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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 24, 2013 14:37:31 GMT -5
Greetings.. "Offending someone"? That's one function of an apology,, similarly i can post a 'text wall' that people avoid simply due to volume, and they are not offended.. the apology is to those that will miss the opportunity for communication.. as for 'you', Top, separate from those that won't read the post and separate from 'Tzu' the author of the post.. thanks for reading.. "Functionality is not evidence of truth", no it isn't.. "functionality" is what is actually happening, "truth" is a stagnant and arbitrary set of personal values.. Be well.. For those that skipped your post, likely skipped your apology as well. All I'm pointing out is that the apology is more for yourself than anyone else. Functionality is not what is actually happening. Newtonian mechanics is functional, but not what is actually happening. Electrons, protons and neutrons are functional for all of chemistry, but that abstraction layer is not what is actually happening. It's functional to not engage in promiscuity because you believe it is a sin in the eyes of God, but God's wrath is not the reason the promiscuous catch STDs. Life is full of highly functional superstitious beliefs which have no connection to what is actually happening. Like the belief there is conversation going on here......
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 24, 2013 15:24:22 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. "Offending someone"? That's one function of an apology,, similarly i can post a 'text wall' that people avoid simply due to volume, and they are not offended.. the apology is to those that will miss the opportunity for communication.. as for 'you', Top, separate from those that won't read the post and separate from 'Tzu' the author of the post.. thanks for reading.. "Functionality is not evidence of truth", no it isn't.. "functionality" is what is actually happening, "truth" is a stagnant and arbitrary set of personal values.. Be well.. For those that skipped your post, likely skipped your apology as well. All I'm pointing out is that the apology is more for yourself than anyone else. Functionality is not what is actually happening. Newtonian mechanics is functional, but not what is actually happening. Electrons, protons and neutrons are functional for all of chemistry, but that abstraction layer is not what is actually happening. It's functional to not engage in promiscuity because you believe it is a sin in the eyes of God, but God's wrath is not the reason the promiscuous catch STDs. Life is full of highly functional superstitious beliefs which have no connection to what is actually happening. So.. when the collections and arrangements of electrons, protons and neutrons, energy, takes a consistent form, shape, and mass, and that unique form, shape, and mass functions to create an interactive experience with other forms, from which 'you' derive the meanings of this conversation.. that's not what's really happening??? is there even light down in THAT rabbit hole? Be well..
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Post by topology on Jul 24, 2013 22:00:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. For those that skipped your post, likely skipped your apology as well. All I'm pointing out is that the apology is more for yourself than anyone else. Functionality is not what is actually happening. Newtonian mechanics is functional, but not what is actually happening. Electrons, protons and neutrons are functional for all of chemistry, but that abstraction layer is not what is actually happening. It's functional to not engage in promiscuity because you believe it is a sin in the eyes of God, but God's wrath is not the reason the promiscuous catch STDs. Life is full of highly functional superstitious beliefs which have no connection to what is actually happening. So.. when the collections and arrangements of electrons, protons and neutrons, energy, takes a consistent form, shape, and mass, and that unique form, shape, and mass functions to create an interactive experience with other forms, from which 'you' derive the meanings of this conversation.. that's not what's really happening??? is there even light down in THAT rabbit hole? Be well.. Electrons, Protons and Neutrons are concepts and ideas that get talked about in specific contexts. That's all they are to me. I can talk the theory as good as anyone else, understand it, use it to seemingly manipulate the world, but at the end of the day I don't know what is actually happening independent of my perceptions and experiences. I press a button on my phone and it turns on. I type some numbers, hit "send" and hear a dial-tone, ringing, and then a familiar disembodied voice shouts into my ear. When a teacher demands I parrot the consensus of how it happens, I am fully capable of spinning the fantastical story about electrons, circuits, speakers, microphones, radio signals, networks, software, vibrations in the air, frequencies, yada yada yada. Is that really what's happening? Turns out the minimal story I need to be functional with a cell-phone is the story of "when I press buttons in this sequence and hit 'send' I hear a dial tone and sometimes I get the vocal and mental patterns of the person I was trying to contact to appear in my experience" That's all the story that is needed to be functional with a cell phone. And none of that functional knowledge referenced anything outside of the domain of personal experience. No hear-say needed. No consensus for what is going on. Just personal experience.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 24, 2013 23:06:43 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. So.. when the collections and arrangements of electrons, protons and neutrons, energy, takes a consistent form, shape, and mass, and that unique form, shape, and mass functions to create an interactive experience with other forms, from which 'you' derive the meanings of this conversation.. that's not what's really happening??? is there even light down in THAT rabbit hole? Be well.. Electrons, Protons and Neutrons are concepts and ideas that get talked about in specific contexts. That's all they are to me. I can talk the theory as good as anyone else, understand it, use it to seemingly manipulate the world, but at the end of the day I don't know what is actually happening independent of my perceptions and experiences. I press a button on my phone and it turns on. I type some numbers, hit "send" and hear a dial-tone, ringing, and then a familiar disembodied voice shouts into my ear. When a teacher demands I parrot the consensus of how it happens, I am fully capable of spinning the fantastical story about electrons, circuits, speakers, microphones, radio signals, networks, software, vibrations in the air, frequencies, yada yada yada. Is that really what's happening? Turns out the minimal story I need to be functional with a cell-phone is the story of "when I press buttons in this sequence and hit 'send' I hear a dial tone and sometimes I get the vocal and mental patterns of the person I was trying to contact to appear in my experience" That's all the story that is needed to be functional with a cell phone. And none of that functional knowledge referenced anything outside of the domain of personal experience. No hear-say needed. No consensus for what is going on. Just personal experience. Why does it happen? why do the electrons arrange themselves consistently in the 'functional patterns' that are the stage upon which we experience physical existence? Why do 'you' have a personal experience that is separate from someone else's personal experience? Why do 'you' have a personal experience, and there is also an interconnected interactive collective experience happening simultaneously? Be well..
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Post by topology on Jul 25, 2013 0:28:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. Electrons, Protons and Neutrons are concepts and ideas that get talked about in specific contexts. That's all they are to me. I can talk the theory as good as anyone else, understand it, use it to seemingly manipulate the world, but at the end of the day I don't know what is actually happening independent of my perceptions and experiences. I press a button on my phone and it turns on. I type some numbers, hit "send" and hear a dial-tone, ringing, and then a familiar disembodied voice shouts into my ear. When a teacher demands I parrot the consensus of how it happens, I am fully capable of spinning the fantastical story about electrons, circuits, speakers, microphones, radio signals, networks, software, vibrations in the air, frequencies, yada yada yada. Is that really what's happening? Turns out the minimal story I need to be functional with a cell-phone is the story of "when I press buttons in this sequence and hit 'send' I hear a dial tone and sometimes I get the vocal and mental patterns of the person I was trying to contact to appear in my experience" That's all the story that is needed to be functional with a cell phone. And none of that functional knowledge referenced anything outside of the domain of personal experience. No hear-say needed. No consensus for what is going on. Just personal experience. Why does it happen? why do the electrons arrange themselves consistently in the 'functional patterns' that are the stage upon which we experience physical existence? Why do 'you' have a personal experience that is separate from someone else's personal experience? Why do 'you' have a personal experience, and there is also an interconnected interactive collective experience happening simultaneously? Be well.. These questions are not my questions. Are they rhetorical for you? How are you wanting me to respond?
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Post by laughter on Jul 25, 2013 2:45:23 GMT -5
Greetings.. For those that skipped your post, likely skipped your apology as well. All I'm pointing out is that the apology is more for yourself than anyone else. Functionality is not what is actually happening. Newtonian mechanics is functional, but not what is actually happening. Electrons, protons and neutrons are functional for all of chemistry, but that abstraction layer is not what is actually happening. It's functional to not engage in promiscuity because you believe it is a sin in the eyes of God, but God's wrath is not the reason the promiscuous catch STDs. Life is full of highly functional superstitious beliefs which have no connection to what is actually happening. So.. when the collections and arrangements of electrons, protons and neutrons, energy, takes a consistent form, shape, and mass, and that unique form, shape, and mass functions to create an interactive experience with other forms, from which 'you' derive the meanings of this conversation.. that's not what's really happening??? is there even light down in THAT rabbit hole? Be well.. No, that's not what's happening, that's a model of what's happening. Even the words "what's happening" constitute a model of a sorts.
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Post by laughter on Jul 25, 2013 2:49:14 GMT -5
to all the broken angels to all the broken angels to all the tattered saints who walk among us invisibly anonymously blessing in this cold , electronic wasteland where shattered hearts bloom in the unrelenting glare of winter... invisible by choice... they are god's walking wounded sharing from their essence what they've been given, they give from their sense of forgiveness, they forgive from the great store of love, they love from the source of light, they shine the way from their broken hearts, they smile... charlie giardino 1/25/13 looking for change re-raking the zen garden what is different now in the sands? no matter the ripples, and perhaps moving stones no matter the smoothness what is different now about the substance of sand?
(gives special poet-club hand signal)Here upon the midnight clear There is no need to strain to hear The sound of voices that we know And lend us love to give to foe As the band does march away We chuckle well outside the sway Of poison dart shot toward the dove The notion of some risk to love There is no friend nor foe you see All it takes is forego me All it takes to see the smile Is to walk that extra mile Sometimes love it might sound sharp A fine-tuned edge on gilded harp Noone said it would be calm No promises of lifetime balm Take it grip it, choke the rake Throw it far out in the lake The circles they will cause no harm The silent ripples transmit charm Upper, lower all around Gliding movement Without sound See the cold hard steel of spheres Melt into our joyous tears Death and loss A fact of life No need to turn away from strife Meet it with a tear of love Nurture, feed, respect the dove When you feel that painful tug Know there is no risk to hug Know there is no risk to love From inside or from above In the water See the lie On the surface In your eye Know the truth Though running deep Is oh so near Saves you from sleep Nowhere to go Nothing to find Just lay down The tool of mind Put down the gun Lay down the knife The sword beat round Does save a life From useless thought That we were taught Though all were sold We never bought Forget the mine To gain the time That stretches out Infinite vine Gives bloom to life Gives life to love Nowhere to fall Push comes to shove A chasm deep We take that leap And find the faith That is Gods lathe The tattered smile The busted wings They evoke joy And God she sings A song so clear A midnight clear Closer that close Nearer than near
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