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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 19:11:54 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Please note that i did not characterize your character as 'good or bad', it is 'you' assigning those values.. do you understand? Be well.. That is very true but would you agree that by saying "be well" after every post, you are attempting to position yourself upon the "I'm a good guy cause I wish people well after every post" side of the world? Otherwise, why say that? It has no value if not given the context of being a " good" wish to someone.... I'm not interested in how you or anyone else perceives me, and even less concerned with your hang-ups about 'good/bad' values.. "Be well" is a practical choice that everyone has, choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole.. Please keep in mind, i'm not concerned with 'good/bad', i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony as we/us/Life evolve into our potential.. 'good/bad' are arbitrary values of desirability.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 21, 2013 20:46:47 GMT -5
where love is king it's not the raised hand, the harsh word or threat of punishment it's not the idea of judgement or thought of condemnation no, we welcome that or at the least expect it to happen... it is the open heart the spread apart arms of the lover the welcoming grace of god that we shrink from... we speak our unworthiness we cover our eyes and hide cower from the light slink into shadow where it's hard to see where our sin melds with the next the darkness covers our deeds for the moment... hearts of stone hardened and barricaded ready to fight, to scratch and to claw, to struggle never to fall... vulnerable and unafraid into peaceful surrender where love is born where love resides where love is king charlie giardino 12/27/12 A lamp lights the falling snow near a statue Stopped at a red light Frozen in time This view on the world It could have happened at any moment in life Might have been when I was a child Or when I was younger than now and on the prowl Could have happened years from now with a weak old hand on the wheel This view, the carved image standing steadfast against the snow Grazed by the light of the lamp It would have been the same each of those times The still, silent and gentle grace was there all along It was there at that corner in each of those times In every time that the snow fell to caress the granite brow Under the sweet light of that lamp In the kingdom of love Love is king in every heart Love is king on every corner Love reigns over every snowflake It is by the grace of love that light shines at all Love is found at any red light In every season At any time, in every moment Just stop, take one breath, ask for it, and it’s yours The wind picks up and the snow takes a different, steeper angle The light changes Time unfreezes, and movement demands its due Yet I remain on that corner There, looking up at a heart of stone Pelted in downy flakes, caressed by the light For in the kingdom of love In that moment Ever I Am
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 21, 2013 21:00:18 GMT -5
That is very true but would you agree that by saying "be well" after every post, you are attempting to position yourself upon the "I'm a good guy cause I wish people well after every post" side of the world? Otherwise, why say that? It has no value if not given the context of being a "good" wish to someone.... No, he says "Be Well" because Wellness is a given, it's who you are, it's integral to your being, it's your natural state that's revealed with a still mind (clarity), that's not muddied up by beliefs, delusions, biases, etc. That's a good spin job. But re-assigning definitions can be done to anything. Saying be unwell means lose your idea of self and see reality. Yeeeeeaaaaah. Sure it does. You believe that and I got some ocean front property in Arizona for ya.....
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 21, 2013 21:12:25 GMT -5
Greetings.. That is very true but would you agree that by saying "be well" after every post, you are attempting to position yourself upon the "I'm a good guy cause I wish people well after every post" side of the world? Otherwise, why say that? It has no value if not given the context of being a " good" wish to someone.... I'm not interested in how you or anyone else perceives me, and even less concerned with your hang-ups about 'good/bad' values.. "Be well" is a practical choice that everyone has, choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole.. Please keep in mind, i'm not concerned with 'good/bad', i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony as we/us/Life evolve into our potential.. 'good/bad' are arbitrary values of desirability.. Be well.. Choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole? It's like talking to the naked emperor sometimes with you. "i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony.... One of the more laughable quotes in a while from ya.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 21:24:27 GMT -5
Greetings..
Greetings, is an offer filled with opportunity and potential A fragile bridge offered between people and their private mindscapes An invitation to share an interval of sincere communion An offer to expose understanding and find more of it I see you, I read you I hear you, I feel you This is what i sense You telling me about who you are This is my understanding of your words, because my understanding has meaning unique to the me that is not you The fragile bridge where you and me stand and see there really is you and me and we
Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 21:45:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I'm not interested in how you or anyone else perceives me, and even less concerned with your hang-ups about 'good/bad' values.. "Be well" is a practical choice that everyone has, choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole.. Please keep in mind, i'm not concerned with 'good/bad', i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony as we/us/Life evolve into our potential.. 'good/bad' are arbitrary values of desirability.. Be well.. Choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole? It's like talking to the naked emperor sometimes with you. "i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony.... One of the more laughable quotes in a while from ya. You really are desperate to create a conflict.. why not just say that you don't like what is post? it's clear that you don't understand what i post, and you have offered no valid alternative perspective.. Why not try to engage in discussion? i'm open to revising my understandings if anyone can offer a more complete understanding that works relative to what is actually happening.. you seem angry and agitated rather than interested in actually trying to understand what you don't understand, or.. do you believe that you already understand everything there 'is'? Regardless, if you're not interested in open honest discussions with the intention to expand awareness and improve clarity, i'm not really interested in continuing this unproductive banter.. make an intelligent attempt, do something other than whine about what you don't like.. Be well..
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 22, 2013 1:10:49 GMT -5
Greetings.. Choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole? It's like talking to the naked emperor sometimes with you. One of the more laughable quotes in a while from ya. You really are desperate to create a conflict.. why not just say that you don't like what is post? it's clear that you don't understand what i post, and you have offered no valid alternative perspective.. Why not try to engage in discussion? i'm open to revising my understandings if anyone can offer a more complete understanding that works relative to what is actually happening.. you seem angry and agitated rather than interested in actually trying to understand what you don't understand, or.. do you believe that you already understand everything there 'is'? Regardless, if you're not interested in open honest discussions with the intention to expand awareness and improve clarity, i'm not really interested in continuing this unproductive banter.. make an intelligent attempt, do something other than whine about what you don't like.. Be well.. I didn't know there was something I needed to understand. Haha. Maybe that's where it gets lost in translation. You think there is something to get and I think there is just __________________. I am having an honest open discussion. I'm sorry you interpret me as angry and agitated and as me trying to create conflict. I am far from that. I find you entertaining and fun to poke at. You seem so serious all the time and you seem to know everything. Makes you a fun target for my humor. Plus you like to say things like Niz was only partially correct in what he said and blah blah blah. It makes it even more fun to tease you. There is nothing that can be taught to a closed mind. Especially when there is nothing to teach. This isn't some lesson to understand or a hitchhikers guide to living. So anything, anyone says to you will fall short of what you have convinced yourself to be "a more complete understanding that works relative to what is actually happening". What is this we are having if not an engagement of conversation? "Regardless, if you're not interested in open honest discussions with the intention to expand awareness and improve clarity, i'm not really interested in continuing this unproductive banter.. make an intelligent attempt, do something other than whine about what you don't like.. " Hahaha. Didn't know I was whining about something. I'll have to go back and re-read what I wrote. How does one expand awareness exactly? Here ya go, your big chance to show us your big spiritual muscles and actually answer a question asked.....
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Post by laughter on Jul 22, 2013 13:44:17 GMT -5
Greetings.. I'm not interested in how you or anyone else perceives me, and even less concerned with your hang-ups about 'good/bad' values.. "Be well" is a practical choice that everyone has, choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole.. Please keep in mind, i'm not concerned with 'good/bad', i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony as we/us/Life evolve into our potential.. 'good/bad' are arbitrary values of desirability.. Be well.. Choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole? It's like talking to the naked emperor sometimes with you. "i'm interested in what 'is', in what creates peace and harmony.... One of the more laughable quotes in a while from ya. Can't for the life-a-me figure out if it's from the Ministry of Love or the Ministry of Tzuth ...
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Post by laughter on Jul 22, 2013 13:50:03 GMT -5
Everyday mind is the way The world will turn Regardless of what we do, or what we don't The world will turn Just a little more sweetly If we give it our love
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 22, 2013 13:50:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. You really are desperate to create a conflict.. why not just say that you don't like what is post? it's clear that you don't understand what i post, and you have offered no valid alternative perspective.. Why not try to engage in discussion? i'm open to revising my understandings if anyone can offer a more complete understanding that works relative to what is actually happening.. you seem angry and agitated rather than interested in actually trying to understand what you don't understand, or.. do you believe that you already understand everything there 'is'? Regardless, if you're not interested in open honest discussions with the intention to expand awareness and improve clarity, i'm not really interested in continuing this unproductive banter.. make an intelligent attempt, do something other than whine about what you don't like.. Be well.. I didn't know there was something I needed to understand. Haha. Maybe that's where it gets lost in translation. You think there is something to get and I think there is just __________________. I am having an honest open discussion. I'm sorry you interpret me as angry and agitated and as me trying to create conflict. I am far from that. I find you entertaining and fun to poke at. You seem so serious all the time and you seem to know everything. Makes you a fun target for my humor. Plus you like to say things like Niz was only partially correct in what he said and blah blah blah. It makes it even more fun to tease you. There is nothing that can be taught to a closed mind. Especially when there is nothing to teach. This isn't some lesson to understand or a hitchhikers guide to living. So anything, anyone says to you will fall short of what you have convinced yourself to be "a more complete understanding that works relative to what is actually happening". What is this we are having if not an engagement of conversation? "Regardless, if you're not interested in open honest discussions with the intention to expand awareness and improve clarity, i'm not really interested in continuing this unproductive banter.. make an intelligent attempt, do something other than whine about what you don't like.. " Hahaha. Didn't know I was whining about something. I'll have to go back and re-read what I wrote. How does one expand awareness exactly? Here ya go, your big chance to show us your big spiritual muscles and actually answer a question asked..... Open-mindedness, seeing what 'is', rather than what you 'think' is.. living with unconditional sincerity.. No "big spiritual muscles", just my understanding of how to expand awareness.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 22, 2013 15:16:00 GMT -5
From here Ivan writes: The real you is ever new and alive and much too big to be your own.To which I reply: Though it feeds me and cloths me and gave birth to me I am not the Earth Though it sounds of a freight train to freedom Though on it blows in the sweet scent of heaven I am not the Wind Though it gives life to all here Though I feel it burning Deep down within Forever I am not the Sun, I am not Fire Though it cools me and purifies me Though it quenches my thirst and drips life into dust Though it flows in every nook and cranny of my being I am not Water Though it is my home, my prison, my reflection, my only point of reference Though it is the nexus of all pleasure, and the only way to greet pain I am not this body Though it contains love, honor, beauty, sanity and all that I cherish Although it is my ultimate survival tool Although it illuminates the greatest depth of mystery I am not a ghost I am not Thought Though they enchant me in their glimmering Though they astound the mind to quiet In their multitude In the unfathomable vastness of the darknes that embraces them I am not the Stars. I am not Infinity Though in the straining, but ever only one deep breath away In the listening The glistening The quiet, the silence, the absence of anything and everything Though in that, I can actually and finally hear myself I am not Peace Though without it nothing appears Although by and through it's agency all manifests I am not chaos, I am not the maelstrom Although it is the only way To make myself heard I am not LoveI AM
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Post by onehandclapping on Jul 22, 2013 17:22:21 GMT -5
Choosing "unwell" affects the collective whole? It's like talking to the naked emperor sometimes with you. One of the more laughable quotes in a while from ya. Can't for the life-a-me figure out if it's from the Ministry of Love or the Ministry of Tzuth ... hahaha. I don't know but I know a great graphics artist who could do the banners for the war banners.
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Post by laughter on Jul 23, 2013 18:31:33 GMT -5
seeker: I find it hard to grasp what exactly you mean by saying that you are neither the object nor the subject. At this very moment, as we talk, am I not the object of your experience, and you the subject? Niz: Look -- my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness 'love'; you may give it any name you like. Love says, 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. (Chapter 57, paragraphs 14 and 15 of "I AM THAT", "Beyond Mind, There is No Suffering")
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 23, 2013 18:45:18 GMT -5
seeker: I find it hard to grasp what exactly you mean by saying that you are neither the object nor the subject. At this very moment, as we talk, am I not the object of your experience, and you the subject? Niz: Look -- my thumb touches my forefinger. Both touch and are touched. When my attention is on the thumb, the thumb is the feeler and the forefinger -- the self. Shift the focus of attention and the relationship is reversed. I find that somehow, by shifting the focus of attention, I become the very thing I look at and experience the kind of consciousness it has; I become the inner witness of the thing. I call this capacity of entering other focal points of consciousness 'love'; you may give it any name you like. Love says, 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing.' Between the two my life flows. Since at any point of time and space I can be both the subject and the object of experience, I express it by saying that I am both, and neither, and beyond both. (Chapter 57, paragraphs 14 and 15 of "I AM THAT", "Beyond Mind, There is No Suffering") YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by laughter on Jul 23, 2013 18:53:32 GMT -5
YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SQ, is that one new to you? That's the quote that first directed my attention toward Niz.
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