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Post by quinn on Nov 11, 2013 9:01:30 GMT -5
Speaking of opinions... I think questions are an excellent way to go. They're like path-markers. My questions are going to be different from your questions because they're indicating what's going on in my mind-scape. The really COOL thing about a question is that the answer is right there along with it. But until the question gets asked, the answer is in some nebulous mind-cloud. The tricky part is to let the answer 'arrive' without trying to manipulate the process. ok, here's my question. where do I find those askasic-records that esoteric people speak-about? You'll need to ask the esoteric people. I don't know any...sorry. Why do you want to find them?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 12:36:00 GMT -5
I don't really have a meditation or samadhi 'schedule'....its more organic than that, in that most of the waking hours are in a kind of continuous flowung meditation practice, that shifts from activity to activity, and frequently opens into a state of relative Samadhi. I probably make around 15-20 posts a day here, which accounts for about 30-40 minutes broken up into 2-10 mi ute 'intervels'....meaning, my time apent here doesn't create a scheduling conflict lol. I don't do a lot of thread following, as the bulk of most threads are a kind of bickering that I don't bother to read, so its easy to soend a minute skimming through or more typically, just tesponding to the posts that show me "quoted" in the notification tab. Regarding questions and answers, U.G. Seemed to have a firm footing (so to speak) in 'not knowing'. 'Not knowing' doesn't open into too many questions lol And no questions doesn't leave one with too many answers. Well, we could call U.G. opinionated. Haha, but from what I've seen, he was mostly opinionated about the uselessness of knowing and answers, especially answer from a guru, or himself lol
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Post by laughter on Nov 11, 2013 17:48:16 GMT -5
Possible distinctions concerning various activities under discussion? Formal meditation: setting aside a specific period of time each day to purposefully shift attention away from thoughts to silence or what can be seen, heard, felt, etc. Informal meditation: purposefully shifting attention away from thoughts any time it is remembered to do so, and for no specific length of time. Life without a sense of individual doership: Sometimes the body/mind thinks, and sometimes it silently interacts with the world without the sense that there is "someone" doing anything or making anything happen. Contemplation: Silently bearing in mind anything that the body/mind wants to know. As far as sitting goes I'd have to characterize my practice as falling somewhere between formal and informal. There's this bench alongside a running track where I first fell into it and I almost always sit there after a run. Within the past two years+ there've been spurts where I'll sit in the morning after stretching. None of this is on a set schedule, and I can go a significant period of time between sits on one hand and there are these sporadic spurts where I'm sitting twice a day for weeks at a time on the other. I know that there are at least two stories that can project onto this scenario. One is that I'm just lazy and undisciplined, and the other is that I'm spouting some of the most pretentious and insufferable neo-ad crap that it's possible to spout. Ain't gonna claim either of those, ain't gonna deny'em either. What I do is just to sit quietly, alternating between eyes open, hands together in a diamond on my lap and eyes closed and palms turned up on my knees. The resulting experience varies quite a bit. Something you said a few months back really rezzed: "no two meditations are ever alike", and while sometimes (and it seems to trend toward greater frequency over time) the mind goes very silent immediately on closing the eyes, other times I can sit for what for me is a long time (like 30 mins) and the surface never really settles. When there is mental noise I'll fall back into a visualization based on this: Try a little experiment. Close your eyes and say to yourself: "I wonder what my next thought is going to be." Then become very alert and wait for the next thought. Be like a cat watching a mouse hole. What thought is going to come out of the mousehole? Try it now.-- "The Power of Now", chapter 5 paragraph 3 According to E', and I think also Steve, this can be characterized as "placing attention on attention". Be that as it may, seems to me that the inception of the practice was following along with the Elf there, as what he's offering is a subtle and somewhat disguised invitation into an act of meditation. About a year and a half ago, when I first started participating here, I had a renewed interest and a sort of resolve toward the moment-by-moment version of this, what Tolle prescribes as "Watching The Thinker", as memorialized herein. As I've shared at the time, ATA and "non-abidance in mind" are both effective and powerful pointers that have been incorporated and have shaped that facet of practice. Investigating what Silence and Reefs have to say about such practice for myself led to an embodied understanding that I can only express by a statement of paradox: no practice that involves effort is really worthy of the name. Mind reasserts it's dominance sometimes, there's no denying that, but what is also undeniable is that every now and then, inevitably, this is noticed. Sitting happens, seemingly deliberate watching, in a sort of sentinel mode, happens, as does the random moment when I just look up at the sky or up from what I'm doing or at my wife or at a cat or a squirrel or whatever ... and know, in that sublime eternal instant of free-fall, that nothing happens, never has, and nothing ever will.
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Post by earnest on Nov 11, 2013 20:03:36 GMT -5
Nicely put Laughter.
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Post by earnest on Nov 11, 2013 20:03:59 GMT -5
Nicely put Laughter.
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Post by acewall on Nov 11, 2013 20:29:30 GMT -5
ok, here's my question. where do I find those askasic-records that esoteric people speak-about? You'll need to ask the esoteric people. I don't know any...sorry. Why do you want to find them? Sorry never did it for me. Without 'curiosity' how can one liberate themselves from mental concepts?
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Post by laughter on Nov 12, 2013 0:37:50 GMT -5
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Post by quinn on Nov 12, 2013 7:12:36 GMT -5
You'll need to ask the esoteric people. I don't know any...sorry. Why do you want to find them? Sorry never did it for me. Without 'curiosity' how can one liberate themselves from mental concepts? I agree. And I'm curious about what it is you're interested in with akashic records. Maybe I'll learn something from our exchange, or see something differently. The way I understand it is that some people report having access to these records - usually after a NDE, but I think some just 'travel' there on their own maybe? And that it's a record of all karmic incarnations since the beginning of time. That's about all I know - feel free to correct me if I have it wrong. What I don't understand is - what would that tell you that you would need to know? I suspect there are many many planes of existence and one could spend a lifetime exploring them.
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Post by acewall on Nov 12, 2013 7:42:33 GMT -5
Sorry never did it for me. Without 'curiosity' how can one liberate themselves from mental concepts? I agree. And I'm curious about what it is you're interested in with akashic records. Maybe I'll learn something from our exchange, or see something differently. The way I understand it is that some people report having access to these records - usually after a NDE, but I think some just 'travel' there on their own maybe? And that it's a record of all karmic incarnations since the beginning of time. That's about all I know - feel free to correct me if I have it wrong. What I don't understand is - what would that tell you that you would need to know? I suspect there are many many planes of existence and one could spend a lifetime exploring them. thanks. re curious first... Having been approached by charged-memory,(in the past)and having soul-ejections(in the past) Iam currently wanting to add credability as well as humanise a mis-understood childs story(1843-4) I am a writer. The records appear to me to be surrounding the Globe, in the ethers(what do the schools say???) The learning we can both benefit is in mental-knowledge realm only... Actual knowledge arises from the 'event' that one experiences-themselves(if ever) At the time I didnt have the need to investigate this realm as in 'my-time' my interest was focussed in self-realisation; Now I am researching for creative-writing purposes. What I don't understand is - what would that tell you that you would need to know?" I wasnt seeking the trippyness of astral(soul)projection at the time. Accidents-happen. Some generated in meditation, some thro sleep/dream awareness,once thro strong desire to be with somebody who was in emence emotional turmoil, due to lossing their Baby. That kind of thing. People that are using the recovery of records usually do so to gain insight an direction in their present life by revisting the lessons of having lived before. Yes... there are many planes of existance one can visit. Krishna Conciousness has tabulated that area. Good luck. Here's another question for you, "What is your Power?"
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Post by quinn on Nov 12, 2013 15:46:41 GMT -5
People that are using the recovery of records usually do so to gain insight an direction in their present life by revisting the lessons of having lived before. Yes, that's what I figure most people are interested in it for. There are some pretty fascinating stories of people being 'healed' this way. Or with past-life regression. I went to a hypnotist years ago to help quit smoking and that was the basic idea (except this life only) - go back and look at the same circumstances with fresh eyes. Arghh! There's that "power" word again! And you capitalized it...so I have a feeling you mean something specific. Can I ask you first - what do you mean by the word Power? Life-force? Ability to influence others? Strength?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 17:12:41 GMT -5
What is ATA please?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 17:40:08 GMT -5
It's an acronym for the dualistic practice of Attending To the Actual...
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Post by silence on Nov 12, 2013 18:58:56 GMT -5
Is that you Swansong? Just kidding . It's a practice of paying attention to everything but thought.
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Post by acewall on Nov 12, 2013 21:23:52 GMT -5
People that are using the recovery of records usually do so to gain insight an direction in their present life by revisting the lessons of having lived before. Yes, that's what I figure most people are interested in it for. There are some pretty fascinating stories of people being 'healed' this way. Or with past-life regression. I went to a hypnotist years ago to help quit smoking and that was the basic idea (except this life only) - go back and look at the same circumstances with fresh eyes. Arghh! There's that "power" word again! And you capitalized it...so I have a feeling you mean something specific. Can I ask you first - what do you mean by the word Power? Life-force? Ability to influence others? Strength? GLAD you choose the hypnotist with intelligence and have benefitted from you outside help excusion. You can train your mind to cool-it(fear)an do your own housework. It is debatable about the authenticity about PLife regression, but as a healing modality, it is a greatway to cleanse the subconcious of repressed emotion, clearing the way of debri so that one can touch ground zero. "What is your Power?" yes, I Am is specific; unless we speak rootbase word-meanings in our daily life, we can become dettached from ourself and speak like Govt rep do, perpetually lying and fooling the people. The meaning of the Word power is revealled, when you give Power to a Thought. If one turns within to find the answer to the quest, one is confronting their Power. By going deeper than ever before, one will sooner or later have direct-relationship with their Power and thus Know What the answer is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2013 1:37:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanations of ATA.
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