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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 21:15:00 GMT -5
Or, conversely, detachment/surrender/realization, is a kind of discontinuation of 'putting fuel on the fire'... Or a walking off the battlefield. Walking off the battlefield implies choice, will power, and volition... Same as detachment/surrender/realization... Illusions can't do that, nor can they understand why they can't do that...hehe
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 9:12:46 GMT -5
Or, conversely, detachment/surrender/realization, is a kind of discontinuation of 'putting fuel on the fire'... Or a walking off the battlefield. walking off the battlefield .. is kind of a letting go, right? but not just a change in mental perspective, and not just a walking away .. while carrying remnants of whatever the dysfunction was, with you
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 13:36:13 GMT -5
The fear of death happens, it just doesn't happen to somebody. There is nobody here to not understand what your saying? Yes, there is just Wholeness and the dream of a me or you that can know or not know Wholeness... When the illusion dies, there is just Wholeness, just This, just what's Happening... The problem for the individual is that they can never know that there is no me or you when that illusion dies...
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Post by enigma on Nov 9, 2013 21:01:32 GMT -5
Or a walking off the battlefield. Walking off the battlefield implies choice, will power, and volition... Same as detachment/surrender/realization... Illusions can't do that, nor can they understand why they can't do that...hehe It's good to understand that it's not meant to imply that.
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Post by enigma on Nov 9, 2013 21:02:48 GMT -5
Or a walking off the battlefield. walking off the battlefield .. is kind of a letting go, right? but not just a change in mental perspective, and not just a walking away .. while carrying remnants of whatever the dysfunction was, with you Right.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 23:40:03 GMT -5
walking off the battlefield .. is kind of a letting go, right? but not just a change in mental perspective, and not just a walking away .. while carrying remnants of whatever the dysfunction was, with you Right. There is nothing me, or I, or self can do to walk off the battlefield, it's totally helpless. The idea of letting go, despite there being some people out there that call themselves non-dual teachers and they say to people to just let go, all's there is is Oneness. It’s impossible for me to do that because the nature of me is to live in what’s next. It’s always living in what will be or what has been. The dualistic idea that me or self can ' choose' to let go is illusory .
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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 3:52:48 GMT -5
There is nothing me, or I, or self can do to walk off the battlefield, it's totally helpless. The idea of letting go, despite there being some people out there that call themselves non-dual teachers and they say to people to just let go, all's there is is Oneness. It’s impossible for me to do that because the nature of me is to live in what’s next. It’s always living in what will be or what has been. The dualistic idea that me or self can ' choose' to let go is illusory . Sure, nobody can choose to let go, or walk off the battlefield, or surrender. Those are descriptions rather than prescriptions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 12:38:05 GMT -5
There is nothing me, or I, or self can do to walk off the battlefield, it's totally helpless. The idea of letting go, despite there being some people out there that call themselves non-dual teachers and they say to people to just let go, all's there is is Oneness. It’s impossible for me to do that because the nature of me is to live in what’s next. It’s always living in what will be or what has been. The dualistic idea that me or self can ' choose' to let go is illusory . Sure, nobody can choose to let go, or walk off the battlefield, or surrender. Those are descriptions rather than prescriptions. Yes, they are just words, just like the words that come from writing dream prescriptions for the dreamers... Does Life, Presence, Being, This, need a prescription?!
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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 13:00:00 GMT -5
Sure, nobody can choose to let go, or walk off the battlefield, or surrender. Those are descriptions rather than prescriptions. Yes, they are just words, just like the words that come from writing dream prescriptions for the dreamers... Does Life, Presence, Being, This, need a prescription?! No, but mind/ego does.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 13:35:01 GMT -5
Yes, they are just words, just like the words that come from writing dream prescriptions for the dreamers... Does Life, Presence, Being, This, need a prescription?! No, but mind/ego does. The only prescription the mind/ego is interested in is the preservation of the illusion of its continuity. It's like Tzu wanting to be there when that illusion collapses. But the death of the mind/ego is only the ending of the illusion of a journey in time. What remains after the collapse is Wholeness, and there won't be somebody there to know it.
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Post by enigma on Nov 10, 2013 13:45:23 GMT -5
The only prescription the mind/ego is interested in is the preservation of the illusion of its continuity. It's like Tzu wanting to be there when that illusion collapses. True, that's why I say nobody is interested in the truth, even as they imagine to be seeking it. There's not somebody there to know anything right now, and yet stuff is known. Nothing changes but the belief in that 'somebody'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 14:36:22 GMT -5
The only prescription the mind/ego is interested in is the preservation of the illusion of its continuity. It's like Tzu wanting to be there when that illusion collapses. True, that's why I say nobody is interested in the truth, even as they imagine to be seeking it. There's not somebody there to know anything right now, and yet stuff is known. Nothing changes but the belief in that 'somebody'. Yes, stuff is apparently known within the reference of the story of the dream of me... When the illusion drops the story is over along with the apparent knowing of stuff. What's left is the Infinite, the Unknown, This... There isn't anything there that knows the Infinite, not even the Infinite...
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Post by tzujanli on Nov 10, 2013 15:56:35 GMT -5
Greetings.. True, that's why I say nobody is interested in the truth, even as they imagine to be seeking it. There's not somebody there to know anything right now, and yet stuff is known. Nothing changes but the belief in that 'somebody'. Yes, stuff is apparently known within the reference of the story of the dream of me... When the illusion drops the story is over along with the apparent knowing of stuff. What's left is the Infinite, the Unknown, This... There isn't anything there that knows the Infinite, not even the Infinite... "This".. and 'That' which conjures stories to explain what it does not understand about "This".. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 18:21:46 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yes, stuff is apparently known within the reference of the story of the dream of me... When the illusion drops the story is over along with the apparent knowing of stuff. What's left is the Infinite, the Unknown, This... There isn't anything there that knows the Infinite, not even the Infinite... "This".. and 'That' which conjures stories to explain what it does not understand about "This".. Be well.. That which conjures stories to explain what it does not nor can ever understand about This drops away when the illusion drops away... That's why it's called Liberation...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 18:41:46 GMT -5
Soon we will be able to manipulate the whole DNA sequence, making these arguments irrelevent. Everything goes in cycles. We are in the Dwapara Yuga now, having trancended from the Kali Yuga over the last couple hundred years. The Kali Yuga is a dark age, the Dwapara Tuga is a period of unification and a dropping of the social and econimic barriers that divide us. Its a period where separation on all levels cedes to unity. Kali Yuga Atfer quantum computers the DNA sequence should be easy. Its not Kali Yuga anymore, its Dwapara Yuga....there was a miscalculation in the charts about 1500 years ago that put that whole calendar off...the miscalculation largely happened because they calculated it in the beginning of a dark age, where the human collective intellect was declining....and the ruler at the time in India did not want to tell his subjects that they were entering a Kali Yuga period, he did not want to rule during a Kali Yuga, so he ceded his throne to his Grandson and went to live in the Himalayas....stuff like that was taken very seriously back then in that culture, so if the population knew they were entering Kali Yuga, productivity in the culture would slow down dramatically....so the ruling class, the grandson, decided to fudge the books so to speak, and not tell the general population that they were entering a Kali Yuga. Dwapara Yuga began over 300 years ago, and is just now starting to be in full swing. Its a period of inclusiveness and connection, and advances in science and medicine and communication. Increased global connectivity of all of humanity etc... The onset of Dwapara Yuga is why you see things like the world wide web (internet), and the movement to bring internet the every part of the world including developing ateas in the middle of Africa etc.... Also things like all the gay rights laws and more open acceptance, the arab spring movement toward democracy, rapid advances in everything from medicine to communications to science, and technologies....all moving so rapidly now because the 'cycle' of humanity has transitioned from dark winter (Kali Yuga), to Springtime (Dwapara Yuga). The Dark Ages of Europe and Asia were right smack in the middle of Kali Yuga. War, famine, pestilence, and the resulting isolation of most of humanity into small villages and family groups with little interaction with each other during the Dark Ages were a period of Kali Yuga. 400 to 600 AD was the height of Kali Yuga, and resulted in about the lowest quality of life for humans on earth during that period. The world wide Renaissance was the last 100 years of Kalli Yuga, a period of transition out of Kali Yuga, and last 315 years have been in Dwapara Yuga....the first 200 years is the transition into Dwapara Yuga, but the last 100 years it has been in full swing...which is why in a space of about 100-120 years we have gone from riding around in a horse carriage to MRI machines, people walking on the moon, and our spacecraft leaving our own galaxy into interstellar space. Google, worldwide marketplaces like the Dow, Ebay, Amazon, ....all Dwapara Yuga stuff. Its said that Dwapara Yuga is the period of 'Form' ending.....meaning the dropping of separation of forms of all types, and a great unification, a coming together. The world wide phenomena of folks like Eckart Tolle and the spiritualism of oneness and stillness becoming mainstream....Dwapara Yuga ;-) Haha...I can touch a ray of light, a little cluster of energy on the screen of my smartphone, and both see and hear another person in South American and China instantly.....thats the 'beginning' of Dwapara Yuga. Dwapara Yuga marks the period of a dissolution of the barriers of form and space....as we move further into, still more barriers of firm and space will cede to connection. Us talking together as a group on this forum from all over the world is just the beginning of that process. www.barbarapijan.com/bpa/Amsha/yuga_cycles_big_clock.htmEverything goes in cycles.
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