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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 21, 2013 10:07:44 GMT -5
Thought I'd start a new thread for this one...
You struggle to define love because love is beyond all reason, is it not? Love is not a concept or an idea.
Love is when you look someone in the eye, and lose yourself completely. All separation disappears. All defenses come down. Two melt and merge and become one.
This is the aspect that's missing from forums like this -- we can't look each other in the eye. All we have is words, ideas, concepts.
I like to amuse myself often with a practice of meeting people in the eye. It's my observation that the majority of humans will not look you in the eye; their gaze will flit about, from forehead to nose to smile, landing only briefly here and there on your eyes. If you stare steadily, they will start to squirm and get nervous. Then you get the rare few who will return your gaze and lock into it. This happens with lovers or those who trust you, but it can also happen with total strangers just out and about. A relaxation happens and the melting and dropping of defenses occur next. If you are chit-chatting, what you are saying doesn't matter at all. There's a knowing and a recognition that is beyond reason and mind.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 10:29:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. Thought I'd start a new thread for this one... You struggle to define love because love is beyond all reason, is it not? Love is not a concept or an idea. Love is when you look someone in the eye, and lose yourself completely. All separation disappears. All defenses come down. Two melt and merge and become one. This is the aspect that's missing from forums like this -- we can't look each other in the eye. All we have is words, ideas, concepts. I like to amuse myself often with a practice of meeting people in the eye. It's my observation that the majority of humans will not look you in the eye; their gaze will flit about, from forehead to nose to smile, landing only briefly here and there on your eyes. If you stare steadily, they will start to squirm and get nervous. Then you get the rare few who will return your gaze and lock into it. This happens with lovers or those who trust you, but it can also happen with total strangers just out and about. A relaxation happens and the melting and dropping of defenses occur next. If you are chit-chatting, what you are saying doesn't matter at all. There's a knowing and a recognition that is beyond reason and mind. Love IS an idea, concept, attachment, BUT.. understanding the inspiration for that interpretation reveals a beautiful and brilliant process.. a resonance and coherence with Life that exceeds the potential of beliefs and attachments.. remember, the 'word' is not what it describes, and the "menu is not the meal".. let go of beliefs and attachments about the word 'love', and explore what is actually happening at the energetic level.. Be well..
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 21, 2013 10:41:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. Thought I'd start a new thread for this one... You struggle to define love because love is beyond all reason, is it not? Love is not a concept or an idea. Love is when you look someone in the eye, and lose yourself completely. All separation disappears. All defenses come down. Two melt and merge and become one. This is the aspect that's missing from forums like this -- we can't look each other in the eye. All we have is words, ideas, concepts. I like to amuse myself often with a practice of meeting people in the eye. It's my observation that the majority of humans will not look you in the eye; their gaze will flit about, from forehead to nose to smile, landing only briefly here and there on your eyes. If you stare steadily, they will start to squirm and get nervous. Then you get the rare few who will return your gaze and lock into it. This happens with lovers or those who trust you, but it can also happen with total strangers just out and about. A relaxation happens and the melting and dropping of defenses occur next. If you are chit-chatting, what you are saying doesn't matter at all. There's a knowing and a recognition that is beyond reason and mind. Love IS an idea, concept, attachment, BUT.. understanding the inspiration for that interpretation reveals a beautiful and brilliant process.. a resonance and coherence with Life that exceeds the potential of beliefs and attachments.. remember, the 'word' is not what it describes, and the "menu is not the meal".. let go of beliefs and attachments about the word 'love', and explore what is actually happening at the energetic level.. Be well.. We are saying the same thing, yes?
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 21, 2013 10:45:42 GMT -5
Thought I'd start a new thread for this one... You struggle to define love because love is beyond all reason, is it not? Love is not a concept or an idea. Love is when you look someone in the eye, and lose yourself completely. All separation disappears. All defenses come down. Two melt and merge and become one. This is the aspect that's missing from forums like this -- we can't look each other in the eye. All we have is words, ideas, concepts. I like to amuse myself often with a practice of meeting people in the eye. It's my observation that the majority of humans will not look you in the eye; their gaze will flit about, from forehead to nose to smile, landing only briefly here and there on your eyes. If you stare steadily, they will start to squirm and get nervous. Then you get the rare few who will return your gaze and lock into it. This happens with lovers or those who trust you, but it can also happen with total strangers just out and about. A relaxation happens and the melting and dropping of defenses occur next. If you are chit-chatting, what you are saying doesn't matter at all. There's a knowing and a recognition that is beyond reason and mind. 1 Corinthians 13 J.B. Phillips New Testament 1-3 If I speak with the eloquence of men and of angels, but have no love, I become no more than blaring brass or crashing cymbal. If I have the gift of foretelling the future and hold in my mind not only all human knowledge but the very secrets of God, and if I also have that absolute faith which can move mountains, but have no love, I amount to nothing at all. If I dispose of all that I possess, yes, even if I give my own body to be burned, but have no love, I achieve precisely nothing. 4 This love of which I speak is slow to lose patience—it looks for a way of being constructive. It is not possessive: it is neither anxious to impress nor does it cherish inflated ideas of its own importance. 5-6 Love has good manners and does not pursue selfish advantage. It is not touchy. It does not keep account of evil or gloat over the wickedness of other people. On the contrary, it is glad with all good men when truth prevails. 7-8a Love knows no limit to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that still stands when all else has fallen. 8b-10 For if there are prophecies they will be fulfilled and done with, if there are “tongues” the need for them will disappear, if there is knowledge it will be swallowed up in truth. For our knowledge is always incomplete and our prophecy is always incomplete, and when the complete comes, that is the end of the incomplete. 11 When I was a little child I talked and felt and thought like a little child. Now that I am a man my childish speech and feeling and thought have no further significance for me. 12 At present we are men looking at puzzling reflections in a mirror. The time will come when we shall see reality whole and face to face! At present all I know is a little fraction of the truth, but the time will come when I shall know it as fully as God now knows me! 13 In this life we have three great lasting qualities—faith, hope and love. But the greatest of them is love.
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 11:09:13 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Love IS an idea, concept, attachment, BUT.. understanding the inspiration for that interpretation reveals a beautiful and brilliant process.. a resonance and coherence with Life that exceeds the potential of beliefs and attachments.. remember, the 'word' is not what it describes, and the "menu is not the meal".. let go of beliefs and attachments about the word 'love', and explore what is actually happening at the energetic level.. Be well.. We are saying the same thing, yes? It is possible.. what i'm trying to convey is that if we limit what love 'is' by the baggage attached to the 'word', we will greatly diminish what is possible.. when feeling the energy of words, i feel a much deeper and more complete energy/connection with the word 'compassion' when 'pointing' to the same actuality that others us with the word 'love'.. i sense that compassion is the 'essence' of 'love'.. Be well..
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Post by laughter on Jul 21, 2013 11:13:08 GMT -5
love ... starting to think the more you love something ... the easier you let it go ... not that you want it to go but eventually out of love you release it with your blessing thankful for the time you had ~ grateful that you were privileged to ever love at all it is such a gift such a responsibility at the end of the day at the close of a life to be able to say I loved and was loved really ... what ever could be finer ... CG 9/8/10 The difference between love and lust is found in the remainder Can you see yourself in the eyes of a stranger? To move or not to move To do or not to do But ... to love or not to love? Is there really a question there? Why are you here? Why am I here? Why doesn't she love me? Doesn't she? Is there really a question here? Cardboard cut-outs seek revenge They might think they feel false passion But the fire inside would burn them down in seconds flat The opposite of love isolates bifricates duplicates diminuates shakes hates and is so so so much less that late Love is all there is? Is there really any question about this?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 11:14:15 GMT -5
Greetings.. Thought I'd start a new thread for this one... You struggle to define love because love is beyond all reason, is it not? Love is not a concept or an idea. Love is when you look someone in the eye, and lose yourself completely. All separation disappears. All defenses come down. Two melt and merge and become one. This is the aspect that's missing from forums like this -- we can't look each other in the eye. All we have is words, ideas, concepts. I like to amuse myself often with a practice of meeting people in the eye. It's my observation that the majority of humans will not look you in the eye; their gaze will flit about, from forehead to nose to smile, landing only briefly here and there on your eyes. If you stare steadily, they will start to squirm and get nervous. Then you get the rare few who will return your gaze and lock into it. This happens with lovers or those who trust you, but it can also happen with total strangers just out and about. A relaxation happens and the melting and dropping of defenses occur next. If you are chit-chatting, what you are saying doesn't matter at all. There's a knowing and a recognition that is beyond reason and mind. 1 Corinthians 13 J.B. Phillips New Testament 1-3 If I speak with the eloquence of men and of angels, but have no love, I become no more than blaring brass or crashing cymbal. If I have the gift of foretelling the future and hold in my mind not only all human knowledge but the very secrets of God, and if I also have that absolute faith which can move mountains, but have no love, I amount to nothing at all. If I dispose of all that I possess, yes, even if I give my own body to be burned, but have no love, I achieve precisely nothing. 4 This love of which I speak is slow to lose patience—it looks for a way of being constructive. It is not possessive: it is neither anxious to impress nor does it cherish inflated ideas of its own importance. 5-6 Love has good manners and does not pursue selfish advantage. It is not touchy. It does not keep account of evil or gloat over the wickedness of other people. On the contrary, it is glad with all good men when truth prevails. 7-8a Love knows no limit to its endurance, no end to its trust, no fading of its hope; it can outlast anything. It is, in fact, the one thing that still stands when all else has fallen. 8b-10 For if there are prophecies they will be fulfilled and done with, if there are “tongues” the need for them will disappear, if there is knowledge it will be swallowed up in truth. For our knowledge is always incomplete and our prophecy is always incomplete, and when the complete comes, that is the end of the incomplete. 11 When I was a little child I talked and felt and thought like a little child. Now that I am a man my childish speech and feeling and thought have no further significance for me. 12 At present we are men looking at puzzling reflections in a mirror. The time will come when we shall see reality whole and face to face! At present all I know is a little fraction of the truth, but the time will come when I shall know it as fully as God now knows me! 13 In this life we have three great lasting qualities—faith, hope and love. But the greatest of them is love. Why? this is conceptually related to an agenda. a religious agenda.. why choose a particular translation (J.B. Phillips New Testament)? Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 21, 2013 11:17:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. The difference between love and lust is found in the remainder Can you see yourself in the eyes of a stranger? To move or not to move To do or not to do But ... to love or not to love? Is there really a question there? Why are you here? Why am I here? Why doesn't she love me? Doesn't she? Is there really a question here? Cardboard cut-outs seek revenge They might think they feel false passion But the fire inside would burn them down in seconds flat The opposite of love isolates bifricates duplicates diminuates shakes hates and is so so so much less that late Love is all there is? Is there really any question about this?Yes, there really are questions about such beliefs.. Be well..
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 21, 2013 11:20:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. We are saying the same thing, yes? It is possible.. what i'm trying to convey is that if we limit what love 'is' by the baggage attached to the 'word', we will greatly diminish what is possible.. when feeling the energy of words, i feel a much deeper and more complete energy/connection with the word 'compassion' when 'pointing' to the same actuality that others us with the word 'love'.. i sense that compassion is the 'essence' of 'love'.. Be well.. Yes, we are saying the same thing.
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 21, 2013 11:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by laughter on Jul 21, 2013 11:51:08 GMT -5
god is love there isn't a reason for love it softens the heart without warning it comes in the dead of the night it enters the day without warning it follows no particular course it sails on the sea of surprises it's signs and it's wonders to show as bright as the sun as it rises it lightens the dark of despair it opens the soul unto laughter though tears still come as they will joy enters the soul shortly after and they say that god's name is love that's correct in my estimation he can shift any sadness to joy I believe that it's his obligation charlie gee 8/5/12 A sea of surprises! ... infectious CG! --- Quiet love is and still When we thrash When we cry out in pain That silence absorbs those Sometimes the wailing echos We hear them for as long as we seem to need to For as long as we seem to want to For as long as we forget who we are But in the end They fade Wrapped in an embrace of the noiseless void Motionless love is and still When we flail When we twirl and writhe and lash out The space for that to happen is there It can seem to get crowded Here on this rock A brace of knuckles feels a wall For as long as we seem to want to For as long as we forget who we are Deep love is and still A fathomless depth Bourne of cool swirling surprise Supporting us here as we drift Gifting us the void into which we stumble Never judging, never taking, never demanding, never deceiving Patient love is and still As it all plays out As we inevitibly As we eventually Find our feet on the shore Of here Of now Of forever
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Post by justlikeyou on Jul 21, 2013 12:11:20 GMT -5
Here is another angle on Love....mainly Love as it bears with the fault/error in another. I suspect that the silence some offer in return for the close minded digs and jabs they receive may find it roots in such a message.
"Love's quality of long-suffering without resenting those who torment you makes others desire the same strength for they all know the agonies that their resentment brings. They know deep down in their hearts that their cruelty toward you springs merely from their uncontrolled resentments toward the cruelties of others.
If you bear that cruelty in patience, you make people ashamed.
Your patient non-reaction prevents the feed back of your anger which only has the power to make them more angry and compulsively spiteful.
Others long for your kind of self-discipline; inwardly they are grateful for the calmness which you return not that angry emotion that only succeeds in making them hate even more. In this calmness they can see reason and Truth.
They are grateful for the way you showed it to them.
By accepting their blame and criticism willingly, you are saying to them in spiritual language: I know that you are not strong enough to bear your own shame; you fear that guilt would kill you if you faced the light. I will take that blame for you for I know the agonies which you suffer. I understand the reason for your actions and hatred toward me but because I am the other end of your self, I cannot hate you. I will bear your agony that you might live.
As we extend to our brother the same forgiveness that extends to us from the Spirit within a magic awakening occurs for he sees what you are doing for him in the secret place of his soul.
You are not like everyone else endlessly turning hate and blame back upon him causing anguish in his inward parts from the blame that he is forced to bear cast upon him by others who are not willing to see their own faults.
Yet, sadly enough he has been accusing you in exactly the same way.
It is the guilt of others that he must carry, along with his own, that has made him like the beast yet you love him enough to understand this; you are strong enough to remain calm and willingly carry his load!
He feels his shame as he sees the gentleness of Truth and the calmness of love.
This is something greater than anything which he has ever seen and for the first time in his life, he will respect another human form.
In a magic moment of Truth, he sees himself for what he is just as cruel to you as his tormenters were to him.
Yet you were not compulsively tricked into carrying his burden, you did it graciously, and of your own free will.
You have not resisted evil; instead you have robbed evil of its strengthening achievement.
By not fighting the error in your brother, you have relieved him of the battle which he also does not truly wish to fight...the battle which he is forced into by the accumulated hostilities and guilts which he must unload upon the other poor souls who stand in the battle lines of life.
How grateful he is for your willingness to take his guilt and blame upon yourself without force and, in that moment of Truth, he feels the blessed relief of shame as he repents.
He sees the Godly light in you; he sees again the forgiving nature of God instead of the wrath which he so dreaded.
At that moment his fear to admit the error leaves him allowing Love to be born again in him as he now returns to God and to reality like the prodigal son.
No longer does your brother wish to thrust his burden upon you for he sees the strength that a load can bring, and what this same love now abiding in him will do for those whom he longs to love.
He wishes to bring "life" to others just as it has been given to him.
Thus love is created in the hearts of other men, gladly humble and joyfully inferior.
Ashamed of our past attitudes, we are now willing and able to carry our own loads and to bear our own crosses as we assume, at long last, our rightful place with God Who lives in our hearts.
We are able now to firmly plant these seeds of love into the souls of others
When Jesus died, persecuted for his goodness, bearing with compassion all the guilts of the world, Love sprang to life for those who watched, then and now.
He lives in them, and be lives unto this day, multiplied in the hearts of all those who find his gentle pathway to eternal life through his LOVE." by R. Masters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 12:30:46 GMT -5
Greetings.. Yes, there really are questions about such beliefs.. Be well.. What is meant by 'Love is all there is' is that Love is all encompassing... And that it encompasses all questions and beliefs about Love... Which means 'Love is all there is'...
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Post by Beingist on Jul 21, 2013 12:32:26 GMT -5
When Jesus died, persecuted for his goodness, bearing with compassion all the guilts of the world, Love sprang to life for those who watched, then and now. Nah. Jesus was just looking for a better experience (if you follow Andrigma logic).
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 21, 2013 12:35:04 GMT -5
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