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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 14:12:57 GMT -5
I've been doing almost nothing but giving examples of self deception for years. You've been the example dozens of times. Hmm. According to your own definition for things, you could be right - of course you're right - they're YOUR definitions. And that is how nobody can have a truthful debate with you. Clever. 'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible.
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Post by silver on Aug 18, 2013 14:18:30 GMT -5
Hmm. According to your own definition for things, you could be right - of course you're right - they're YOUR definitions. And that is how nobody can have a truthful debate with you. Clever. 'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible. B-b-b-but he said it was me with the problem!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 14:31:10 GMT -5
'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible. B-b-b-but he said it was me with the problem! E's perceptions have been self deceiving for years... They won't change until they do...
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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 14:31:57 GMT -5
'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible. B-b-b-but he said it was me with the problem!
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Post by silver on Aug 18, 2013 14:35:45 GMT -5
B-b-b-but he said it was me with the problem! It took me a moment, Dave ~
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Post by tzujanli on Aug 18, 2013 15:41:44 GMT -5
Greetings.. No. I'm talking about your current self-deceptions. How the hell (Oops!) could I tell you about what I'm currently deceiving myself about? Because 'you' are the one doing the deceiving.. the same you 'pretends' to be deceived to justify the deceptions you perpetuate on others.. Be well..
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:18:01 GMT -5
How the hell (Oops!) could I tell you about what I'm currently deceiving myself about? Well, I would suspect in the same way you tell of everyone else of their own supposed self-deception. See if you can follow this, Mr Bear. The moment one becomes sufficiently aware of one's current self deception to talk about it, it's no longer a current self deception. There's even the astronomically remote possibility that one remains sufficiently aware that such self deception doesn't occur in the first place. Are YOU aware of why you're following this choo-choo train of thought?
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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 16:21:28 GMT -5
Well, I would suspect in the same way you tell of everyone else of their own supposed self-deception. See if you can follow this, Mr Bear. The moment one becomes sufficiently aware of one's current self deception to talk about it, it's no longer a current self deception. There's even the astronomically remote possibility that one remains sufficiently aware that such self deception doesn't occur in the first place. Are YOU aware of why you're following this choo-choo train of thought? What train of thought? You're the mental water polo guy, which is why I challenged you to notice your own self-deceptions in the first place. But, I guess that's impossible, as you note. So be it. Otherwise, I'm just talkin'.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:22:00 GMT -5
No, I asked, 'isn't it obvious?' This means it's not incontrovertible. In fact, silence himself can contest it or explain it, if he so chooses, but hasn't, at least not yet. Isn't it obvious that asking "Isn't it obvious?" implies you see it as obvious? You're approaching my insanity threshold here, Mr Bear, just so's you know.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:24:47 GMT -5
I've been doing almost nothing but giving examples of self deception for years. You've been the example dozens of times. Hmm. According to your own definition for things, you could be right - of course you're right - they're YOUR definitions. And that is how nobody can have a truthful debate with you. Clever. Whether or not you agree that the examples are valid is not the issue here. The issue is your claim that I don't give examples.
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Post by Beingist on Aug 18, 2013 16:28:41 GMT -5
No, I asked, 'isn't it obvious?' This means it's not incontrovertible. In fact, silence himself can contest it or explain it, if he so chooses, but hasn't, at least not yet. Isn't it obvious that asking "Isn't it obvious?" implies you see it as obvious? Is it not obvious to you that asking such a question allows for the possibility that I could be mistaken? Actually, that you're saying what you are saying might reveal how you might assume that everything everyone says is incontrovertible because you believe that everything you say is incontrovertible. Sorry, E, but not everyone assumes this. ooo. I'm reaching your 'insanity' threshold? Cool. What are you going to do if I cross it? Will you stop making so many a$$umptions, then?
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:32:43 GMT -5
How the hell (Oops!) could I tell you about what I'm currently deceiving myself about? excellent point. if one were currently in the trance of a deception, they wouldn't be able to "see" the error. a recognition (realization) would do away with that particular deception. I could tell you about some of the lies I used to carry around, but couldn't say a word about the ones I haven't recognized yet. Yes, assuming there even are any. It's absurd to hypothesize about it.
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:35:31 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me.....unless I'm lying and it doesn't. Hehe. Andology lives! Don't let the light go out! Andoligists unite!
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:47:02 GMT -5
Hmm. According to your own definition for things, you could be right - of course you're right - they're YOUR definitions. And that is how nobody can have a truthful debate with you. Clever. 'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible. Lots of folks here seem to be able to manage a casual conversation with me. Any idea how they accomplish that near impossible feat?
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Post by enigma on Aug 18, 2013 16:48:42 GMT -5
'Truthful debate'?! Heck, even casual conversation with him is p'rt near impossible. B-b-b-but he said it was me with the problem! Why do you throw stones at every dog that barks? Woof!
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