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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 29, 2013 11:34:32 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder! I'd probably be swimming in $100 dollar bills. That's an interesting correlation you are seeing there. I got it immediately (at least think I did). If he didn't have belief he would be straightforward a materialist, going for self, going for pleasure....stuff.....$$$$..... However, "belief" brings different priorities........ sdp
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 13:18:59 GMT -5
You sound like some of the folks around here who are preparing for their own death, or enlightenment. They want to be there to witness their own absence...hehe As impossible as it may seem, it's still believed to be true within the dream of me... Is "dream" your closes metaphor for reality? What is a dream? Isn't a dream made from light? Isn't light made up of .000000001% matter? The you who thinks they are a dreamer is a dream, it is an illusion... It is boundless Freedom contracted into an energetic configuration that we call a human being. Sooner or later that contracted energy dissipates and merges back into the boundlessness. It's not something you the illusory dreamer, can achieve or make Happen...
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 29, 2013 13:33:57 GMT -5
I got it immediately (at least think I did). If he didn't have belief he would be straightforward a materialist, going for self, going for pleasure....stuff.....$$$$..... However, "belief" brings different priorities........ sdp That's about it. When I was 16 I wasn't reading spiritual books. When I was growing up spiritual stuff wasn't an interest. I was reading Popular Mechanics, Boy's Life, Popular Science. I was interested in the advertising in the back. So I see spiritual as costing me a great deal. So when I hear or perceive "enlightenment" as something not that good it upsets me. Not so much now as before. It's like I could have taken a pill had a belly laugh and that's it just doesn't cut it. When I see people still going for the money after enlightenment makes me wonder if it's worth my investment. It's going to have to be pretty dam good to compare with what I've seemingly given up. Yea, I know these people who make out that enlightenment is like the prize in a box of Crackerjacks. People who value money haven't even had a taste of enlightenment. Money is just a means of getting through each day, food and clothes. Food and clothes are all you need to get through another day on the way to enlightenment. We each have to pay our own way in life, more than that is not absolutely necessary. If we have taken on responsibility, we have to pay for that too.....until the responsibility has ended. The spiritual costs everything. Jesus said that one soul is of more value that all the gold and silver and precious gems (implied) than the whole earth contains. There are many definitions of enlightenment. The person who says enlightenment is not of value, needs to get a new definition of enlightenment. But also, enlightenment might not be the end of the journey. The end of the journey is worth everything. Never give up. Never, never give up. Trouble is that for most people their internal guidance "mechanism" is broken. We don't know what to value. So, just keep looking. If you're not sure whether you have found it or not, you haven't. One wise spiritual dude said that ego/self(with a small s) is like a candle. A flame lights the candle and it burns until it burns up, no more candle. Your true self is what's left after all the wax has burned up. sdp
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2013 15:03:54 GMT -5
The you who thinks they are a dreamer is a dream, it is an illusion... It is boundless Freedom contracted into an energetic configuration that we call a human being. Sooner or later that contracted energy dissipates and merges back into the boundlessness.It's not something you the illusory dreamer, can achieve or make Happen... I'm not so sure everyone is going to "dissipate" back into boundlessness. We keep getting millions and millions more people coming from somewhere. And only a few ever get enlightened. Quite right because there is no everyone...there is just This. And not one person has ever found enlightenment...
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Post by Reefs on Nov 30, 2013 3:57:52 GMT -5
That's an interesting correlation you are seeing there. I got it immediately (at least think I did). If he didn't have belief he would be straightforward a materialist, going for self, going for pleasure....stuff.....$$$$..... However, "belief" brings different priorities........ sdp Ah, right. I forgot. He was the one who had those mental hiccups about money and Richistan and such.
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Post by Reefs on Nov 30, 2013 4:02:02 GMT -5
I got it immediately (at least think I did). If he didn't have belief he would be straightforward a materialist, going for self, going for pleasure....stuff.....$$$$..... However, "belief" brings different priorities........ sdp That's about it. When I was 16 I wasn't reading spiritual books. When I was growing up spiritual stuff wasn't an interest. I was reading Popular Mechanics, Boy's Life, Popular Science. I was interested in the advertising in the back. So I see spiritual as costing me a great deal. So when I hear or perceive "enlightenment" as something not that good it upsets me. Not so much now as before. It's like I could have taken a pill had a belly laugh and that's it just doesn't cut it. When I see people still going for the money after enlightenment makes me wonder if it's worth my investment. It's going to have to be pretty dam good to compare with what I've seemingly given up. Enlightenment as investment? $$$uper approach!
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Nov 30, 2013 6:59:35 GMT -5
That's about it. When I was 16 I wasn't reading spiritual books. When I was growing up spiritual stuff wasn't an interest. I was reading Popular Mechanics, Boy's Life, Popular Science. I was interested in the advertising in the back. So I see spiritual as costing me a great deal. So when I hear or perceive "enlightenment" as something not that good it upsets me. Not so much now as before. It's like I could have taken a pill had a belly laugh and that's it just doesn't cut it. When I see people still going for the money after enlightenment makes me wonder if it's worth my investment. It's going to have to be pretty dam good to compare with what I've seemingly given up. Enlightenment as investment? $$$uper approach! Of course. Everyone has limited time, attention and resources. Everyone every minute of every day, has to choose what they value most. Interests determines where you $pend your time, what you value. sdp
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2013 21:27:35 GMT -5
There is an author named Richard Bach that wrote a famous book called "Jonathan Livingston Seagull"...a very nice fast read btw....he wrote a lessor known book called "Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah.".....a very good read... I won't play spoiler but there is a part in the book that deals directly with that bolded bit ;-) Happy Thanksgiving SDP As an aside for everyone....probably the best works of fiction dealing with 'spiritual stuff' are Herman Hess's "Sidharta", and Richard Bach's two books: "Jonathan Livingston Seagull" (very uplifting), and "Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah"....the latter is probably the best for my buck ;-) Thanks Steve. I have read all three books, all many years ago. I'll find my copy of Reluctant Messiah and look at it again (read it in hardback when it first came out). (There have been movies made of both Siddharta and Jonathan Livingston Seagull. I thought it quite good, live-action seagulls, music by Neil Diamond. You never hear much about it, I've never seen it on TV........... I wore out several Jonathan Living Seagull T-shirts in the 70's, a single seagull on the front.......don't have one now. The story of how Jonathan Living Seagull was written is quite interesting also......probably online somewhere.......
Oh.....another side note, I've read several other Hesse books. My favorite is a little book called The Journey to the East.......
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Do you remember the scene in ILLUSIONS where the messiah character gets shot, what he said about the shooter?....kinda fits in with what you were saying about being 'that guy'. Its just speculation, but its likely that your souls have interacted through many lifetimes. Ever read the book: "Many Lives Many Masters" by Brian L. Weis M.D. ?
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