (no more will go in), and they are therefore less likely to hear anything that doesn't conform to their incessantly-repeated ideas. These kinds of folks will usually have a much harder time attaining Full Stop or even slowing down the rate of IDP. The good news is that even people who have highly-revved up intellects can sometimes have moments of clarity and see that there is something that is always free of thought--something that simply sees thoughts, but doesn't have to stay entranced in thoughts. One moment of clarity can sometimes illuminate the path to freedom.
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 14:20:30 GMT -5
This reminds of Sailor Bob's 'Full Stop.' At some point in the conversation here there was talk about hitting the Pause button. The trick with PIAD and Full Stop and the Pause button is that thoughts immediately arise that are pretty much like "what?" "how do I do that?" "where's the Pause button?" "How do I know if it's fully stopped?" All these absurd thoughts come up. Or even after a while of 'no thinking' there's a thought that comes up like "was that Full Stop?" yada yada yada. "Now I'm just whining." Maybe after the fact, after some sort of realization, the ability to just Full Stop or Pause or PIAD is obvious. I'm not seeing it right now. The thing about ATA is that it gives attention something to do besides ride the next thought horse that comes along. It's a substitute of sorts. Max: Yes, PIAD, full stop, and the pause button are all pointing to the space between thoughts or prior to thoughts. And yes, ATA is a way of shifting attention to that space of non-conceptual awareness. Thinking usually begets thinking, and silence usually begets silence. The more time one spends in silence the clearer "what is" appears without the usual conceptual overlay. Realization is not necessary for Full Stop to be recognized, but a certain degree of silence is usually necessary--an amount that is largely dependent upon how spun up the mind's condition is. If humans had a sensing device on their heads that measured ideas per minute (IDP), sort of like a tachometer on a car's engine, and this idea-ometer? was connected to a wrist-watch readout, they could use it like a biofeedback device and thereby see how to lower their IDP (much like BF blood pressure machines). If you read the posts on this forum, you will notice that some posters are "spun up" to a high degree. They have so many ideas spinning out of their intellects that they stay "revved up" all the time. Sages say that their "cups are full" (no more will go in), and they are therefore less likely to hear anything that doesn't conform to their incessantly-repeated ideas. These kinds of folks will usually have a much harder time attaining Full Stop or even slowing down the rate of IDP. The good news is that even people who have highly-revved up intellects can sometimes have moments of clarity and see that there is something that is always free of thought--something that simply sees thoughts, but doesn't have to stay entranced in thoughts. One moment of clarity can sometimes illuminate the path to freedom. I like what you said, ZD. Just wanting to have a little more from you on that path to freedom - an often-asked / talked about thingy -- this 'freedom' - what is it? Is it as some have asked or suggested, that it's total or reasonable stoppage of the mind's spinning or something else, or a combination of that and X ? What is it?
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Post by silver on Nov 25, 2013 14:23:53 GMT -5
Yea, that's the ticket. Too intelligent. I like that. Actually you're probably closer to the mark on the genes thing. We just don't got the stuff. boohoo. I watched the first one with Massaro. Lots of tears. In the comments lots of folks were wondering why so many older people were so enrapt by this 20 year old. Peeps really want to believe. So when a fresh character comes on stage, exuding youth and innocence but speaking the write text, there's a match made in heaven. Only one reason. He is hot. Imagine if he were some ugly fat kid, face full of acne, with glasses on, ugly name like Hans Wurst or something like that, crooked british teeth, a 1/10 kinda guy, you think anyone would want to listen to him? Never. But Bentinho is beautiful, nice smile, muscles, beautiful name, everything beautiful. That's the only reason he is successful.It only comes down to that. Spirituality customers. Who are they? Vast majority is women. That's why much more male teachers than female, ratio is probably like 1/9 or 2/8 at best.
Look at Tolle. Ugly yes, but adorable. Chicks dig that. A cute fluffy teddy bear to cuddle with.
Adya also hot. Most women would want to be intimate with him.
Mooji. Sorry, no offense, but only reason he is successful is that he is adorable and cool and he has all the cool rasta thing going. Imagine if mooji had really dark skin, ugly and scary, not in a million years would he be successful. Most women wouldn't mind having sex with Mooji, but with a scary and ugly really black guy, no way.
Rupert Spira. Adorable, so gentle, so nice. Wonderful voice.
Ken Wilber. Too obvious. No explanation necessary.
That's just quick examples. Make no mistake it only comes down to this. That's bottom line.You totally crack me up, JB. Love it. Packaging -- it's all about the packaging / marketing, heh. I'll have to check out Wilber -- haven't seen him.
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Post by andrew on Nov 25, 2013 14:34:18 GMT -5
This reminds of Sailor Bob's 'Full Stop.' At some point in the conversation here there was talk about hitting the Pause button. The trick with PIAD and Full Stop and the Pause button is that thoughts immediately arise that are pretty much like "what?" "how do I do that?" "where's the Pause button?" "How do I know if it's fully stopped?" All these absurd thoughts come up. Or even after a while of 'no thinking' there's a thought that comes up like "was that Full Stop?" yada yada yada. "Now I'm just whining." Maybe after the fact, after some sort of realization, the ability to just Full Stop or Pause or PIAD is obvious. I'm not seeing it right now. The thing about ATA is that it gives attention something to do besides ride the next thought horse that comes along. It's a substitute of sorts. Max: Yes, PIAD, full stop, and the pause button are all pointing to the space between thoughts or prior to thoughts. And yes, ATA is a way of shifting attention to that space of non-conceptual awareness. Thinking usually begets thinking, and silence usually begets silence. The more time one spends in silence the clearer "what is" appears without the usual conceptual overlay. Realization is not necessary for Full Stop to be recognized, but a certain degree of silence is usually necessary--an amount that is largely dependent upon how spun up the mind's condition is. If humans had a sensing device on their heads that measured ideas per minute (IDP), sort of like a tachometer on a car's engine, and this idea-ometer? was connected to a wrist-watch readout, they could use it like a biofeedback device and thereby see how to lower their IDP (much like BF blood pressure machines). If you read the posts on this forum, you will notice that some posters are "spun up" to a high degree. They have so many ideas spinning out of their intellects that they stay "revved up" all the time. Sages say that their "cups are full" (no more will go in), and they are therefore less likely to hear anything that doesn't conform to their incessantly-repeated ideas. These kinds of folks will usually have a much harder time attaining Full Stop or even slowing down the rate of IDP. The good news is that even people who have highly-revved up intellects can sometimes have moments of clarity and see that there is something that is always free of thought--something that simply sees thoughts, but doesn't have to stay entranced in thoughts. One moment of clarity can sometimes illuminate the path to freedom. Just want to say that its largely because my mind has been very active/noisy (sometimes painfully active/noisy) over the years that I can very effectively hit the pause button. For me, being able to just let it all go in a moments notice, or shift focus to the breath, or put it all out front instantly isn't so much an interest or a preference as much as it is an essential....so I don't think the ability to 'hit pause' is reserved just for those that have less ideas per minute, and you may have been saying this in the last paragraph.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 14:35:24 GMT -5
You're a fool if you still believe that there is any use to these practises. They don't work and never have. These spiritual teachers are all driven purely by ego, they know that their methods don't work. I have been on this forum 4-5 years. In all those years nobody has become enlightened here. Isn't that strange? All it comes down to is talent, i.e. you need to have the right genes and maybe you can have some success. I have already mentioned Mike Snyder's son, who became suddenly enlightened just by hearing his father talking about it on the phone. The boy never practised a thing, still got enlightened. You need the right genes, if you don't then bad luck for you, buddy. Oh yeah -- there's also the story of the dim fool monk who reached full Realization when fellow monks mocked him and threw rocks at his head. There's hope yet! I'm skeptical of Enlightenment -- it seems to me just a philosophical position where the being no longer thinks of themselves as an independent agent, just a node of sensations in the big mix. Nothing wrong with that. TRF seems like a good spokesman for that angle (just teasing you there TRF! -- obviously there is NOTHING that could possibly SPEAK from that ANGLE.) Hehe...Well max, speaking Happens, so does teasing, so does Me thinking it has a philosophical position, so does Me thinking it doesn't have a philosophical position, so does Me thinking Me is an illusion and there is just What's Happening... That's why ENLIGHTENMENT is FUTILE because there is no Me, no seeker, to get enlightened... There is the possibility of the illusion of Me vanishing, leaving that which is always here, that which is JUST What's Happening. FREEDOM is all there is...and it's so ridiculously too simple for the mind to comprehend...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 14:36:13 GMT -5
You totally crack me up, JB. Love it. Packaging -- it's all about the packaging / marketing, heh. I'll have to check out Wilber -- haven't seen him. Well here's the virile Ken Wilbur in bed, stopping his brainwaves it's actually pretty cool, though I wouldn't know if it's true or not. Is this PIAD?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2013 14:39:57 GMT -5
Yea, that's the ticket. Too intelligent. I like that. Actually you're probably closer to the mark on the genes thing. We just don't got the stuff. boohoo. I watched the first one with Massaro. Lots of tears. In the comments lots of folks were wondering why so many older people were so enrapt by this 20 year old. Peeps really want to believe. So when a fresh character comes on stage, exuding youth and innocence but speaking the write text, there's a match made in heaven. Only one reason. He is hot. Imagine if he were some ugly fat kid, face full of acne, with glasses on, ugly name like Hans Wurst or something like that, crooked british teeth, a 1/10 kinda guy, you think anyone would want to listen to him? Never. But Bentinho is beautiful, nice smile, muscles, beautiful name, everything beautiful. That's the only reason he is successful.It only comes down to that. Spirituality customers. Who are they? Vast majority is women. That's why much more male teachers than female, ratio is probably like 1/9 or 2/8 at best.
Look at Tolle. Ugly yes, but adorable. Chicks dig that. A cute fluffy teddy bear to cuddle with.
Adya also hot. Most women would want to be intimate with him.
Mooji. Sorry, no offense, but only reason he is successful is that he is adorable and cool and he has all the cool rasta thing going. Imagine if mooji had really dark skin, ugly and scary, not in a million years would he be successful. Most women wouldn't mind having sex with Mooji, but with a scary and ugly really black guy, no way.
Rupert Spira. Adorable, so gentle, so nice. Wonderful voice.
Ken Wilber. Too obvious. No explanation necessary.
That's just quick examples. Make no mistake it only comes down to this. That's bottom line.
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Post by andrew on Nov 25, 2013 14:39:57 GMT -5
You totally crack me up, JB. Love it. Packaging -- it's all about the packaging / marketing, heh. I'll have to check out Wilber -- haven't seen him. Well here's the virile Ken Wilbur in bed, stopping his brainwaves it's actually pretty cool, though I wouldn't know if it's true or not. Is this PIAD? I don't want to watch the video Max but did he slow his brain waves down? Like a delta wave or something?
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