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Post by acewall on Nov 12, 2013 8:30:54 GMT -5
Oh so you're still in spiritual first grade? I don't go to spiritual school. where do you teach?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 12, 2013 8:38:08 GMT -5
I don't go to spiritual school. where do you teach? I don't teach.
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Post by silver on Nov 12, 2013 10:10:51 GMT -5
Yeah, but also like one is running out of time. but they do it for their Off-Spring... the children carry the torch an uphold the Family Crest... How else are they going to OWN-the WORLD? nite! Greed stems from fear that one will never ever have enough of X, Y, or Z. Bottomless pit of Fear deep deep inside. It's also a matter of degrees amongst individuals. Greed is also fear of loss of Control, perhaps?
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 11:45:45 GMT -5
From my experience, problems will exist in the world as long as you're looking for something to fix. Situations may still arise that require your involvement, and what looks like helping may be a part of that, but its just doing what needs to be done. Last year some time I spent half an hour trying to help some guy who's car had broken down and I ended up towing him to the next town. I wasn't doing that to help, I did it because that was what was right in front of me that needed to be done right then. Two years ago I was very sick with a chronic illness. I went through untold ick during that time and some drastic changes happened; but again I just did what I needed to do with no hope of getting better. I know this can sound paradoxical - the world is perfect as it is, but you still do things to fix the so-called problems of the world - but that seems to be the way things are. If you want to set yourself up in opposition to the way things are, then perhaps you need to get yourself a comfy chair and something to drink, because you're in for an awfully long show. I think I see things as they are. I not opposing anything. Everybody thinks they see things as they are. If they didn't, they would be recognizing that things are actually different than they appear, and believing that's how things really are. The only thing you can know is that you don't know.
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 11:47:07 GMT -5
Choices can never happen in the future, they are only made in the right now....so it doesn't matter if you have a million years. If you are a procrastinator, then you are a procrastinator. An eternity is not enough for a procrastinator to 'get stuff done', because a procrastinator is always living in an imagined future that will NEVER arrive in the now. Also, you cannot stop being a procrastinator in the future, even if you have 100,000,000 years, you can only stop being a procrastinator in this moment. What is tomorrow? Wednesday.
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 11:50:37 GMT -5
Checking out of physical reality apparently happens, what doesn't happen is a me, I or self that makes that choice.. Free choice is apparently happening but there is nobody making it? If you didn't believe yourself to be a free chooser, free choice wouldn't appear to be happening. What appears is the reflection of your own belief.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 12:18:09 GMT -5
Free choice is apparently happening but there is nobody making it? If you didn't believe yourself to be a free chooser, free choice wouldn't appear to be happening. What appears is the reflection of your own belief. There IS only Liberation, and there IS only what's happening... Liberation isn't constrained by beliefs, that's why it's called Liberation... What appears is not the reflection of the belief of an illusory separate self. What appears is Liberation pretending to be a separate person with free choice.
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 12:19:16 GMT -5
dont think so... Greed is more like Ignorance of Self. Fear of lack, which is tied to fear of loss, which is associated with fear of death, which is all part of the paradigm of a separate self.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 12:32:46 GMT -5
Checking out of physical reality apparently happens, what doesn't happen is a me, I or self that makes that choice.. Free choice is apparently happening but there is nobody making it? Me is living a dream called It is real, and within the dream, choices are apparently being made by the individual. In reality there is just what's Happening and the individual believes that what's Happening is happening to them and by them. Me takes ownership of what's Happening. If pain arises, the individual says my pain. If a thought arises, the individual says my thought. If a feelings arise, the individual says my feelings. Anything can arise but it is arising in Liberation. And one of the things that arises is the dream of a real me that has free will, choice and volition... It's an illusion...
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 12:38:24 GMT -5
If you didn't believe yourself to be a free chooser, free choice wouldn't appear to be happening. What appears is the reflection of your own belief. There IS only Liberation, and there IS only what's happening... Liberation isn't constrained by beliefs, that's why it's called Liberation... What appears is not the reflection of the belief of an illusory separate self. What appears is Liberation pretending to be a separate person with free choice. You're personalizing "Liberation" as a pretender that isn't constrained by beliefs. I'd like to have a word with this Liberation dude.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 12:55:22 GMT -5
There IS only Liberation, and there IS only what's happening... Liberation isn't constrained by beliefs, that's why it's called Liberation... What appears is not the reflection of the belief of an illusory separate self. What appears is Liberation pretending to be a separate person with free choice. You're personalizing "Liberation" as a pretender that isn't constrained by beliefs. I'd like to have a word with this Liberation dude. They are just words and in this sense words are used to indicate something that is beyond the words.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 13:04:00 GMT -5
You're personalizing "Liberation" as a pretender that isn't constrained by beliefs. I'd like to have a word with this Liberation dude. They are just words and in this sense words are used to indicate something that is beyond the words. Ever since Lao Tse The ineffable exit sign has brightly shone Through that door A hall of text In Case of Fire' cabinet A canvas hose coiled Two large teeth Serpentine tongue flicking Keep going There is one more door
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 13:57:24 GMT -5
dont think so... Greed is more like Ignorance of Self. Yes fear of death is also ignorance of self
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 14:35:44 GMT -5
dont think so... Greed is more like Ignorance of Self. Yes fear of death is also ignorance of self Yeah, it's something the mind is quite fond of...
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Post by earnest on Nov 12, 2013 14:51:52 GMT -5
From my experience, problems will exist in the world as long as you're looking for something to fix. Situations may still arise that require your involvement, and what looks like helping may be a part of that, but its just doing what needs to be done. Last year some time I spent half an hour trying to help some guy who's car had broken down and I ended up towing him to the next town. I wasn't doing that to help, I did it because that was what was right in front of me that needed to be done right then. Two years ago I was very sick with a chronic illness. I went through untold ick during that time and some drastic changes happened; but again I just did what I needed to do with no hope of getting better. I know this can sound paradoxical - the world is perfect as it is, but you still do things to fix the so-called problems of the world - but that seems to be the way things are. If you want to set yourself up in opposition to the way things are, then perhaps you need to get yourself a comfy chair and something to drink, because you're in for an awfully long show. I think I see things as they are. I not opposing anything. You said greed was unacceptable
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