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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 3:27:44 GMT -5
How is the keeping quiet thread doing? Everyone silent?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 3:35:09 GMT -5
I wemember Joshu Sasaki Roshi speaking about a flamming red-hot hall in ones belly an holding it there.
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Post by acewall on Oct 7, 2013 5:15:23 GMT -5
I wemember Joshu Sasaki Roshi speaking about a flamming red-hot hall in ones belly an holding it there. How did you get back in here? Computer gliche? Buzz-off, I'm in control now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 10:01:19 GMT -5
Spirituality is not a field I'm interested in. The samadhi thingy appears to require lots of sustained concentration, which requires training the body to not scream when being still for long periods of time. Why are you on a spiritual forum? Just lucky I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 11:19:28 GMT -5
Actually it's the mind that is coming up with the 'absence of knowledge' concept, so it's still knowledge gained... That it's "difficult for mind" is just another mind game. Another thing that's difficult for mind is knowing when to stop thinking. A clue is when the thoughts become recursive, like 'That's just a story, but then it's a story that it's just a story, but then it's a story that it's a story that it's just a story.' Andrew was famous for that....unless he wasn't....and not even that! It's called TMT. Mind can be used as a translator for insight. When mind starts running the show, it's not about insight anymore. Thought doesn't know when to stop thinking because thoughts don't have autonomy over themselves... It's the attention that gives thoughts their power, not the thoughts themselves. Laughter's thoughts about 'turning away from concepts' or thoughts about the 'absence of knowledge' aren't a problem until someone else pays attention to another thought that say's those are recursive thoughts... Thoughts don't stop, what stops is the paying attention to them... Which you were not able to do with the thoughts in defense of your recursive thoughts...heh
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Post by silence on Oct 7, 2013 16:42:58 GMT -5
Why are you on a spiritual forum? Just lucky I guess. I don't follow.
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Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 18:02:15 GMT -5
Another thing that's difficult for mind is knowing when to stop thinking. A clue is when the thoughts become recursive, like 'That's just a story, but then it's a story that it's just a story, but then it's a story that it's a story that it's just a story.' Andrew was famous for that....unless he wasn't....and not even that! It's called TMT. Mind can be used as a translator for insight. When mind starts running the show, it's not about insight anymore. Thought doesn't know when to stop thinking because thoughts don't have autonomy over themselves... Obviously, what I mean is that Intelligence, Beingness doesn't know when to stop using the tool of mind. Yes, of course. Those aren't the recursive thoughts. I was referring to your thoughts. "Actually it's the mind that is coming up with the 'absence of knowledge' concept, so it's still knowledge gained..." What stops is the interest in particular kinds of thoughts, at which point they no longer occur. Why would they?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 19:03:01 GMT -5
Thought doesn't know when to stop thinking because thoughts don't have autonomy over themselves... Obviously, what I mean is that Intelligence, Beingness doesn't know when to stop using the tool of mind. Yes, of course. Those aren't the recursive thoughts. I was referring to your thoughts. "Actually it's the mind that is coming up with the 'absence of knowledge' concept, so it's still knowledge gained..." What stops is the interest in particular kinds of thoughts, at which point they no longer occur. Why would they? You were making a self-referencing statement and I was simply pointing that out to you... Just like you are doing now, beingness and intelligence are subjective... They aren't doing anything with your mind tool... They are being perceived...perceived as thoughts that is...
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Post by enigma on Oct 7, 2013 20:05:06 GMT -5
Obviously, what I mean is that Intelligence, Beingness doesn't know when to stop using the tool of mind. Yes, of course. Those aren't the recursive thoughts. I was referring to your thoughts. "Actually it's the mind that is coming up with the 'absence of knowledge' concept, so it's still knowledge gained..." What stops is the interest in particular kinds of thoughts, at which point they no longer occur. Why would they? You were making a self-referencing statement and I was simply pointing that out to you... Just like you are doing now, beingness and intelligence are subjective... They aren't doing anything with your mind tool... They are being perceived...perceived as thoughts that is... How do you know that?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 21:50:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 11:12:00 GMT -5
You were making a self-referencing statement and I was simply pointing that out to you... Just like you are doing now, beingness and intelligence are subjective... They aren't doing anything with your mind tool... They are being perceived...perceived as thoughts that is... How do you know that? I know it the same way the universe is known...
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Post by lolly on Oct 9, 2013 5:54:19 GMT -5
I am a fan of those guys, it's not a hatred thing. I question the validity of relying on the words of 'spiritual teachers', and suggest that isn't a good idea. It's actually quite an interesting philosophy, and I think I understand those points of view, but making Truth of it doesn't sit well, and even worse when self ordained pointers use them as arsenal. The view I take is, the truth is in the listening... sometimes people are wrong, and I'm wrong sometimes too (but very rarely and it was a very long time ago hehehe), so I find taking celebrity words as gospel fairly inane. Sometimes I find one's words apply to my ife in some way, but other-times not so much, and not just old dead spiritual legends, anyone. I mean you say what's relevant to you and I say what's relevant to me and so do these trumped up dead guys lol... We don't teach anything really, and it's the pointers who experience delusions in that regard, we just say what we think is relevant to ourselves in response to any one else's communications. Maybe these spiritual celebrities merely said what they found to be relevant, just like I would. The reference to the "beautiful" line was an exaggerated joke -- I didn't mean to actually imply that you were hating on anyone. The "yup" there was in the same agreement that I'll share now: yes, the dead guys are just dead guys that said stuff that got popular. My point is that to echo that popularity by quoting them doesn't imply disagreement with you on that idea about them being no more than dead guys. Simply quoting them isn't "taking them as gospel". I'll disagree with you on this idea of "the pointers who experience delusions". This isn't to say noone who points or thinks they're pointing might not be delusional ... but I take pointing as simply reaching the limits of language and ideas to express what it is that we're trying to express. yea.. it was someone else who pretended I hated them. There is just quoting a dead guy, and there is using what a 'master' said to fortify a personal view point, and pointers point out their point of view while positioning themselves as 'spiritual teachers', I mean what would one expect form a site 'spiritualteachers.org'. It's not sensible for me to regard the self anointed pointers as authorities on spiritualism, so I just understand the perspective they appear to have adopted.
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Post by Reefs on Oct 9, 2013 6:54:37 GMT -5
yea.. it was someone else who pretended I hated them. Who was it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2013 23:00:11 GMT -5
If I repost this 17 times will I be banned? 2rd! 3th!
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Post by laughter on Oct 13, 2013 6:23:44 GMT -5
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