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Post by laughter on Nov 8, 2013 16:25:20 GMT -5
^^ contains spiritual wankiness ^^ :-) Does commenting of the changing of the seasons contain spiritual wankiness too? LoL oh yeah .... Especially if it's done in a poem!
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Post by laughter on Nov 8, 2013 16:25:55 GMT -5
^^ contains spiritual wankiness ^^ ^^contains (ironically) both Ignnorance and TMT......and judgementalism^^ haha awwwwww .... it was just a joke man, sorry!
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Post by laughter on Nov 8, 2013 16:27:48 GMT -5
awwwwww .... it was just a joke man, sorry! Me too No no ... obviously you meant to offend me there.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Nov 8, 2013 16:27:56 GMT -5
In both scenarios, you pass over the obvious and the simple in search for something more than what is right in front of you. What is the obvious and simple that you think I'm passing over?Steve, you still haven't answered.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 16:28:50 GMT -5
Me too No no ... obviously you meant to offend me there. Meant to poke you in the ribs, not offend you ;-)
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Post by laughter on Nov 8, 2013 16:29:42 GMT -5
No no ... obviously you meant to offend me there. Meant to poke you in the ribs, not offend you ;-) I can't believe you're being this mean to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 16:32:06 GMT -5
Meant to poke you in the ribs, not offend you ;-) I can't believe you're being this mean to me. Lmao Generally speaking, I like to scare and mildly torture small children also...chasing them with a monster face while they scurry to-and-fro, and throwing their little bodies in the air is especially invigorating :-) Poets have a wonderful childlike aspect ;-)
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Post by laughter on Nov 8, 2013 16:51:43 GMT -5
I can't believe you're being this mean to me. Lmao Generally speaking, I like to scare and mildly torture small children also...chasing them with a monster face while they scurry to-and-fro, and throwing their little bodies in the air is especially invigorating :-) Poets have a wonderful childlike aspect ;-) (** runs into the closet **)
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Post by enigma on Nov 8, 2013 19:34:46 GMT -5
Buddha was right :-) most guys like Gautama are great rebels against aspects of the establishment ;-) Karma is nothing more than a kind of momentum with a trajectory...imagine a space craft with multiple stage rocket boosters and no brakes....you fire off a stage of the rocket and a momentum is created in a certain direction...but eventually that momentum will begin to subside....but before the momentum of the last rocket stage has stopped, you fire off another stage of the rocket and head off in another direction that is effected by the lingering momentum of the previous trajectory....we are continually firing off new rocket stages going in new directions, but even those 'new trajectories' are partly a result of the previous trajectories that never came to full stop. For one to escape karma, one has to stop the firing off of new rockets stages, and come to full stop, but this will take time, as there is already some momentum left from the last rocket stage....the key is to not fire off a new rocket stage that keeps karma moving so to speak....and then let karma run out of its current momentum without renewing it. Or is it to just see the firing of rocket stages rather than be them? By watching the generation of karma isn't it ceased? What we're calling generation of karma is the result of ignorance and attachment, and I wouldn't say watching ignorance and attachment really does anything to it unless in that watching there is a detachment/surrender/realization.
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Post by enigma on Nov 8, 2013 19:38:24 GMT -5
Or is it to just see the firing of rocket stages rather than be them? By watching the generation of karma isn't it ceased? Not necessarily so, though the Unconscious creation of karma is replaced by conscious creation of karma in this way. Being conscious of something only eliminates unconsciousness. However, only in consciousness can we decide to 'do' or 'not do'....so in that respect, consciousness of karma creation and renewal, gives one the choice of continued renewal or cessation. Yup.
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Post by enigma on Nov 8, 2013 19:40:19 GMT -5
Not necessarily so, though the Unconscious creation of karma is replaced by conscious creation of karma in this way. Being conscious of something only eliminates unconsciousness. However, only in consciousness can we decide to 'do' or 'not do'....so in that respect, consciousness of karma creation and renewal, gives one the choice of continued renewal or cessation. It seems that by being conscious of it, it naturally wouldn't be generated. I don't understand who would be deciding to create karma or not given full consciousness. Does being fully conscious of your fear of death eliminate your fear of death?
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Post by enigma on Nov 8, 2013 19:59:31 GMT -5
What growth has accelerated? In self understanding, education, our ability to create/manipulate our own environment. Education is actually getting worse. In the universities they are cooperating with the big companies and their goal is to produce specialized workers.I don't agree. In the last say 1,000 years just look. There really wasn't an education system at all for most people. Then in the last few years children seem to keep getting smarter. We have TV, radio, music, video games, free education. If you look at one little aspect, like above, one might think it is getting worst. But I don't see anything 'wrong' with teaching 'specialized' classes. It actually seems the correct thing to do. Any profession now seems to require a very specialize knowledge.You mean the world population? I think it's a very bad thing. There is no overpopulation problem. Yes, there is. Too many people. Especially too many stupid people. If it were up to me I would take everyone's DNA, analyse it and only allow the people with the best DNA to make children.We have plenty of room it's just not being utilized correctly. As far as DNA, what if in the future we can get a shot that changes our DNA? Say you want to be a redhead and you go get a shot and your hair starts growing red. Need a better IQ ...get a shot. All that matters is the collective consciousness of humankind.
I disagree that everything is getting better. In the last decades thing have gotten much worse. Overpopulation, people are getting poorer, nature is getting destroyed faster and faster, fascism is on the rise everywhere. Only because the ego has been maturing. I don't see the connection.What I'm saying is that it seems there is a collective ego very much like our personal ego. The collective ego has to grow similar as our personal ego. I don't see any of goodness in this world. The only goodness I've experienced in my life is from my mother, everyone else has been neutral or bad to me. I read a genius is just someone who had a good mother. That's obviously wrong.You don't see any 'goodness' in the world at all? There are people everywhere feeding homeless people, working on cures, etc. If you don't see any goodness in the world I would make it a practice to notice. The little things people do is sometimes so beautiful to see. It seems you rely on your logic very much. Have you ever experienced what some would call a spiritual experience? Something maybe that defied logic? If I didn't know you better I'd say you have a reasonable, balanced view of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 20:29:08 GMT -5
Or is it to just see the firing of rocket stages rather than be them? By watching the generation of karma isn't it ceased? What we're calling generation of karma is the result of ignorance and attachment, and I wouldn't say watching ignorance and attachment really does anything to it unless in that watching there is a detachment/surrender/realization. Or, conversely, detachment/surrender/realization, is a kind of discontinuation of 'putting fuel on the fire'...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 20:29:53 GMT -5
It seems that by being conscious of it, it naturally wouldn't be generated. I don't understand who would be deciding to create karma or not given full consciousness. Does being fully conscious of your fear of death eliminate your fear of death? The fear of death happens, it just doesn't happen to somebody.
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Post by enigma on Nov 8, 2013 21:04:41 GMT -5
What we're calling generation of karma is the result of ignorance and attachment, and I wouldn't say watching ignorance and attachment really does anything to it unless in that watching there is a detachment/surrender/realization. Or, conversely, detachment/surrender/realization, is a kind of discontinuation of 'putting fuel on the fire'... Or a walking off the battlefield.
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