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Post by silver on Jul 21, 2013 11:35:01 GMT -5
I've been here at this forum for a year, and while soaking in the stuff this place has to offer, I still find myself not quite gellin' with non-duality and all the more closely related subjects. (Even though I've had 'experiences' off and on from childhood to now that point in non-duality's direction).
I'm finding myself getting rebuffed by who I call Frog Daddy (Enigma) - the big kahuna around these parts - some ignore him, some work around him, some - like myself - manage to find we're always in some sort of confrontation with him. All this has been mighty interesting, but haven't been able to satisfy my curiosity and thirst for what in blazes is really going on here with non-duality! I posted a comment about 'flavors' of non-duality and I decided to raise the question, about are there many flavors - or even just a few - of non-duality? I figure the answer has to be yes, but I want to know what - if any - variations are out there that you more experienced ones can help to more clearly define. Thanking you in advance for your ideas or advice.
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Post by Beingist on Jul 21, 2013 11:39:09 GMT -5
I like Rocky Road non-duality, myself. But strawberry's purty good, too.  |
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Post by Beingist on Jul 21, 2013 11:41:01 GMT -5
I've been here at this forum for a year, and while soaking in the stuff this place has to offer, I still find myself not quite gellin' with non-duality and all the more closely related subjects. (Even though I've had 'experiences' off and on from childhood to now that point in non-duality's direction). I'm finding myself getting rebuffed by who I call Frog Daddy (Enigma) - the big kahuna around these parts - some ignore him, some work around him, some - like myself - manage to find we're always in some sort of confrontation with him. All this has been mighty interesting, but haven't been able to satisfy my curiosity and thirst for what in blazes is really going on here with non-duality! I posted a comment about 'flavors' of non-duality and I decided to raise the question, about are there many flavors - or even just a few - of non-duality? I figure the answer has to be yes, but I want to know what - if any - variations are out there that you more experienced ones can help to more clearly define. Thanking you in advance for your ideas or advice. Try exploring Adyashanti. |
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 21, 2013 11:42:45 GMT -5
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Post by Ishtahota on Jul 21, 2013 11:53:06 GMT -5
There are teachers and there are books that one can use to learn about non-duality. But there is a third part that can only come from spirit and/or our higher self. It is a piece to the puzzle that puts all of the other stuff together. You just have to keep going at it to get that one key that unlocks it all for you. The sub-conscious does not know the difference between a symbolic act and a real act. Ceremony for me is the language that I use to get information from that part of myself.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 21, 2013 11:59:45 GMT -5
Non-duality is just a stupid idea. Duality is a strawman to begin with, then they debunk duality and feel like they solved everything. Idiots.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 12:24:35 GMT -5
I've been here at this forum for a year, and while soaking in the stuff this place has to offer, I still find myself not quite gellin' with non-duality and all the more closely related subjects. (Even though I've had 'experiences' off and on from childhood to now that point in non-duality's direction). I'm finding myself getting rebuffed by who I call Frog Daddy (Enigma) - the big kahuna around these parts - some ignore him, some work around him, some - like myself - manage to find we're always in some sort of confrontation with him. All this has been mighty interesting, but haven't been able to satisfy my curiosity and thirst for what in blazes is really going on here with non-duality! I posted a comment about 'flavors' of non-duality and I decided to raise the question, about are there many flavors - or even just a few - of non-duality? I figure the answer has to be yes, but I want to know what - if any - variations are out there that you more experienced ones can help to more clearly define. Thanking you in advance for your ideas or advice. Try exploring Adyashanti. Free book download -- it's not too long. The Way to Liberation. www.adyashanti.org/index.php?file=productdetail&iprod_id=533I've been reading it. It is a pretty boiled down version of an Adyashanti prescription. One of the first things he advises is becoming very clear with one's aspiration with regards to this whole seeking/spiritual biz. Also advised are a trio of meditation, inquiry and contemplation. Hey, it's free - I'm only to page 9 (70 altogether) - one nice thing about it is it's large print, fyi. ever finish that one miss no interest girl? ;-) |
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Post by silver on Jul 21, 2013 12:30:07 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies, thus far, everybody.  No, I didn't. I've read about 6-7 pages and I just find it sort of odd-sounding stuff.  I keep thinking surely I'll run across something that is died-in-the-wool non-dual without sounding 'odd'!  |
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 21, 2013 12:33:40 GMT -5
"To me the word nonduality has always felt so very dry and masculine. As a woman, although I am often called a nondual teacher, I have shied away from using this term much myself. The word ‘nonduality’ seems to have attracted a lot of men interested in playing with words and concepts rather than diving into the depths of feeling and sensation. It has also encouraged women and men, to think that they should understand those concepts, and if they don’t, then they don’t ‘get it’. But in the last 8 years or so, of teaching, I have explored the feminine expression of nonduality. The feminine expression seems to touch a lot of people in a way that they don’t necessarily understand. They may come to a meeting expecting to get or to understand something, and instead walk away having been stripped of everything. Both men and women have ideas about how the feminine expression should be or is. In my own journey, I have never known what it is to be a woman - and in that space of not knowing, the natural flow is continually expressed. You may assume that a feminine expression would be all ‘lovey dovey’ and about having nice relaxing experiences of love and sweetness. However, you may soon be surprised at the loving, but uncompromising sword that chops your head off." Read more here: www.die-to-love.com/the-feminine-expression-of-nonduality#.Uewaq20bj4Y |
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Post by quinn on Jul 21, 2013 12:43:08 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies, thus far, everybody. No, I didn't. I've read about 6-7 pages and I just find it sort of odd-sounding stuff. I keep thinking surely I'll run across something that is died-in-the-wool non-dual without sounding 'odd'! Ha. No - it's all going to sound odd. The thing is, Silver - non-duality isn't a philosophy or religion or conceptual model. It isn't something to be talked about, really. It begins with looking inward instead of looking outwards. See what's there. That's why I asked you if you meditate. Looking inward can be like looking at a hornet's nest at first, so most of us need some sort of practice to quiet the mind down. Tzu's recommendation to 'be still' is, IMO, critical. Until that happens, you won't be able to see much. So, really, no one's going to be able to tell you anything about non-duality. I'd say, stick with the EFT to settle things down a bit, since you like it so much. Follow your nose. |
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Post by Beingist on Jul 21, 2013 12:45:30 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies, thus far, everybody. No, I didn't. I've read about 6-7 pages and I just find it sort of odd-sounding stuff. I keep thinking surely I'll run across something that is died-in-the-wool non-dual without sounding 'odd'! Ha. No - it's all going to sound odd. The thing is, Silver - non-duality isn't a philosophy or religion or conceptual model. It isn't something to be talked about, really. It begins with looking inward instead of looking outwards. See what's there. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. |
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Post by silver on Jul 21, 2013 12:54:43 GMT -5
"To me the word nonduality has always felt so very dry and masculine. As a woman, although I am often called a nondual teacher, I have shied away from using this term much myself. The word ‘nonduality’ seems to have attracted a lot of men interested in playing with words and concepts rather than diving into the depths of feeling and sensation. It has also encouraged women and men, to think that they should understand those concepts, and if they don’t, then they don’t ‘get it’. But in the last 8 years or so, of teaching, I have explored the feminine expression of nonduality. The feminine expression seems to touch a lot of people in a way that they don’t necessarily understand. They may come to a meeting expecting to get or to understand something, and instead walk away having been stripped of everything. Both men and women have ideas about how the feminine expression should be or is. In my own journey, I have never known what it is to be a woman - and in that space of not knowing, the natural flow is continually expressed. You may assume that a feminine expression would be all ‘lovey dovey’ and about having nice relaxing experiences of love and sweetness. However, you may soon be surprised at the loving, but uncompromising sword that chops your head off." Read more here: www.die-to-love.com/the-feminine-expression-of-nonduality#.Uewaq20bj4YYes, I've just finished reading it - I think this is gonna help me, SQ. Very good~* |
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Post by silver on Jul 21, 2013 12:58:43 GMT -5
Thanks for all your replies, thus far, everybody. No, I didn't. I've read about 6-7 pages and I just find it sort of odd-sounding stuff. I keep thinking surely I'll run across something that is died-in-the-wool non-dual without sounding 'odd'! Ha. No - it's all going to sound odd. The thing is, Silver - non-duality isn't a philosophy or religion or conceptual model. It isn't something to be talked about, really. It begins with looking inward instead of looking outwards. See what's there. That's why I asked you if you meditate. Looking inward can be like looking at a hornet's nest at first, so most of us need some sort of practice to quiet the mind down. Tzu's recommendation to 'be still' is, IMO, critical. Until that happens, you won't be able to see much. So, really, no one's going to be able to tell you anything about non-duality. I'd say, stick with the EFT to settle things down a bit, since you like it so much. Follow your nose. Yes, I mentioned to Andy in another thread that I had a 'not-so-sure-about' as regards meditation - So, now I know that I have to settle into a kind of meditation that suits me. I figure everybody does a sort of meditation - I think what we call daydreaming can be one type. Yeah, when I first discovered EFT, I did it almost incessantly it was such a right-on thing. And now, I feel the same way about NLP.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 17:38:32 GMT -5
I've been here at this forum for a year, and while soaking in the stuff this place has to offer, I still find myself not quite gellin' with non-duality and all the more closely related subjects. (Even though I've had 'experiences' off and on from childhood to now that point in non-duality's direction). I'm finding myself getting rebuffed by who I call Frog Daddy (Enigma) - the big kahuna around these parts - some ignore him, some work around him, some - like myself - manage to find we're always in some sort of confrontation with him. All this has been mighty interesting, but haven't been able to satisfy my curiosity and thirst for what in blazes is really going on here with non-duality! I posted a comment about 'flavors' of non-duality and I decided to raise the question, about are there many flavors - or even just a few - of non-duality? I figure the answer has to be yes, but I want to know what - if any - variations are out there that you more experienced ones can help to more clearly define. Thanking you in advance for your ideas or advice. Hi Silver, The words "non-duality" are just a linguistic pointing at a kind of Gnosis that is uncomunicatable. Trying to "wrap your mind" around non-duality is about as pointless as trying to define God or Love with complete accuracy and understanding.....and yet, everyone tries to do it at some point lol Let the words "non-duality" pull you toward a different exploring a different way of knowing than the intellect...not toward another area of knowledge for you to expand on. non-duality has no "flavors", but as each human is unique, each will create their own "flavor" in how they relate to, or communicate non-duality. non-duality does not contain different flavors, as it does not contain differentiation...but in our communication with each other, we can only interact Mind to Mind, and his contains differentiation and "flavors". If you would gnosis non-duality, investigate the source of differentiation within you, and when you have become aware of what appears to be the "source" of the appearence of differentiation, investigate the means to let get appearence of differentiation and merge into the source from which differentiation appears. logistically, this is as easy as just sitting still and looking inward for the source of appearences and experiences, both mental and physical....look for the source of everything that you "inward" and "outward" experience. Once you find the source, and merge the seeker of the source into the source, you probably won't have anymore concerns about being able to "understand" duality and non-duality lol |
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Post by silver on Jul 21, 2013 18:03:25 GMT -5
I've been here at this forum for a year, and while soaking in the stuff this place has to offer, I still find myself not quite gellin' with non-duality and all the more closely related subjects. (Even though I've had 'experiences' off and on from childhood to now that point in non-duality's direction). I'm finding myself getting rebuffed by who I call Frog Daddy (Enigma) - the big kahuna around these parts - some ignore him, some work around him, some - like myself - manage to find we're always in some sort of confrontation with him. All this has been mighty interesting, but haven't been able to satisfy my curiosity and thirst for what in blazes is really going on here with non-duality! I posted a comment about 'flavors' of non-duality and I decided to raise the question, about are there many flavors - or even just a few - of non-duality? I figure the answer has to be yes, but I want to know what - if any - variations are out there that you more experienced ones can help to more clearly define. Thanking you in advance for your ideas or advice. Hi Silver, The words "non-duality" are just a linguistic pointing at a kind of Gnosis that is uncomunicatable. Trying to "wrap your mind" around non-duality is about as pointless as trying to define God or Love with complete accuracy and understanding.....and yet, everyone tries to do it at some point lol Let the words "non-duality" pull you toward a different exploring a different way of knowing than the intellect...not toward another area of knowledge for you to expand on. non-duality has no "flavors", but as each human is unique, each will create their own "flavor" in how they relate to, or communicate non-duality. non-duality does not contain different flavors, as it does not contain differentiation...but in our communication with each other, we can only interact Mind to Mind, and his contains differentiation and "flavors". If you would gnosis non-duality, investigate the source of differentiation within you, and when you have become aware of what appears to be the "source" of the appearence of differentiation, investigate the means to let get appearence of differentiation and merge into the source from which differentiation appears. logistically, this is as easy as just sitting still and looking inward for the source of appearences and experiences, both mental and physical....look for the source of everything that you "inward" and "outward" experience.
Once you find the source, and merge the seeker of the source into the source, you probably won't have anymore concerns about being able to "understand" duality and non-duality lolThanks, steve for that advice. The underscored is very clear to me. |
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No, I didn't. I've read about 6-7 pages and I just find it sort of odd-sounding stuff. 
