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Post by silence on Oct 24, 2013 17:35:47 GMT -5
Ultimately, the one with the negative mental outlook is likely to become even more negative when they can't simply change their outlook on a whim and decide to change their beliefs on a drop of a hat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 18:06:08 GMT -5
Ultimately, the one with the negative mental outlook is likely to become even more negative when they can't simply change their outlook on a whim and decide to change their beliefs on a drop of a hat. It's not that they can't change their minds and therefore change the world... It's the belief that the world is the cause of their problems that they can't change.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 18:29:27 GMT -5
Ultimately, the one with the negative mental outlook is likely to become even more negative when they can't simply change their outlook on a whim and decide to change their beliefs on a drop of a hat. Haha....well thats a fairly negative view of an imagined possibility. If you are going to be engaged in imagining Ultimate Likelihoods, you can just as easily imagine a positive one as a negative one :-) Its a choice that you can select if you remain conscious of what you are imagining ;-) Imagining a negative outcome never made anyone happier or more content....or more at peace.
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Post by silence on Oct 24, 2013 20:38:52 GMT -5
Ultimately, the one with the negative mental outlook is likely to become even more negative when they can't simply change their outlook on a whim and decide to change their beliefs on a drop of a hat. Haha....well thats a fairly negative view of an imagined possibility. If you are going to be engaged in imagining Ultimate Likelihoods, you can just as easily imagine a positive one as a negative one :-) Its a choice that you can select if you remain conscious of what you are imagining ;-) Imagining a negative outcome never made anyone happier or more content....or more at peace. You're playing word games. I'm saying people with a "negative" outlook see things that way because of the beliefs they hold. They also can not decide to believe the opposite because someone tells them it will help them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 20:41:13 GMT -5
Haha....well thats a fairly negative view of an imagined possibility. If you are going to be engaged in imagining Ultimate Likelihoods, you can just as easily imagine a positive one as a negative one :-) Its a choice that you can select if you remain conscious of what you are imagining ;-) Imagining a negative outcome never made anyone happier or more content....or more at peace. You're playing word games. I'm saying people with a "negative" outlook see things that way because of the beliefs they hold. They also can not decide to believe the opposite because someone tells them it will help them. Do some experimenting, and see if that is true or not.... But a little advice... Go into the experimentation with a positive outlook that consciously changing beliefs IS possible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 20:49:19 GMT -5
Haha....well thats a fairly negative view of an imagined possibility. If you are going to be engaged in imagining Ultimate Likelihoods, you can just as easily imagine a positive one as a negative one :-) Its a choice that you can select if you remain conscious of what you are imagining ;-) Imagining a negative outcome never made anyone happier or more content....or more at peace. You're playing word games. I'm saying people with a "negative" outlook see things that way because of the beliefs they hold. They also can not decide to believe the opposite because someone tells them it will help them. I use to believe that, then somebody told me something different, and I changed my belief. I'm not playing with words, just putting forth some of the common sense that you have spoken about before :-)
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Post by acewall on Oct 24, 2013 21:15:12 GMT -5
no-self saves the day again? The it is the self, as that's the only it capable of encompassing the attendant, the camel, the sand, the sun, the mirage ... so no IT nothing predominant and nothing yet to be discovered by science one retains their original creator-status and that's it?
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Post by acewall on Oct 24, 2013 21:31:40 GMT -5
You're playing word games. I'm saying people with a "negative" outlook see things that way because of the beliefs they hold. They also can not decide to believe the opposite because someone tells them it will help them. I use to believe that, then somebody told me something different, and I changed my belief. I'm not playing with words, just putting forth some of the common sense that you have spoken about before :-) belief is the same whether it is positive or negative... belief is simply attachment to mental concept. Disrobe beliefs to see clearly, as you did immediately after birth. ie, wtf is going-on round here in these adults?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 21:42:27 GMT -5
I use to believe that, then somebody told me something different, and I changed my belief. I'm not playing with words, just putting forth some of the common sense that you have spoken about before :-) belief is the same whether it is positive or negative... belief is simply attachment to mental concept. Disrobe beliefs to see clearly, as you did immediately after birth. ie, wtf is going-on round here in these adults? We're always seeing clearly, whats happening is: Whats Happening
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2013 22:04:46 GMT -5
Haha....well thats a fairly negative view of an imagined possibility. If you are going to be engaged in imagining Ultimate Likelihoods, you can just as easily imagine a positive one as a negative one :-) Its a choice that you can select if you remain conscious of what you are imagining ;-) Imagining a negative outcome never made anyone happier or more content....or more at peace. You're playing word games. I'm saying people with a "negative" outlook see things that way because of the beliefs they hold. They also can not decide to believe the opposite because someone tells them it will help them. It's not that they can't seemingly choose an opposite belief to the negative belief that they hold. The problem is in the belief that they have a choice to be separate from God in the first place, which they don't. The only way to heal that problem is to decide that there is nothing to decide. It's all been given to us through God's decision, his will, and it can't be undone by deciding that you can be separate.
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Post by lolly on Oct 24, 2013 23:06:30 GMT -5
the joyous embrace the misery in their lives
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Post by enigma on Oct 24, 2013 23:32:42 GMT -5
I think it's normal to be delusional. The 'natural state' seems to be equanimity, which remains in balance in spite of the dualistic movements toward positive and negative. It is merely survival instincts, hard wired or what-ever - instincts don't have to explain themselves -- they work. That's enough. You think too much, froggie. Thinking positively is survival instinct? How do you figure?
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Post by lolly on Oct 24, 2013 23:32:57 GMT -5
What we call a 'belief' is partial to a system of beliefs, and no part of that system can be changed without altering the rest of it. If then one 'chooses' to change one aspect, they may find that they can not, because it is incongruent with the system as a whole.
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Post by enigma on Oct 24, 2013 23:41:21 GMT -5
I don't buy addiction to suffering or neuro-peptides or habit. You talk about mind like a broken machine. Nah....no "broken machine"....just isness. The physical function of addiction via peptides and peptide receptors is well documented with observational science ;-) do you not "buy" that the earth is round and rotates around the sun also hehehe I don't have an issue with science. What I have an issue with is describing "isness" in terms of neuro-peptides.
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Post by silver on Oct 24, 2013 23:46:35 GMT -5
It is merely survival instincts, hard wired or what-ever - instincts don't have to explain themselves -- they work. That's enough. You think too much, froggie. Thinking positively is survival instinct? How do you figure? I realize it's hard for you to understand that. It's not a given, I don't have stats or anything like that, but I think steve posted a link or links to something about that, I'm not sure.... I do have an example: I grew up with my grandmother (mother's side) and my father, who were both individuals who lived through the Great Depression. People back then helped one another, which I think is a positive attitude/frame of mind. Helping each other certainly can't be put under any other umbrella but positive thinking. Lots of people I've met over the years are stingy and selfish, and wouldn't help anybody and things have gotten to a point where people are afraid to be 'taken' advantage of, you know what I mean? And now, times are tough and people that didn't grow up in those hard times are more negative and we see an awful lot of people becoming full of despair and finding themselves isolated. I know this is a long example, but I think there's some truth to the positive thinking thing in here. It's just one example.
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