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Post by laughter on Aug 25, 2013 17:29:30 GMT -5
How, in this sense, is "Life" not your conceptual toy here? I'm not saying it isn't... I'm saying the first thought away from perception is the opening of the toy box... This forum wouldn't exist if it wasn't for conceiving... Oh, ok. ... yeah I actually documented my coming to understand where he was with respect to that point. It helps if you put everything E' says in the context that he sees it was well.
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 25, 2013 18:29:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. 'Who/what' gives you this "provisional self"? isn't just 'you' describing and aspect of what you 'are'? Be well..aullt exists Vedanta does not deny reality as we see it in our body/mind. We use this reality to remove ignorance with the end result of seeing who you are. For this a provisional self is used. Now from the Self point of view none of this actually exists. The Self is pure non dual but this info gets you nothing and allows no playing ground, allows nothing really so we use a provisional self to experiment with. be well also Nowhereman This is an interesting belief, what is Veanta? why does Vedanta hold sway over direct experience or still minded observation?.. what is it about "this" that suggests that it doesn't "actually exist"? What does 'non-dual' mean? I'm asking these questions because if seems like these descriptions reference intangible beliefs 'about' that which 'is'.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 18:33:46 GMT -5
I'm not saying it isn't... I'm saying the first thought away from perception is the opening of the toy box... This forum wouldn't exist if it wasn't for conceiving... Oh, ok. ... yeah I actually documented my coming to understand where he was with respect to that point. It helps if you put everything E' says in the context that he sees it was well. It would serve you well to put whatever you conceive about E back into the toy box...if you know what I mean...
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 25, 2013 19:05:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. This is an interesting belief, what is Veanta? why does Vedanta hold sway over direct experience or still minded observation?.. what is it about "this" that suggests that it doesn't "actually exist"? What does 'non-dual' mean? I'm asking these questions because if seems like these descriptions reference intangible beliefs 'about' that which 'is'.. Be well.. Some thoughts and it's good to remember Vedanta is a 2000 year old system solely designed to discover who you really are etc.Never a need to re-invent the wheel it worked then and works perfectly now.. Example What is your current desire? You wrote … " to become really awaken".
But what does that mean to you? What is hidden or you in the meaning of the word awaken. … and then one progresses from there.
Selfinquiry does not mean: Thinking the question "who am I" 24x7 like a parrot. It means inquiring into the experience of the moment. What is there? And what does it mean?
And then you may find that there are ideas and concepts which create suffering. … ideas like "I will die. I am alone. I need love. I need money. etc."
And it is vedanta and its tools which help you to inquire into those areas.
The tool for understanding who you are is Vedanta itself. That is what the word Vedanta means: It is the knowledge that ends the search for knowledge.
Now in terms of tools, there are many. There are Tools to:
- help you prepare your mind for self-knowledge (Qualifications)
- help you understand: “Who you are not”.
- help you understand: “Who you are”
- help you reconcile the apparent duality of the above
But the tools/teachings should be taught by a qualified teacher and they should be taught in a specific order and sequence.
Vedanta removes any doubts or vagueness or misconceptions about that in the mind for good. This understanding ends the search for yourself and ends any feelings of being limited. All limiting misconceptions about yourself such as “ l am a limited body, limited mind, limited witness, I am unenlightened, I am enlightened, etc.” are just concepts arising in me: Awareness.
Vedanta works because it is the firm removal of all misconceptions and doubts about yourself in your mind. Who you are then becomes obvious, because you are with yourself 24x7 and actually you already know who you are. The knowledge of who you are is subtler than the Intellect and the mind. You cannot but understand the smell of the rose. You do not have to think about it. That is how Vedanta works. Once this knowledge operates through your intellect and mind without any misconceptions, suffering based on limitation for you will end. Example: You believe you need Love from someone to be happy. If you find out that the source of all Love is yourself. You will never again need love from anyone. The knowledge operates in your intellect and your emotional center/heart from then on.
So that's it in a nutshell so to speak. It's best to inquire more from a Vedanta teacher not from me. I will tell you this it works. James Swartz has lots of free material on his website. Also Vedanta costs nothing to learn all Vedanta teachers has their own source of income they teach out of willing to be of service. You can donate if you wish but their is never a fee and the teaching is priceless.
Nowhereman
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 19:48:09 GMT -5
Greetings.. This is an interesting belief, what is Veanta? why does Vedanta hold sway over direct experience or still minded observation?.. what is it about "this" that suggests that it doesn't "actually exist"? What does 'non-dual' mean? I'm asking these questions because if seems like these descriptions reference intangible beliefs 'about' that which 'is'.. Be well.. Some thoughts and it's good to remember Vedanta is a 2000 year old system solely designed to discover who you really are etc.Never a need to re-invent the wheel it worked then and works perfectly now.. Example What is your current desire? You wrote … " to become really awaken".
But what does that mean to you? What is hidden or you in the meaning of the word awaken. … and then one progresses from there.
Selfinquiry does not mean: Thinking the question "who am I" 24x7 like a parrot. It means inquiring into the experience of the moment. What is there? And what does it mean?
And then you may find that there are ideas and concepts which create suffering. … ideas like "I will die. I am alone. I need love. I need money. etc."
And it is vedanta and its tools which help you to inquire into those areas.
The tool for understanding who you are is Vedanta itself. That is what the word Vedanta means: It is the knowledge that ends the search for knowledge.
Now in terms of tools, there are many. There are Tools to:
- help you prepare your mind for self-knowledge (Qualifications)
- help you understand: “Who you are not”.
- help you understand: “Who you are”
- help you reconcile the apparent duality of the above
But the tools/teachings should be taught by a qualified teacher and they should be taught in a specific order and sequence.
Vedanta removes any doubts or vagueness or misconceptions about that in the mind for good. This understanding ends the search for yourself and ends any feelings of being limited. All limiting misconceptions about yourself such as “ l am a limited body, limited mind, limited witness, I am unenlightened, I am enlightened, etc.” are just concepts arising in me: Awareness.
Vedanta works because it is the firm removal of all misconceptions and doubts about yourself in your mind. Who you are then becomes obvious, because you are with yourself 24x7 and actually you already know who you are. The knowledge of who you are is subtler than the Intellect and the mind. You cannot but understand the smell of the rose. You do not have to think about it. That is how Vedanta works. Once this knowledge operates through your intellect and mind without any misconceptions, suffering based on limitation for you will end. Example: You believe you need Love from someone to be happy. If you find out that the source of all Love is yourself. You will never again need love from anyone. The knowledge operates in your intellect and your emotional center/heart from then on.
So that's it in a nutshell so to speak. It's best to inquire more from a Vedanta teacher not from me. I will tell you this it works. James Swartz has lots of free material on his website. Also Vedanta costs nothing to learn all Vedanta teachers has their own source of income they teach out of willing to be of service. You can donate if you wish but their is never a fee and the teaching is priceless.
Nowhereman
What is Vedanta? It sounds like a name for a really trendy housing community in Florida.
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 19:51:09 GMT -5
How can it be free if you have no free will? There's appearance of free will, but heck.. you do not have the free will to live forever, do you? Nope, you do not. You are going to die one of these days and most likely by very unexpected and surprising ways.
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 19:55:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. 'Who/what' gives you this "provisional self"? isn't just 'you' describing and aspect of what you 'are'? Be well..aullt exists Vedanta does not deny reality as we see it in our body/mind. We use this reality to remove ignorance with the end result of seeing who you are. For this a provisional self is used. Now from the Self point of view none of this actually exists. The Self is pure non dual but this info gets you nothing and allows no playing ground, allows nothing really so we use a provisional self to experiment with. be well also Nowhereman Provisional self sounds like a soft-fall into surrender from a place of fooling-yourself-in-denial. What would happen if you let go of provisional self and just fell backwards into total surrender?
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 19:59:06 GMT -5
Greetings.. How can it be free if you have no free will? It's not an issue, we have freewill.. Be well.. Very very limited.
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 25, 2013 20:04:04 GMT -5
Vedanta does not deny reality as we see it in our body/mind. We use this reality to remove ignorance with the end result of seeing who you are. For this a provisional self is used. Now from the Self point of view none of this actually exists. The Self is pure non dual but this info gets you nothing and allows no playing ground, allows nothing really so we use a provisional self to experiment with. be well also Nowhereman Provisional self sounds like a soft-fall into surrender from a place of fooling-yourself-in-denial. What would happen if you let go of provisional self and just fell backwards into total surrender? Those kind of questions are there for you because you don't know what Vedanta is. You can keep asking circular questions and continue to seek or inquire but not from me as I am not a qualified teacher. If you are serious google and find a teacher. Vedanta been around for over 2000 years. It's the only teaching I ever came across that removes all ignorance and leaves no doubt whatsoever to who you are. good luck Nowhereman
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 20:13:57 GMT -5
Provisional self sounds like a soft-fall into surrender from a place of fooling-yourself-in-denial. What would happen if you let go of provisional self and just fell backwards into total surrender? Those kind of questions are there for you because you don't know what Vedanta is. You can keep asking circular questions and continue to seek or inquire but not from me as I am not a qualified teacher. If you are serious google and find a teacher. Vedanta been around for over 2000 years. It's the only teaching I ever came across that removes all ignorance and leaves no doubt whatsoever to who you are. good luck Nowhereman Eh, I guess I'm not that curious to google it.
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Post by enigma on Aug 25, 2013 20:14:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. It's not an issue, we have freewill.. Be well.. Very very limited. None at all, axshuly.
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Post by enigma on Aug 25, 2013 20:17:00 GMT -5
Eh, I guess I'm not that curious to google it. Advaita Vedanta is nonduality. It's what we mostly talk about here endlessly.
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Post by nowhereman on Aug 25, 2013 20:17:18 GMT -5
Eh, I guess I'm not that curious to google it. guess not
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 20:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by serpentqueen on Aug 25, 2013 20:20:20 GMT -5
Eh, I guess I'm not that curious to google it. Advaita Vedanta is nonduality. It's what we mostly talk about here endlessly. I didn't even know what advaita was until I joined here. I see there is advaita vs neo-advaita. And vedanta too? That seems like a lot of labeling/categorizing/ separating... which seems contradictory to the whole point so I have had zero interest in figuring out what that all meant.
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