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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 16:49:02 GMT -5
'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible. Lots of folks here seem to be able to manage a casual conversation with me. Any idea how they accomplish that near impossible feat? Maybe in meat space ('cause I don't know you in meat space), but here, I have no clue.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:52:39 GMT -5
Greetings.. How the hell (Oops!) could I tell you about what I'm currently deceiving myself about? Because 'you' are the one doing the deceiving.. the same you 'pretends' to be deceived to justify the deceptions you perpetuate on others.. Be well.. No, I'm not being deceived.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:58:27 GMT -5
See if you can follow this, Mr Bear. The moment one becomes sufficiently aware of one's current self deception to talk about it, it's no longer a current self deception. There's even the astronomically remote possibility that one remains sufficiently aware that such self deception doesn't occur in the first place. Are YOU aware of why you're following this choo-choo train of thought? What train of thought? You're the mental water polo guy, which is why I challenged you to notice your own self-deceptions in the first place. But, I guess that's impossible, as you note. So be it. Otherwise, I'm just talkin'. What self deceptions are you referring to? I see everybody grabbing their self deception pitchfork, which is easy to do when you don't have to actually identify them. So I guess the idea that every seeker is deceiving himself doesn't sit well with the seekers here. That's understandable, but why not pull yourself up instead of trying to pull me down? Where's the integrity in that?
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 17:06:45 GMT -5
Isn't it obvious that asking "Isn't it obvious?" implies you see it as obvious? Is it not obvious to you that asking such a question allows for the possibility that I could be mistaken? Actually, that you're saying what you are saying might reveal how you might assume that everything everyone says is incontrovertible because you believe that everything you say is incontrovertible. Sorry, E, but not everyone assumes this. ooo. I'm reaching your 'insanity' threshold? Cool. What are you going to do if I cross it? Will you stop making so many a$$umptions, then? I'll leave you alone and let you regain a little of your sanity.
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Post by silver on Aug 18, 2013 17:07:29 GMT -5
B-b-b-but he said it was me with the problem! Why do you throw stones at every dog that barks? Woof! No, just frogs.,
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Post by silver on Aug 18, 2013 17:07:55 GMT -5
Is it not obvious to you that asking such a question allows for the possibility that I could be mistaken? Actually, that you're saying what you are saying might reveal how you might assume that everything everyone says is incontrovertible because you believe that everything you say is incontrovertible. Sorry, E, but not everyone assumes this. ooo. I'm reaching your 'insanity' threshold? Cool. What are you going to do if I cross it? Will you stop making so many a$$umptions, then? I'll leave you alone and let you regain a little of your sanity. I'm sure that will help.
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Post by silver on Aug 18, 2013 17:12:30 GMT -5
Hmm. According to your own definition for things, you could be right - of course you're right - they're YOUR definitions. And that is how nobody can have a truthful debate with you. Clever. Whether or not you agree that the examples are valid is not the issue here. The issue is your claim that I don't give examples. Obviously, there's an array of communication problems that has been snowballing for quite some time, and that includes your singular focus on your way of expressing yourself when there's no real bridge between others and yourself. edit - and not saying i'm not without my own contributions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 17:34:08 GMT -5
excellent point. if one were currently in the trance of a deception, they wouldn't be able to "see" the error. a recognition (realization) would do away with that particular deception. I could tell you about some of the lies I used to carry around, but couldn't say a word about the ones I haven't recognized yet. Yes, assuming there even are any. It's absurd to hypothesize about it. I know what you're saying here. Sadly, I don't know what you're saying here. 'gradual' will have to do, till I do, hehe. it may not be much, but hey!, its better than 'not having a clue' perhaps.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 17:39:19 GMT -5
What train of thought? You're the mental water polo guy, which is why I challenged you to notice your own self-deceptions in the first place. But, I guess that's impossible, as you note. So be it. Otherwise, I'm just talkin'. What self deceptions are you referring to? I see everybody grabbing their self deception pitchfork, which is easy to do when you don't have to actually identify them. So I guess the idea that every seeker is deceiving himself doesn't sit well with the seekers here. That's understandable, but why not pull yourself up instead of trying to pull me down? Where's the integrity in that? Just talkin' about what in blazes is going on. Otherwise, I have no issue with the idea that the seeker deceives himself. Nor, do I have an issue with anyone who disagrees with that.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 17:41:00 GMT -5
Is it not obvious to you that asking such a question allows for the possibility that I could be mistaken? Actually, that you're saying what you are saying might reveal how you might assume that everything everyone says is incontrovertible because you believe that everything you say is incontrovertible. Sorry, E, but not everyone assumes this. ooo. I'm reaching your 'insanity' threshold? Cool. What are you going to do if I cross it? Will you stop making so many a$$umptions, then? I'll leave you alone and let you regain a little of your sanity. Cool. I'm down widdat. Doesn't mean I'll leave you alone, though.
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Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2013 18:57:20 GMT -5
Don't let the light go out! Andoligists unite! yEs! ... well, unless they don't won't or forget to ...
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Post by laughter on Aug 18, 2013 19:11:40 GMT -5
Why do you throw stones at every dog that barks? Woof! No, just frogs.,
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 19:31:50 GMT -5
Don't let the light go out! Andoligists unite! yEs! ... well, unless they don't won't or forget to ... As long as it brings a sense of joy and ease, it's fine.
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 18, 2013 20:20:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Because 'you' are the one doing the deceiving.. the same you 'pretends' to be deceived to justify the deceptions you perpetuate on others.. Be well.. No, I'm not being deceived. Yes, you are deceiving yourself into believing you are justified in your agenda to impose your beliefs on others.. your's is a form of spiritual violence, where you provoke others as a form of NLP to impose your beliefs through reprogramming techniques.. you have deceived yourself into believing that you are superior to those that don't agree with you.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 20:25:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. No, I'm not being deceived. Yes, you are deceiving yourself into believing you are justified in your agenda to impose your beliefs on others.. your's is a form of spiritual violence, where you provoke others as a form of NLP to impose your beliefs through reprogramming techniques.. you have deceived yourself into believing that you are superior to those that don't agree with you.. Be well.. Here we go, the NLP programming routine.
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