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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 3:11:48 GMT -5
Let me clear this up for you. There is no such thing as no-self. the absence of a self is non-existance. Scaring yourself into believing that you won't exist is another barrier.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 3:33:56 GMT -5
the absence of a self is non-existance. Scaring yourself into believing that you won't exist is another barrier. what is this imaginary barrier you are projecting? fear?
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Post by lolly on Aug 31, 2013 5:40:15 GMT -5
You can be yourself even though they say you don't exist, because although it's subtle, there's a difference between what can't be identified and what doesn't exist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 7:54:15 GMT -5
You can be yourself even though they say you don't exist, because although it's subtle, there's a difference between what can't be identified and what doesn't exist. what is the difference between the unidentified and that which doesn't exist?
I have no-problem being nor do I have a problem with me or myself. To me self is One.
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Post by Reefs on Aug 31, 2013 12:08:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a misconception. It's not about denial here. It's about seeing the false for what it is and the real for what it is and not mixing/confusing the two. That's all. Non-self indicates an individual exists?
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Post by Reefs on Aug 31, 2013 12:43:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's odd for you because I'm not trying to get you to see that "the separate, volitional identity is an illusion"... I'm talking about what you actually perceive moment to moment and you keep wanting to think 'about' it... Actually, you're imagining what I'm doing and thinking, and then trying to correct what you imagine. You search for a difference between what you say and what I say, and of course you find it. (you're doing the same thing with Silence)I'm not clear why you do that, but it's a strong pattern for you. It seems he's mostly interested in some kind of dharma combat.
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Post by enigma on Aug 31, 2013 16:25:16 GMT -5
Actually, you're imagining what I'm doing and thinking, and then trying to correct what you imagine. You search for a difference between what you say and what I say, and of course you find it. (you're doing the same thing with Silence)I'm not clear why you do that, but it's a strong pattern for you. It seems he's mostly interested in some kind of dharma combat. I guess so, but it would be helpful if he first found points of disagreement, and then started the combat. He could take lessons from Tzu, who never has problems finding areas of disagreement with anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2013 19:57:54 GMT -5
Non-self indicates an individual exists?
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Post by amelia on Sept 1, 2013 7:23:29 GMT -5
So many questions...Faith, life, death, spirituality, rebirth. Witness this largest gathering of humanity as they're all tied together by one faith. This is a facinating documentary by Pan Nalin Faith Connections
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 7:54:30 GMT -5
So many questions...Faith, life, death, spirituality, rebirth. Witness this largest gathering of humanity as they're all tied together by one faith. This is a facinating documentary by Pan Nalin Faith Connections thanks... will look into this when my cap is lifted at end of month.
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Post by silence on Sept 1, 2013 11:00:17 GMT -5
Actually, you're imagining what I'm doing and thinking, and then trying to correct what you imagine. You search for a difference between what you say and what I say, and of course you find it. (you're doing the same thing with Silence)I'm not clear why you do that, but it's a strong pattern for you. It seems he's mostly interested in some kind of dharma combat. The mantra is strong in this one.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 2, 2013 6:16:18 GMT -5
It seems he's mostly interested in some kind of dharma combat. I guess so, but it would be helpful if he first found points of disagreement, and then started the combat. He could take lessons from Tzu, who never has problems finding areas of disagreement with anyone. He rather reminds me of Living back then. He used to drop a view standard non-dual buzz words/phrases but never went any deeper, i.e. no actual discussion happening.
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Post by Reefs on Sept 2, 2013 6:18:33 GMT -5
It seems he's mostly interested in some kind of dharma combat. The mantra is strong in this one. Exploring the dark side of the mantra force he does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 18:38:08 GMT -5
Maybe it's odd for you because I'm not trying to get you to see that "the separate, volitional identity is an illusion"... I'm talking about what you actually perceive moment to moment and you keep wanting to think 'about' it... Actually, you're imagining what I'm doing and thinking, and then trying to correct what you imagine. You search for a difference between what you say and what I say, and of course you find it. (you're doing the same thing with Silence)I'm not clear why you do that, but it's a strong pattern for you. Actually, if you are capable of perceiving, your only ever perceiving your own mind, and not an objective TRF that exists out in an objective world... I say 'if you are capable of perceiving', because it's more like asking one of my dream characters if they are capable of perceiving... Which they aren't...
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Post by enigma on Sept 3, 2013 18:49:09 GMT -5
Actually, you're imagining what I'm doing and thinking, and then trying to correct what you imagine. You search for a difference between what you say and what I say, and of course you find it. (you're doing the same thing with Silence)I'm not clear why you do that, but it's a strong pattern for you. Actually, if you are capable of perceiving, your only ever perceiving your own mind, and not an objective TRF that exists out in an objective world... I say 'if you are capable of perceiving', because it's more like asking one of my dream characters if they are capable of perceiving... Which they aren't... The notion that you are real, and everybody else is your dream character is one of those nasty misconceptions that makes bears so angry. Dream characters aren't, of course, 'out there' in an objective world. Is that something you need for me to believe so that you can disagree?
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