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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 11:51:33 GMT -5
I am asking questions because I am interested in your understanding of your own actions.
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2013 11:55:56 GMT -5
I am asking questions because I am interested in your understanding of your own actions. o.k.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 12:05:53 GMT -5
I vote: "the gang" doesn't mock or ridicule anyone. they will however poke stories with a stick. but some don't like having their stories stuck, and will dig their heels in. some just let it go.
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Post by silver on Nov 22, 2013 12:12:52 GMT -5
I vote: "the gang" doesn't mock or ridicule anyone. they will however poke stories with a stick. but some don't like having their stories stuck, and will dig their heels in. some just let it go. The gang, huh? You're just imagining things.
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Post by andrew on Nov 22, 2013 12:14:18 GMT -5
Okay, so reading this thread Laughter, it seems to me you are less interested in understanding people's point of view on the subject and more interested in justifying your mocking. That's just what I see.
I am not asking for the mockery to stop on the forum. In the unmoderated section I would say that the freedom to mock goes with the territory. However, if something goes wrong (I will leave you to imagine a worse case scenario), does your spirituality enable you to just walk away saying...''it was nothing to do with me, it was the reader creating the meaning for themselves, it was them creating the sting''? Is that your spirituality?
I recall on another forum a chap that was quite 'volatile'. A lot of people reached out to him (I wasn't really one of them) and there was no mocking at all. One day he came on and said he was done with life and that he was going to kill himself. If I recall, the mods tried to track him down and I don't know what followed, but he came back in a couple of days saying that he was fine and had changed his mind. But for a while, there was a palpable sense on the forum of...''Oh. Sh/t.'' It was a cold dose of reality that we are actually talking to real people and there are real consequences.
I don't know...maybe your spirituality may shield you from experiencing a sense of 'I had a hand in that'...but as a human being, I doubt it. For your sake, be careful. You may think you know someone pretty well when you really don't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 12:23:47 GMT -5
I vote: "the gang" doesn't mock or ridicule anyone. they will however poke stories with a stick. but some don't like having their stories stuck, and will dig their heels in. some just let it go. The gang, huh? You're just imagining things. haha, yes, that's exactly where it came from must be your lucidity kicking in...
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Post by silver on Nov 22, 2013 12:26:49 GMT -5
The gang, huh? You're just imagining things. haha, yes, that's exactly where it came from must be your lucidity kicking in... It's about frickin' time! (And if I do catch one of those gang members, I'm gonna kick his behind and all will feel it!) (reverse magick)
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Post by silver on Nov 22, 2013 12:29:32 GMT -5
Yes, Andrew -- I hear that.
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2013 12:32:21 GMT -5
Okay, so reading this thread Laughter, it seems to me you are less interested in understanding people's point of view on the subject and more interested in justifying your mocking. That's just what I see. Uh-huh. Andy, I'm sorry but I simply place no value on that observation. I am not asking for the mockery to stop on the forum. In the unmoderated section I would say that the freedom to mock goes with the territory. However, if something goes wrong (I will leave you to imagine a worse case scenario), does your spirituality enable you to just walk away saying...''it was nothing to do with me, it was the reader creating the meaning for themselves, it was them creating the sting''? Is that your spirituality? "Your spirituality" is something that you're making up in your head. The very idea of it is chimera. I recall on another forum a chap that was quite 'volatile'. A lot of people reached out to him (I wasn't really one of them) and there was no mocking at all. One day he came on and said he was done with life and that he was going to kill himself. If I recall, the mods tried to track him down and I don't know what followed, but he came back in a couple of days saying that he was fine and had changed his mind. But for a while, there was a palpable sense on the forum of...''Oh. Sh/t.'' It was a cold dose of reality that we are actually talking to real people and there are real consequences. I don't know...maybe your spirituality may shield you from experiencing a sense of 'I had a hand in that'...but as a human being, I doubt it. For your sake, be careful. You may think you know someone pretty well when you really don't. Well, that's a game that anyone could play at anytime anywhere, now, isn't it? Did you read the OP? You didn't see that specific case addressed in it? I'd invite you to go back and look at the way Midnight was treated while he was here and what we've said about him since. The bottom line is that who can really say what exactly it is that would drive someone to harm themselves? Your hypo is a very unconvincing argument in weighing the facts that the potential user experience here at ST is one for adults, and there's no child-proofing the entire internet. You keep using the word "abuse". Care to get specific? What is it, exactly, that's subject to abuse?
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Post by andrew on Nov 22, 2013 12:47:17 GMT -5
Okay, so reading this thread Laughter, it seems to me you are less interested in understanding people's point of view on the subject and more interested in justifying your mocking. That's just what I see. Uh-huh. Andy, I'm sorry but I simply place no value on that observation. I am not asking for the mockery to stop on the forum. In the unmoderated section I would say that the freedom to mock goes with the territory. However, if something goes wrong (I will leave you to imagine a worse case scenario), does your spirituality enable you to just walk away saying...''it was nothing to do with me, it was the reader creating the meaning for themselves, it was them creating the sting''? Is that your spirituality? "Your spirituality" is something that you're making up in your head. The very idea of it is chimera. I recall on another forum a chap that was quite 'volatile'. A lot of people reached out to him (I wasn't really one of them) and there was no mocking at all. One day he came on and said he was done with life and that he was going to kill himself. If I recall, the mods tried to track him down and I don't know what followed, but he came back in a couple of days saying that he was fine and had changed his mind. But for a while, there was a palpable sense on the forum of...''Oh. Sh/t.'' It was a cold dose of reality that we are actually talking to real people and there are real consequences. I don't know...maybe your spirituality may shield you from experiencing a sense of 'I had a hand in that'...but as a human being, I doubt it. For your sake, be careful. You may think you know someone pretty well when you really don't. Well, that's a game that anyone could play at anytime anywhere, now, isn't it? Did you read the OP? You didn't see that specific case addressed in it? I'd invite you to go back and look at the way Midnight was treated while he was here and what we've said about him since. The bottom line is that who can really say what exactly it is that would drive someone to harm themselves? Your hypo is a very unconvincing argument in weighing the facts that the potential user experience here at ST is one for adults, and there's no child-proofing the entire internet. You keep using the word "abuse". Care to get specific? What is it, exactly, that's subject to abuse? I think Midnight was handled pretty well well by some and fairly poorly by others. You are still missing the point though. It doesn't matter that this forum is for adults, and I am not saying the mocking should stop. I'm saying that unless your spiritual philosophy is water tight, you are not going to feel great if someone that you have been mocking (that you THOUGHT you knew pretty well) comes to some harm. I hope you haven't totally abandoned the sense that your words and actions do have an affect on others. I don't have anything more to add on the subject really, so I will leave it there.
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2013 12:50:37 GMT -5
Uh-huh. Andy, I'm sorry but I simply place no value on that observation. "Your spirituality" is something that you're making up in your head. The very idea of it is chimera. Well, that's a game that anyone could play at anytime anywhere, now, isn't it? Did you read the OP? You didn't see that specific case addressed in it? I'd invite you to go back and look at the way Midnight was treated while he was here and what we've said about him since. The bottom line is that who can really say what exactly it is that would drive someone to harm themselves? Your hypo is a very unconvincing argument in weighing the facts that the potential user experience here at ST is one for adults, and there's no child-proofing the entire internet. You keep using the word "abuse". Care to get specific? What is it, exactly, that's subject to abuse? I think Midnight was handled pretty well well by some and fairly poorly by others. You are still missing the point though. It doesn't matter that this forum is for adults, and I am not saying the mocking should stop. I'm saying that unless your spiritual philosophy is water tight, you are not going to feel great if someone that you have been mocking (that you THOUGHT you knew pretty well) comes to some harm. I hope you haven't totally abandoned the sense that your words and actions do have an affect on others.
I don't have anything more to add on the subject really, so I will leave it there. With what I've underlined you provide an indirect answer to my question as to whether or not you read the OP. It seems that you didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 12:53:36 GMT -5
Now, this makes me *m.s.* - wheezy laughter escapes me. The thing is JB, you're insisting on playing the straight man in this type of episode, once again, and it's just dam.n funny. The insane clown posse over-the-top mocking is something that I find hard to witness, and evidently others here feel the same way -- I would venture to guess because it's on the extreme end of a scale of human behavior. This sh*t makes me feel like I'm in - or watching a play. Listen. Just because I make fun of people doesn't mean that others should make fun of me. I absolutely HATE HATE HATE it when people mock me. It's probably a trauma from childhood. I doubt that I will ever get over it. It's serious stuff for me. I admit that I am totally driven by ego. And that's the only reason why I mock and abuse people. See? This is what honesty looks like. But when other mock me then all of a sudden they say it's not ego, and they just try to cure me of me ego. Total bs. This is a spiritual forum. I expect better. Either be honest and say that you're just being a pos possessed by ego. Or if you have no ego, then just stop mocking me. It's that simple. Wait a second. Do you mind when anyone mocks you, with or without ego, or just when peeps professing no ego mock you? I don't see how it's really possible to discern whether someone is expressing something via ego or not. Best bet is to assume they are.
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Post by laughter on Nov 22, 2013 12:59:15 GMT -5
Listen. Just because I make fun of people doesn't mean that others should make fun of me. I absolutely HATE HATE HATE it when people mock me. It's probably a trauma from childhood. I doubt that I will ever get over it. It's serious stuff for me. I admit that I am totally driven by ego. And that's the only reason why I mock and abuse people. See? This is what honesty looks like. But when other mock me then all of a sudden they say it's not ego, and they just try to cure me of me ego. Total bs. This is a spiritual forum. I expect better. Either be honest and say that you're just being a pos possessed by ego. Or if you have no ego, then just stop mocking me. It's that simple. Wait a second. Do you mind when anyone mocks you, with or without ego, or just when peeps professing no ego mock you? I don't see how it's really possible to discern whether someone is expressing something via ego or not. Best bet is to assume they are.The duck test? Remember, the duck test is based entirely on appearances. In the "Socratic light most favorable" there was not a shred of reactivity in what Joey_Q wrote in the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 13:04:20 GMT -5
I vote: "the gang" doesn't mock or ridicule anyone. they will however poke stories with a stick. but some don't like having their stories stuck, and will dig their heels in. some just let it go. The thing is when heels get dug in, what's the point of poking anymore? Dug in heels is prime symptom #1 that poking ain't gonna go no where. So then if poking continues it seems more than likely it's not about airing out stories (a function I support) but about pleasure on the part of the poker. The poking that happens where someone digs in then takes a little time and then comes back and is like 'well that was funny' (regarding their own reaction) is very rare. You did it as I recall. Quinn is up for it. There are other examples. But for the most part that sort of airing out of stories is not really happening that much.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2013 13:12:04 GMT -5
Wait a second. Do you mind when anyone mocks you, with or without ego, or just when peeps professing no ego mock you? I don't see how it's really possible to discern whether someone is expressing something via ego or not. Best bet is to assume they are.The duck test? Remember, the duck test is based entirely on appearances. In the "Socratic light most favorable" there was not a shred of reactivity in what Joey_Q wrote in the thread. Is the "Socratic light most favorable" something commonly known? Also, duck test?? I see your point, I think. I hear JB saying that there's a pascal's wager going on. Basically, assume the speaker is suffering is the best bet. That's a very Buddhist approach. The argument can be made, however, that the mocking approach may be the quickest way to end suffering. Not sure it has much merit, though.
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