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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 23:12:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. You are 'that' which is aware.. awareness is not 'something', it is a state of consciousness.. the general understanding and use of the term is sufficient for all purposes, i.e.: from Wikipedia: Why distort such simple clarity? Why redefine such a clear and functional term? to claim that " you are awareness" is just more 'woo woo' speak, dependent upon conceptualization and beliefs.. there is only what is actually happening, redefining common language to suit desired beliefs creates confusion, separation, and ambiguity in the relationships between people's private mindscapes and understandings.. simplify, "if it ain't broke don't fix it".. it is directly experiencable and self-evident that you are not awareness. Be well.. Your here on this forum for a reason and it's due to the fact that something in you is rallying, maybe after a life time or two... It wishes to relinquish for just a moment the hold that reason has on your attention. And in that moment you will be what you have always been, aware... Haha, are you becoming Tzu? He seems to have CLARITY that EVERYONE except him is absorbed in BELIEF And you seem to have AWARENESS that EVERYONE but you is absorbed in REASON
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 23:13:30 GMT -5
sure, you seem a reasonable person, that has something to share with me, if I understand your words you have texted. The only thing that I'm sharing is what you already are and have forgotten, that you are awareness... What you are aware of on your computer is a perception, it is your attention on reason which says there is a reasonable person called trf that has something to share with me... Your attention is being held by the reason of your perception... You are awareness or a perceiver and not the percieved or the perception. pardon? can you tell me more about non-duality?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 19, 2013 23:26:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. "Awareness" is a concept, a description.. i am not a description.. I am not interested in the idea of a "most essential nature", that is a self-referencing thought loop.. i am interested in what is actually happening, 'now'.. I am 'that' which 'is', experiencing its own existence through itself as you/me/we/us/Life.. i am what is left when the illusions, and beliefs, and descriptions fall away.. My understanding of clarity is the ability to observe, experience, or realize what is actually happening without distortion or influence.. clarity reveals, without contradiction or conflict, what 'is'.. Be well.. Some people just call that bit in red "Awareness" as a kind of short hand for what you typed put in a whole paragraph....would you prefer that folks wrote out that whole paragraph when communicating here, instead of just using the word Awareness in the same context that you typed out in that sentence? Why call it a description that already has a functional use that is not the same as the "paragraph"? calling it 'awareness' introduces ambiguity and confusion since the redefined use is not consistent with the common use.. referencing a commonly used and understood term, like 'awareness', as a belief about "what you are", causes an unnecessary disconnect with reality.. why is there the need to describe "what we are" with shorthand ambiguity? If asked to describe with one word, "What are you?", i resonate with the word 'Life', which includes awareness.. but really, what is the purpose of describing 'what we are', is it not self-evident? Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 23:28:35 GMT -5
Your here on this forum for a reason and it's due to the fact that something in you is rallying, maybe after a life time or two... It wishes to relinquish for just a moment the hold that reason has on your attention. And in that moment you will be what you have always been, aware... Haha, are you becoming Tzu? He seems to have CLARITY that EVERYONE except him is absorbed in BELIEF And you seem to have AWARENESS that EVERYONE but you is absorbed in REASON Well if that's your perceptions it's your perceptions... Thanks for sharing...
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 19, 2013 23:35:18 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. You are not fully present.. you are attached to ideas and meanings and beliefs, you see/experience through those beliefs, which distorts your 'awareness'.. just look and see what is actually happening, stop thinking that the 'description' is what's happening.. you have mistaken the menu for the meal, 'awareness' describes a function of 'that' which 'is'.. I am 'that' which 'is', awareness comes and goes.. aware/awareness is a 'function' of what you/me/we/us/Life 'are'.. apart from 'that which 'is' there is no awareness.. Be well.. Ooops my mistake, your reasonableness has your nuts in a vice... My perception of your attention relinquishing it's fixation on your perceptions was actually premature and off by a lifetime or two... Interested in my 'nuts', eh.. yeah, that sounds about right for your level of 'awareness'.. your "mistake' is 'thinking' you understand what you're thinking, and your inability to stop thinking and just see.. but keep at it, kiddo.. you're doing a swell job, i'll wager it 'feels' like a carnival fun-house full of distorted mirrors, for you, LOL.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 23:40:23 GMT -5
The only thing that I'm sharing is what you already are and have forgotten, that you are awareness... What you are aware of on your computer is a perception, it is your attention on reason which says there is a reasonable person called trf that has something to share with me... Your attention is being held by the reason of your perception... You are awareness or a perceiver and not the percieved or the perception. pardon? can you tell me more about non-duality? That's the trouble with trying to convey awareness through the medium of perceptions... Firstly it's not necessary, and secondly it's rarely if ever the cause of momentarily withdrawing ones attention from ones perceptions...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 23:53:02 GMT -5
Greetings.. Ooops my mistake, your reasonableness has your nuts in a vice... My perception of your attention relinquishing it's fixation on your perceptions was actually premature and off by a lifetime or two... Interested in my 'nuts', eh.. yeah, that sounds about right for your level of 'awareness'.. your "mistake' is 'thinking' you understand what you're thinking, and your inability to stop thinking and just see.. but keep at it, kiddo.. you're doing a swell job, i'll wager it 'feels' like a carnival fun-house full of distorted mirrors, for you, LOL.. Be well.. I love your perceptions tzu, nuts, levels of awareness, mistakes, thinking, understanding, chastising, wagers, feeling and all the excitement of Disneyland... That should keep your attention busy at least until the perception of yourself passes away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 5:16:35 GMT -5
pardon? can you tell me more about non-duality? That's the trouble with trying to convey awareness through the medium of perceptions... Firstly it's not necessary, and secondly it's rarely if ever the cause of momentarily withdrawing ones attention from ones perceptions... ok, can you say anything about mental illness? like, what is the root of mental illness within the intellect?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 5:22:27 GMT -5
spent 5 hours in the local tavern, meeting ppl from all over the world, listening to brilliant music by local bands. Some of the ppl I meet were highly educated an interested in the tiniest of ideas, an we shared alot with regards the last 80,000 years here in australia an the developing intelligence of mankind an what empowers it.
Has anyone here have an interest in life an death...? if so so, see you in me own thread otherwise, I'm out of here. love
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 11:02:25 GMT -5
That's the trouble with trying to convey awareness through the medium of perceptions... Firstly it's not necessary, and secondly it's rarely if ever the cause of momentarily withdrawing ones attention from ones perceptions... ok, can you say anything about mental illness? like, what is the root of mental illness within the intellect? Only perceptions can be mentally ill, and only perceptions delve into the root causes of perceptions... You are not a perception...
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Post by sparkler on Jul 20, 2013 18:46:52 GMT -5
I like this thread ~ If one mastered not thinking and had ears to listen ..maybe they would hear the recording of patterns zooming through the mind lol
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 20, 2013 18:59:55 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Interested in my 'nuts', eh.. yeah, that sounds about right for your level of 'awareness'.. your "mistake' is 'thinking' you understand what you're thinking, and your inability to stop thinking and just see.. but keep at it, kiddo.. you're doing a swell job, i'll wager it 'feels' like a carnival fun-house full of distorted mirrors, for you, LOL.. Be well.. I love your perceptions tzu, nuts, levels of awareness, mistakes, thinking, understanding, chastising, wagers, feeling and all the excitement of Disneyland... That should keep your attention busy at least until the perception of yourself passes away. It will be interesting to see you wake-up and realize that it is 'you' that is doing the perceiving, the mistaking, the thinking, and.. it will fun to see you realize that that you are a victim of your own imagination.. so continue, it is inevitable and i am patient.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 19:55:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. I love your perceptions tzu, nuts, levels of awareness, mistakes, thinking, understanding, chastising, wagers, feeling and all the excitement of Disneyland... That should keep your attention busy at least until the perception of yourself passes away. It will be interesting to see you wake-up and realize that it is 'you' that is doing the perceiving, the mistaking, the thinking, and.. it will fun to see you realize that that you are a victim of your own imagination.. so continue, it is inevitable and i am patient.. Be well.. Yes I am perceiving and I am perceiving tzu's words appearing on my computer screen. As such there is no sentience behind the words, no intelligence, no tzu that exists for me outside of the perception. When I ask if you are a aware, I'm really asking a perception if it can perceive, which is really kinda insane... And now I am aware of the perception of trf typing and hitting the create post button...
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 20, 2013 21:24:43 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. It will be interesting to see you wake-up and realize that it is 'you' that is doing the perceiving, the mistaking, the thinking, and.. it will fun to see you realize that that you are a victim of your own imagination.. so continue, it is inevitable and i am patient.. Be well.. Yes I am perceiving and I am perceiving tzu's words appearing on my computer screen. As such there is no sentience behind the words, no intelligence, no tzu that exists for me outside of the perception. When I ask if you are a aware, I'm really asking a perception if it can perceive, which is really kinda insane... And now I am aware of the perception of trf typing and hitting the create post button... If you have the capacity, and you may not, you may already be too far 'down the rabbit-hole' try to just be aware that 'you' are creating a story in your mind about what is actually happening.. recall a time before you started 'thinking' these 'stories'.. stop 'thinking these stories', now.. it's that simple, just pay attention to what is happening.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 22:00:13 GMT -5
ok, can you say anything about mental illness? like, what is the root of mental illness within the intellect? Only perceptions can be mentally ill, and only perceptions delve into the root causes of perceptions... You are not a perception... fascinating, illness within the realm of the intellect is due to Nothingness. If I am ill perceiving does that make you Nothing?
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