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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 5:09:17 GMT -5
Don't you think everybody would 'embrace joy' if they could? They can....its a choice, a selection ;-) As an aside....the peace and bliss/joy that comes from meditation does swing back to sorrow....and the more you meditate the more the joy/bliss builds and sustains They can't. If you are down there in depression and grief then embracing joy sounds like a sarcastic joke.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 5:09:58 GMT -5
I guess it depends on eggzacly what one means by that, but in general I say no. Lots of meditators experience bliss, and then lose it, and it pretty much dualistically sucks. Joy is typically defined as the dualistic opposite to sorrow. If you were to refer the Peace that passeth all understandingeth, I would agree. Vigyan Bhairav Tantra: 9. ... suck something and become the sucking.
The smokers guide to enlightenment?
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 5:24:31 GMT -5
Were you a life coach or something? Its really hard to describe my job...it was a on ongoing joke in our trade about when people asked us "what we do ". Certainly there where aspects of life coaching. My job title was Senior Business Analyst, but the ongoing joke was that our job title should be Business Psychoanalyst lol If you have ever seen the HBO series "House of Lies"....my job was Marty Khan's job. Only I wasn't a ruthless lier like that guy ;-) And all my clients were small and mid-sized clients with annual sales between 5 and 150 million...though I did have a few large public companies. In a small to mid-sized privately owned company, the owner/operator is the king of their own kingdom, and the business is just an extension of their personality and desires, so the top analysts always went to the heart of the matter, and learned how to "peel back the layers" of the business owner before they even started peeling back the layers of the business. For the client, the process ended up being a very deep process of self review. Most of my clients described our first few days together as "life changing". Fundamentally it was a process of the client seeing exactly who they are and what they want, and how those things effect their little kingdom positively and negatively. No stone was left unturned...we talked about everything from sales strategy, to spiritual outlook, to their sex life with their spouse. If the first few days go well, the interview is a kind of awakening for the client, in that they are becoming conscious of aspects of themselves that caused them to do both good and bad things in how they set up their business in a kind of sleep, or autopilot. A good analysis "wakes the client up" from habitual doing, to conscious doing in their biz. A good job title might be: "An agent of change and awakening" Though that still doesn't quiet capture it. If you were to somehow meld Marty Khan with the Existential Detectives" in "I heart Huckabees" you would have a fair idea of what I did ;-) lol ;-)
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 5:25:31 GMT -5
Ultimately, the one with the negative mental outlook is likely to become even more negative when they can't simply change their outlook on a whim and decide to change their beliefs on a drop of a hat. That's right. Just hafta ask all those folks that did 'LOA work' and failed miserably.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 5:28:37 GMT -5
the joyous embrace the misery in their lives The joyous don't see misery.
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 26, 2013 6:13:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. the joyous embrace the misery in their lives The joyous don't see misery. Denial is a functional fantasy.. for those compassionless folks that offer nothing but empty platitudes.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Oct 26, 2013 10:00:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. The joyous don't see misery. Denial is a functional fantasy.. for those compassionless folks that offer nothing but empty platitudes.. Be well.. If you're experiencing misery, you're not experiencing joy, by definition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2013 11:17:08 GMT -5
It's not that they can't seemingly choose an opposite belief to the negative belief that they hold. The problem is in the belief that they have a choice to be separate from God in the first place, which they don't. The only way to heal that problem is to decide that there is nothing to decide. It's all been given to us through God's decision, his will, and it can't be undone by deciding that you can be separate. Why do I feel like I'm responding to regurgitated text? Don't resist the feeling, you'll just keep perpetuating it...
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 11:28:53 GMT -5
Greetings.. Denial is a functional fantasy.. for those compassionless folks that offer nothing but empty platitudes.. Be well.. If you're experiencing misery, you're not experiencing joy, by definition. If you're reading one of Tzu's posts, you're reading still mind clarity, by definition.
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Post by enigma on Oct 26, 2013 11:36:12 GMT -5
If you're experiencing misery, you're not experiencing joy, by definition. If you're reading one of Tzu's posts, you're reading still mind clarity, by definition. Riiiiiight.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 26, 2013 11:42:57 GMT -5
If you're reading one of Tzu's posts, you're reading still mind clarity, by definition. Riiiiiight. And if you are disagreeing with Tzu, you are lacking still mind clarity, by definition.
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 26, 2013 11:48:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Denial is a functional fantasy.. for those compassionless folks that offer nothing but empty platitudes.. Be well.. If you're experiencing misery, you're not experiencing joy, by definition. By 'your' definition.. you're an either/or kinda guy, not quite capable of the complete perspective.. you preach 'oneness' but demonstrate the actuality of duality.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Oct 26, 2013 12:16:49 GMT -5
If you're reading one of Tzu's posts, you're reading still mind clarity, by definition. Riiiiiight.
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Post by enigma on Oct 26, 2013 17:55:56 GMT -5
Riiiiiight. And if you are disagreeing with Tzu, you are lacking still mind clarity, by definition. But he does have a lot of patience in trying to teach me in spite of how dense I am, so we hafta give him credit for that.
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Post by enigma on Oct 26, 2013 18:00:03 GMT -5
Greetings.. If you're experiencing misery, you're not experiencing joy, by definition. By 'your' definition.. you're an either/or kinda guy, not quite capable of the complete perspective.. you preach 'oneness' but demonstrate the actuality of duality.. Be well.. Of course it's duality. We're talking about experiencing joy and misery. Is there something that isn't dualistic about that?
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