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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 20:44:31 GMT -5
True, that's why I say nobody is interested in the truth, even as they imagine to be seeking it. There's not somebody there to know anything right now, and yet stuff is known. Nothing changes but the belief in that 'somebody'. Yes, stuff is apparently known within the reference of the story of the dream of me... When the illusion drops the story is over along with the apparent knowing of stuff.What's left is the Infinite, the Unknown, This... There isn't anything there that knows the Infinite, not even the Infinite... Obviously not. Jesus and Buddha still knew all sorts of stuff. {Do you need examples?)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 21:15:29 GMT -5
Yes, stuff is apparently known within the reference of the story of the dream of me... When the illusion drops the story is over along with the apparent knowing of stuff.What's left is the Infinite, the Unknown, This... There isn't anything there that knows the Infinite, not even the Infinite... Obviously not. Jesus and Buddha still knew all sorts of stuff. {Do you need examples?) Jesus and Buddha were illusions that apparently knew all sorts of stuff... What sort of stuff does a snake know before it turns into a rope?!
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Post by enigma on Nov 11, 2013 2:25:11 GMT -5
Obviously not. Jesus and Buddha still knew all sorts of stuff. {Do you need examples?) Jesus and Buddha were illusions that apparently knew all sorts of stuff... What sort of stuff does a snake know before it turns into a rope?! ....What?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 14:10:32 GMT -5
Jesus and Buddha were illusions that apparently knew all sorts of stuff... What sort of stuff does a snake know before it turns into a rope?! ....What? The illusion of a snake that suddenly vanishes leaving just the rope is similar to the illusion of a separate person that suddenly vanishes and leaving This... The knowing of stuff by illusions is within the context of the illusion, and implies a knower. It is the me, the I, the self, the knower, that is the illusion which vanishes into the Infinite. Well except maybe for the knowing of when to eat, when to sleep, when to drink and oh yeah, when to take a crap... Actually those things just happen, but there isn't somebody there to know they are happening.
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Post by enigma on Nov 11, 2013 20:55:18 GMT -5
The illusion of a snake that suddenly vanishes leaving just the rope is similar to the illusion of a separate person that suddenly vanishes and leaving This... The knowing of stuff by illusions is within the context of the illusion, and implies a knower. It is the me, the I, the self, the knower, that is the illusion which vanishes into the Infinite.Well except maybe for the knowing of when to eat, when to sleep, when to drink and oh yeah, when to take a crap... Actually those things just happen, but there isn't somebody there to know they are happening. Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen.
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Post by tzujanli on Nov 11, 2013 21:33:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. The illusion of a snake that suddenly vanishes leaving just the rope is similar to the illusion of a separate person that suddenly vanishes and leaving This... The knowing of stuff by illusions is within the context of the illusion, and implies a knower. It is the me, the I, the self, the knower, that is the illusion which vanishes into the Infinite.Well except maybe for the knowing of when to eat, when to sleep, when to drink and oh yeah, when to take a crap... Actually those things just happen, but there isn't somebody there to know they are happening. Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 21:54:15 GMT -5
The illusion of a snake that suddenly vanishes leaving just the rope is similar to the illusion of a separate person that suddenly vanishes and leaving This... The knowing of stuff by illusions is within the context of the illusion, and implies a knower. It is the me, the I, the self, the knower, that is the illusion which vanishes into the Infinite.Well except maybe for the knowing of when to eat, when to sleep, when to drink and oh yeah, when to take a crap... Actually those things just happen, but there isn't somebody there to know they are happening. Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen. There is still a mind that believes or not believes in something else called an oasis. That's dualism. When the knower vanishes there is just the unknown. In Wholeness there isn't anything to know there is just what's happening. What's happening is Wholeness appearing as This...and one of it's appearances paradoxically, is a person dreaming that it's lost it's Wholeness...
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Post by earnest on Nov 11, 2013 22:03:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well.. *sniff sniff sniff* Hmm,.. that smells a bit beliefy... *sneaks out of room*
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Post by tzujanli on Nov 11, 2013 22:20:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well.. *sniff sniff sniff* Hmm,.. that smells a bit beliefy... *sneaks out of room* That's not 'beliefy', that's egg salad tacos, and Tuna ice-cream with an IPA.. i thought i felt a cold nose in a warm place.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 22:20:22 GMT -5
Greetings.. Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well.. Yes, the awareness of a knower, or me, that knows there is no knower or me, is an illusion. And that's why the pointing at the possibility of that awareness suddenly vanishing and leaving what has always been here can't be understood. Not only can it not be understood, it is an absolute futility for the illusion of me to dispel itself through either gaining or losing something... It is a nonsense...
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 3:24:17 GMT -5
Greetings.. Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well.. It's imperative that the believer in separation continually reaffirm that illusion by dismissing the truth with imaginative stories.
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 3:26:33 GMT -5
Illusions only vanish in the sense that they're not believed to be something other than what they are. The mirage that is believed to be an oasis doesn't vanish, it's just no longer believed to be an oasis. Knowing stuff does imply a knower, but implications are a lot like assumptions. There is no knower required in order for knowing to happen. There is still a mind that believes or not believes in something else called an oasis. That's dualism. When the knower vanishes there is just the unknown. In Wholeness there isn't anything to know there is just what's happening. What's happening is Wholeness appearing as This...and one of it's appearances paradoxically, is a person dreaming that it's lost it's Wholeness... You're going to find that the person, and all the stuff he knows, does not vanish. That should be obvious to the non-you right now.
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Post by enigma on Nov 12, 2013 3:29:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well.. *sniff sniff sniff* Hmm,.. that smells a bit beliefy... *sneaks out of room* Have you ever tried Febreze? It even works on strong beliefy odors.
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Post by tzujanli on Nov 12, 2013 6:15:02 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. What you are not yet aware of, is that your communications flow from a 'knower' that thinks it 'knows' that there is no 'knower'.. there is great embellishment for the self-image when it believes itself so philosophically advanced that it can convince others to believe there is no knower.. Be well.. It's imperative that the believer in separation continually reaffirm that illusion by dismissing the truth with imaginative stories. Don't mistake me for a 'believer' in separation, that's just the observation the withstands scrutiny.. demonstrate a more cohesive awareness of what is actually happening, and my understanding will adapt.. it is you that 'believes' in oneness, that in the face of irrefutable evidence contradicting that belief, you refuse to adapt.. labeling separation as 'difference' is an attempt to manipulate the perceptions of others for agreement with your 'belief'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2013 12:47:25 GMT -5
There is still a mind that believes or not believes in something else called an oasis. That's dualism. When the knower vanishes there is just the unknown. In Wholeness there isn't anything to know there is just what's happening. What's happening is Wholeness appearing as This...and one of it's appearances paradoxically, is a person dreaming that it's lost it's Wholeness... You're going to find that the person, and all the stuff he knows, does not vanish. That should be obvious to the non-you right now. The person who knows stuff can't vanish because it's never been here... That's why understanding new stuff or losing all the stuff it knows, doesn't result in Liberation. Liberation is already all there is.
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