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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 18:48:56 GMT -5
Impersonal doesn't mean 'not meant personally'. It means that which is true is not about falsity. That which is actual is not about illusion. Genuine Love does not move in a personal way. Personal love is a reflection in a distorted mirror; truth seen through a glass darkly. It will bring with it it's cruel mate, without which it cannot live. In the absolute sense. If you do not feel the body's nervous system. But as long as you are connected to the body and we are connected because we use it for communication. We have to poop and pee. If a person is beyond the physical/personal they probably would be dead. Even if one is disassociated from the body and are only observing it, personal love is needed for our offspring's survival. One woman is different from another woman. Love has to include the personal because we have to interact. There are two kinds of Love...Big Mind Love or God's Love, or Impersonal Love, etc, etc,... Then there is the Small Mind Love, or the Ego's Love, or Personal Love, etc, etc,... From the second group we seek from others what we feel is 'lacking' in ourselves, IOW we 'Love' others in an attempt to get 'Love' for ourselves... From the first group 'Love' is incapable of asking for anything because 'Love' is all there is...
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Post by enigma on Oct 13, 2013 18:53:49 GMT -5
Impersonal doesn't mean 'not meant personally'. It means that which is true is not about falsity. That which is actual is not about illusion. Genuine Love does not move in a personal way. Personal love is a reflection in a distorted mirror; truth seen through a glass darkly. It will bring with it it's cruel mate, without which it cannot live. In the absolute sense. If you do not feel the body's nervous system. But as long as you are connected to the body and we are connected because we use it for communication. We have to poop and pee. If a person is beyond the physical/personal they probably would be dead. Even if one is disassociated from the body and are only observing it, personal love is needed for our offspring's survival. One woman is different from another woman. Love has to include the personal because we have to interact. There's no problem acting or interacting from an impersonal perspective. It does not deny the mind/body, the individuated expression and it's needs. It honors all expressions as it's own. I would expect you to embrace the impersonal as the personal is the source of all selfishness, greed and cruelty. Personal love is conditional on you fulfilling my personal needs, and why should you?
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Post by enigma on Oct 13, 2013 19:07:39 GMT -5
In the absolute sense. If you do not feel the body's nervous system. But as long as you are connected to the body and we are connected because we use it for communication. We have to poop and pee. If a person is beyond the physical/personal they probably would be dead. Even if one is disassociated from the body and are only observing it, personal love is needed for our offspring's survival. One woman is different from another woman. Love has to include the personal because we have to interact. There are two kinds of Love...Big Mind Love or God's Love, or Impersonal Love, etc, etc,... Then there is the Small Mind Love, or the Ego's Love, or Personal Love, etc, etc,... From the second group we seek from others what we feel is 'lacking' in ourselves, IOW we 'Love' others in an attempt to get 'Love' for ourselves... From the first group 'Love' is incapable of asking for anything because 'Love' is all there is... Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 19:21:39 GMT -5
There are two kinds of Love...Big Mind Love or God's Love, or Impersonal Love, etc, etc,... Then there is the Small Mind Love, or the Ego's Love, or Personal Love, etc, etc,... From the second group we seek from others what we feel is 'lacking' in ourselves, IOW we 'Love' others in an attempt to get 'Love' for ourselves... From the first group 'Love' is incapable of asking for anything because 'Love' is all there is... Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name. Of course by "willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation" you really mean the death of the small mind, or the death of the Ego, or the death of the personal, death, death, death...
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Post by silver on Oct 13, 2013 20:28:56 GMT -5
Only when the lion lies down with the lamb shall the great forgiveness plan take form and shape but, it is not to be... Forgiveness - the greatest chimera.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 20:43:25 GMT -5
Impersonal doesn't mean 'not meant personally'. It means that which is true is not about falsity. That which is actual is not about illusion. Genuine Love does not move in a personal way. Personal love is a reflection in a distorted mirror; truth seen through a glass darkly. It will bring with it it's cruel mate, without which it cannot live. In the absolute sense. If you do not feel the body's nervous system. But as long as you are connected to the body and we are connected because we use it for communication. We have to poop and pee. If a person is beyond the physical/personal they probably would be dead. Even if one is disassociated from the body and are only observing it, personal love is needed for our offspring's survival. One woman is different from another woman. Love has to include the personal because we have to interact. Love is different for me now than it use to be when I was younger. Love as most folks experience it is a mix of physical lust and an emotional gratification that comes from a specific person having an image of ourselves that we really like. Said another way....we can develop two self images for ourselves, there is the "ideal" self, that has all the characteristics that we imagine to be good or great, and there is the "bad" self that has all the characteristics that we abhor in our behaviors and personality. We tend to "love" folks that see us how we want to be, meaning that to the degree that another person sees us and makes us feel like our "ideal" self, we love them...and those that reflect back to us the personality and behavioral charactistics that we abhor, we abhor them. In most cases, we feel love for those that see us how we want to see ourselves, this kind of love is inherently based on a kind of lie, and requires a kind of continuation of lieing to maintain.... This kind of love is based on the false and the imagined, and is only maintained by the false and the imagined. But there is another kind of love that I am experiencing lately, it is the love of seeing the grace of god in everything and everyone in an absolute oneness. In this kind of love there can be know lies, in that there is no point in lie-ing, because its all god, and what point is there for one aspect of god to lie to another, in fact, one CANNOT lie to god, because god is the lier and the person being lied to, so god sees the lie, now matter how one may delude themslves otherwise. This kind of love is the most honest kind of love, the love of an absolute oness that leaves no room for an illusion of a self that is separated from the other, and this kind of love is free of all the mechanations that the illusoin of separateness engenders.
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 13, 2013 20:53:35 GMT -5
Greetings.. In the absolute sense. If you do not feel the body's nervous system. But as long as you are connected to the body and we are connected because we use it for communication. We have to poop and pee. If a person is beyond the physical/personal they probably would be dead. Even if one is disassociated from the body and are only observing it, personal love is needed for our offspring's survival. One woman is different from another woman. Love has to include the personal because we have to interact. There's no problem acting or interacting from an impersonal perspective. It does not deny the mind/body, the individuated expression and it's needs. It honors all expressions as it's own. I would expect you to embrace the impersonal as the personal is the source of all selfishness, greed and cruelty. Personal love is conditional on you fulfilling my personal needs, and why should you? What you "expect" is that people believe what you say, rather than see/experience for themselves.. the source of "all selfishness, greed and cruelty" is misunderstanding the relationship between what you label 'personal/impersonal'.. both personal and impersonal are equally beneficial to the experiencer capable of clarity, but to those with attachments to either there will be selfishness, greed and cruelty manifested by the attachment.. even attachment to beliefs 'about' love breed the misunderstandings you describe as "fulfilling personal needs", the artificial separation you describe as 'personal/impersonal' is the source of your misunderstanding.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Oct 14, 2013 1:08:52 GMT -5
Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name. Of course by "willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation" you really mean the death of the small mind, or the death of the Ego, or the death of the personal, death, death, death... Well, it's a bit less dramatic than all that.
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Post by tcejer on Oct 14, 2013 1:24:31 GMT -5
There are two kinds of Love...Big Mind Love or God's Love, or Impersonal Love, etc, etc,... Then there is the Small Mind Love, or the Ego's Love, or Personal Love, etc, etc,... From the second group we seek from others what we feel is 'lacking' in ourselves, IOW we 'Love' others in an attempt to get 'Love' for ourselves... From the first group 'Love' is incapable of asking for anything because 'Love' is all there is... Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name. Love 'moves' whether or not there is something in the way. The fact that we may lack appreciation of this reality is not a statement against love, but against our dysfunctional perception. So it is something in the way of our appreciation that (on every occasion) prevents us from seeing reality.
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Post by tcejer on Oct 14, 2013 1:30:26 GMT -5
Of course by "willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation" you really mean the death of the small mind, or the death of the Ego, or the death of the personal, death, death, death... Well, it's a bit less dramatic than all that. Indeed it isn't. 'Death' is an exceptionally pessimistic and redundant view of - LIFE! To only see the dead-end of the perception we've labeled 'death', one misses the unrestricted, eternal, universal expanse that opens up upon 'death'. And all that is a whole lot more 'dramatic' than anyone focused upon 'death' can possibly imagine.
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Post by tcejer on Oct 14, 2013 1:38:45 GMT -5
Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name. Of course by "willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation" you really mean the death of the small mind, or the death of the Ego, or the death of the personal, death, death, death... It's not about 'death, death, death' at all. Where do you come up with this capricious stuff? If you were in prison, chained up 24 hours a day, whipped constantly and deprived of any comfort, then one day someone enters the place and pays your ransom, according to your abrogation you would relate to the sudden change in your circumstances as the death of your 'life' in prison. But someone else, who is a little more fertile and positive will see with a little more clarity - your prison 'death' means you are now 'free' - provided you've gained sufficient lucidity along the way to appreciate and enjoy it.
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Post by laughter on Oct 14, 2013 5:21:04 GMT -5
There are two kinds of Love...Big Mind Love or God's Love, or Impersonal Love, etc, etc,... Then there is the Small Mind Love, or the Ego's Love, or Personal Love, etc, etc,... From the second group we seek from others what we feel is 'lacking' in ourselves, IOW we 'Love' others in an attempt to get 'Love' for ourselves... From the first group 'Love' is incapable of asking for anything because 'Love' is all there is... Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name. Forgiveness and love entangle in a sort of dance, one step falling into the next ... forgiveness leading to love, love leading to forgiveness. When the pros move, the dancers, the dancefloor and the music all just sort of melt into the dance ... until, there is noone to do the forgiving and everyone to love, noone to do the loving and everything is forgiven.
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Post by tcejer on Oct 14, 2013 7:01:04 GMT -5
Yes. Love moves when there is nothing seemingly in it's way. The person does not need to do something. If there is the willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation, Love will be seen for what it is. It moves of it's own accord and in it's own name. Forgiveness and love entangle in a sort of dance, one step falling into the next ... forgiveness leading to love, love leading to forgiveness. When the pros move, the dancers, the dancefloor and the music all just sort of melt into the dance ... until, there is noone to do the forgiving and everyone to love, noone to do the loving and everything is forgiven. Quite the slice of poetic license there.
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Post by silver on Oct 14, 2013 7:24:25 GMT -5
How lithe, how lilting Does love move, Without the stormcoat Of forgiveness.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 10:29:04 GMT -5
Of course by "willingness to drop all mental/emotional barriers of separation" you really mean the death of the small mind, or the death of the Ego, or the death of the personal, death, death, death... Well, it's a bit less dramatic than all that. Not really, drama is the Ego, is the personal, and is the small mind...it's what keeps them real.
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