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Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 19:05:33 GMT -5
On astral pulse there is an interesting post . While out of body this lady asked to see God . I will post a link when I find it. A student asks Papaji, 'How do I see God'? Hang in til the end.
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Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 19:09:45 GMT -5
Okay....care to discuss it, or elaborate? When I read that comment I immediately thought of this You know the God Complex thngy A psychosis based in uncontrolled narcissism, inflated arrogance and a perceived need to subjugate and/or ridicule other individuals deemed to be inferior or unworthy.Of course the person that has such a complex is completely blinded to it, being in a state of denial. No, it's not that.
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Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 19:18:19 GMT -5
Understood..I certainly was not implying this was the issue with you No worries, I didn't take it that way ;-) Why not?
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Post by desertrat on Oct 7, 2013 19:19:05 GMT -5
I am still looking for the post it was a year or two ago . A lady asked to see God while out of body . What she discribes was more energy and consciousness . www.astralpulse.com/forums/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 19:22:34 GMT -5
No worries, I didn't take it that way ;-) Why not? Well with Silence I did, but with NWM he seemed to be commenting on a general phenomena. Whereas Silence, in the specific way he edited my post, and the use of the word: "You" lol, seemed to be taking a more personal dent ;-)
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 7, 2013 19:30:33 GMT -5
When I read that comment I immediately thought of this You know the God Complex thngy A psychosis based in uncontrolled narcissism, inflated arrogance and a perceived need to subjugate and/or ridicule other individuals deemed to be inferior or unworthy.Of course the person that has such a complex is completely blinded to it, being in a state of denial. No, it's not that. zaxlty
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 19:31:22 GMT -5
Becoming truly atheist is not so easy to do. It's not so hard to get rid of the idea of the bearded old man in the sky. But what Lacan calls "the big Other" is much more difficult to get rid of. When we say "one doesn't do it" in response to some despicable act, who is this "one"? It's the "big Other". That's the place where the idea about God comes from and it operates in almost everyone and in every culture regardless of whether it's religious or not. Have you considered that "getting rid" of the awareness or idea of God because its a trick of the mind used to obscure the obvious? Seems like its easy to get rid of the idea of the old man with a silver beard in the sky, because its a fantasy thats not supported by the obviousness of experience. But getting rid of of the idea or belief in a higher power or greater self or whatever you want to call it is exceedingly difficult, because you have to for e the mind to create barriers to the obvious. In such situations its no suprise that every true aethiest is usually very confrontational in their aetheism, and VERY firm in arguing it, because it takes a kind of fierce will and effort to be a true aethiest and continually deny the obviousness of experience. It can be hard work to set aside the cultural imprintation of a God iconography, but its even harder work to deny the obviousness of God in everthing and everyone. Avowed aethiests that hold onto aetheism tend to be a pretty fierce lot regarding aetheism as a result.
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Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 20:09:44 GMT -5
Why not? Well with Silence I did, but with NWM he seemed to be commenting on a general phenomena. Whereas Silence, in the specific way he edited my post, and the use of the word: "You" lol, seemed to be taking a more personal dent ;-) I think you're in a "state of denial" about it not being personally directed toward you. If it wasn't, then it was a completely irrelevant comment.
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 7, 2013 20:49:30 GMT -5
Well with Silence I did, but with NWM he seemed to be commenting on a general phenomena. Whereas Silence, in the specific way he edited my post, and the use of the word: "You" lol, seemed to be taking a more personal dent ;-) I think you're in a "state of denial" about it not being personally directed toward you. If it wasn't, then it was a completely irrelevant comment. The comment was relevant to a possible assumption that Steve could had made. It's called being courteous . However I do understand well where you are coming from as you tend to take everything personal hence your comment here
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Post by silence on Oct 7, 2013 20:59:04 GMT -5
I think you're going down a very psychologically dangerous path. Okay....care to discuss it, or elaborate? If you know such a thing, you do not need to say it. To yourself or anyone. What you're engaged in is something entirely different.
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 7, 2013 21:15:10 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. "God" is a word that carries way too much religious and personal baggage, it is an ideological reference point.. Be well.. Would you consider that to be ultimately true, or true from your perspective, or are you commenting on what you see as a commonly held perspective in groups like this? as an aside, I avoided the word "God" for many years for just that reason. I'm less inclined to word lawyer at this point though...while at the same time not being married to the word. its just a pointer like all words. My interest is in the most efficient and effective communication of the most broadly applicable understandings of that which 'is'.. you use the term 'God' as if others hold the same understanding of the word as you do, and it is obvious that there are many interpretations of the word 'God'.. there are people that share your ideology, and there are those that are willing to die while killing others to convince those not in agreement that their's is the only 'true' way.. there are those that worship power and wealth as if those ideologies were 'Gods', so.. 'God' is word that carries way too much baggage, and inspires conflicts, conflicts that have plagued history and current experience with conflict suffering and death.. Your's is a 'see what i can do' sort of appeal to others' conditioned beliefs in different versions of 'God'.. an illusion, an adventure into the mind's capacity for self-hypnosis and delusion.. 'God' is a conditioned reference to the socio-religious indoctrination that builds 'parts' for the 'machine' that feeds it.. 'God' cannot be the most efficient and effective communication of the most broadly applicable understandings of that which 'is', precisely because of the diversity of beliefs surrounding its meaning.. Clarity finds words and language that unite, in spite of the differences of beliefs in culturally and philosophically contrasting attachments to words like 'God'.. "Be still and know", and, leave imagined references to deities out of it.. listen for the words that resonate with the most diverse audience possible.. there is a common thread of understanding that resonates with most people when they hear it, and it doesn't invoke deities or beliefs.. it is simple, clear, and very common-sensical, it actually works and withstands honest scrutiny.. this is my interest, my intention.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 7, 2013 21:22:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. I think you're in a "state of denial" about it not being personally directed toward you. If it wasn't, then it was a completely irrelevant comment. The comment was relevant to a possible assumption that Steve could had made. It's called being courteous . However I do understand well where you are coming from as you tend to take everything personal hence your comment here E's just trying to stir-up some conflict.. watch, he's very good at stirring it up, then blaming the person for it, then telling the other person that he can fix the conflict he started.. Be well..
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Post by nowhereman on Oct 7, 2013 21:33:04 GMT -5
Greetings.. The comment was relevant to a possible assumption that Steve could had made. It's called being courteous . However I do understand well where you are coming from as you tend to take everything personal hence your comment here E's just trying to stir-up some conflict.. watch, he's very good at stirring it up, then blaming the person for it, then telling the other person that he can fix the conflict he started.. Be well.. Thanks but I knew all that when I read his words about my comment..I'm pretty good at knowing where he goes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 21:45:54 GMT -5
Okay....care to discuss it, or elaborate? If you know such a thing, you do not need to say it. To yourself or anyone. What you're engaged in is something entirely different. Well, sorry my friend, but there seem to be some assumptions going on there....the kind of assumptions that can generally be cleared by more engaged conversations than just dropping an opinion and scadadling on ;-) I made that post as something that is useful for fellow folks like the guy in that Palaji vid that enigma posted above. Largely I had TRF and Q in mind when posting it, but also for the silent lurkers that listen in hear. having said that, I also disagree that it is either dangerous (as describrd in its totality) or pointless if one already "knows" this....the latter because even if sineone "knows" this already, attention wanes and gets drawn to other things as ine is absorbed in mind and life, and its very nice to do as a method of bringing attentiveness back to the unity of God in You, Us, and THIS. Heck, the entire SUFI tradition is about different ways of bringing attention back to the Unity of God in all things and the self....its called Dhikr....Taweed...The methods of remembering God.....even when one knows the Unity of God there is still benefit in returning attention to the Unity of our God nature.
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Post by tzujanli on Oct 7, 2013 21:46:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. On astral pulse there is an interesting post . While out of body this lady asked to see God . I will post a link when I find it. A student asks Papaji, 'How do I see God'? Hang in til the end. That was classic guru woo woo... just agree with guru and you will see 'God'.. because if you agree with guru you will believe you see 'God'.. in this case, the 'student' says, "I don't see God", and guru says, the word "don't is doubt, remove 'doubt' ("don't") and tell me what you see.. (spoiler alert, word-play).. the student repeats the sentence without the word "don't", and says "I see God"... and that IS funny.. no pressure in THAT room, eh? Clarity needs none of that illusion, none of that Eastern Hippie Theater.. there's no 'God' to see, other than the illusion your were conditioned to see.. Be well..
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