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Post by silver on Oct 10, 2013 20:23:19 GMT -5
You really should try it sometime, this non-forgiving thing - you may not understand it...until you actually try it. You either do or you don't, but we don't exist, anyway, so what of it. if ppl dont exist, who is there to try-it out as yourself is suggesting? * You're the one who cares
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Post by acewall on Oct 10, 2013 20:28:37 GMT -5
Tears are gonna flow, if we forgive, or not The wind will blow among all the forget-me-nots. Planets will spin, Thunder make din, There is nothing holding ___ back. serving the less-fortunate one realises a power beyond forcefullness that imbues an intelligence far beyond that which one acquires with-in their minds intellect.
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Post by silver on Oct 10, 2013 20:31:43 GMT -5
Tears are gonna flow, if we forgive, or not The wind will blow among all the forget-me-nots. Planets will spin, Thunder make din, There is nothing holding ___ back. serving the less-fortunate one realises a power beyond forcefullness that imbues an intelligence far beyond that which one acquires with-in their minds intellect. :-XX _______________________________________.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 20:31:46 GMT -5
Forgiveness is some tricky stuff. I don't know the whole story there, but when grown-ups use, abuse and deeply affect young people and others who are in a position of vulnerability.......all I can say is that forgiveness is not the whole schtick. You can no longer do business with people who have done that much mindless taking - they are criminals of the worst kind. Forgiveness is for saints. Not human beings. It's make-believe. Gonna disagree with you on this one, Ag. Forgiveness is all about letting go--letting go of the self, of beliefs, of preconceived notions about how things are supposed to work, and how people should act. It don't take no saint. It just takes the willingness. Edit: great thread topic, btw. Jesus spoke a lot about what we translate as "forgiveness", only in Aramaic the wird is "Schtab", which translated more accurately is: "To mentally release, to unbind, to let go" He even went so far as to elude that nothing can be done spiritually speaking if one does not "Schtab" so to speak. In that way, when you look at forgiveness as you described it, Forgiveness is absolutely crucial....and eminately possible fir anyone in any situation....as Enigma has said before, it does not take effort to ungrasp the hand so to speak.....all it takes a releasing of effort, a letting go of attachment.
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Post by Beingist on Oct 10, 2013 20:36:45 GMT -5
everyone has different meanings due to each having different conditioning within their different minds. Non-forgiving, arrests the life-flow and conceals the light within being found when looking inwards as memory is like a wad of compressed tissue paper dunked in glue.(dense) You really should try it sometime, this non-forgiving thing - you may not understand it...until you actually try it. You either do or you don't, but we don't exist, anyway, so what of it. You're really clinging to yourself, Ag. Hurts me to see it.
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Post by Beingist on Oct 10, 2013 20:40:18 GMT -5
Gonna disagree with you on this one, Ag. Forgiveness is all about letting go--letting go of the self, of beliefs, of preconceived notions about how things are supposed to work, and how people should act. It don't take no saint. It just takes the willingness. Edit: great thread topic, btw. Jesus spoke a lot about what we translate as "forgiveness", only in Aramaic the wird is "Schtab", which translated more accurately is: "To mentally release, to unbind, to let go" He even went so far as to elude that nothing can be done spiritually speaking if one does not "Schtab" so to speak. In that way, when you look at forgiveness as you described it, Forgiveness is absolutely crucial....and eminately possible fir anyone in any situation....as Enigma has said before, it does not take effort to ungrasp the hand so to speak.....all it takes a releasing of effort, a letting go of attachment. Don't know Aramaic, but you've mentioned it before, and it makes sense, at least to me. Rezzin' big time with the bold.
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Post by acewall on Oct 10, 2013 20:40:32 GMT -5
You really should try it sometime, this non-forgiving thing - you may not understand it...until you actually try it. You either do or you don't, but we don't exist, anyway, so what of it. You're really clinging to yourself, Ag. Hurts me to see it. compassion freely arises when one has given-up their past hurt, doubt-full thoughts no-longer enter the mind; clarity prevails. In psychotherapy, forgiveness clears the sub-concious of blocks and the stuffing we stuff in the hope of see-ing an end to it all, but which provides the impetus to further fearful action.
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Post by silver on Oct 10, 2013 20:41:43 GMT -5
You really should try it sometime, this non-forgiving thing - you may not understand it...until you actually try it. You either do or you don't, but we don't exist, anyway, so what of it. You're really clinging to yourself, Ag. Hurts me to see it. ( I really don't know what that means, tbh.
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Post by acewall on Oct 10, 2013 20:42:46 GMT -5
You're really clinging to yourself, Ag. Hurts me to see it. ( I really don't know what that means, tbh. me thinks honesty is special.
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Post by silver on Oct 10, 2013 20:43:42 GMT -5
I really don't know what that means, tbh. me thinks honesty is special. I really don't know what that means, tbh.
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Post by acewall on Oct 10, 2013 20:45:06 GMT -5
me thinks honesty is special. I really don't know what that means, tbh. goodbye for now, I am off to attend me own-business.
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Post by Beingist on Oct 10, 2013 20:51:11 GMT -5
You're really clinging to yourself, Ag. Hurts me to see it. ( I really don't know what that means, tbh. It means that your pain is showing.
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Post by silver on Oct 10, 2013 21:02:53 GMT -5
I really don't know what that means, tbh. It means that your pain is showing. *crap* ................. *meh*
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Post by silver on Oct 10, 2013 21:14:33 GMT -5
I can see where there aren't too many takers of this forum's wares....
First there are no mountain....then there is.
no people......then there is.....
no well, forgiveness.....and so what if there isn't?
I don't think it's because I'm too old to forgive, it's just I don't see the big deal in it.
Those non-people who are opportunists will take advantage of the tender-hearted every single time.
When those in the middle choose to give it a whirl, it'll snap back in their face.
It's all just lessons learned..............or not!
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 10, 2013 21:37:18 GMT -5
Well I certainly saw a big deal with it. It's very personal you need to be in it to see it. Nowhereman
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