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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 1:05:31 GMT -5
There appears to be Awareness, and what blossoms forth from Awareness Awareness, and what Awareness is Aware OF. Awareness does not act consciously, but it is the original dream born of slumber that gives birth to all phenomena in the dream of Mind original dream, born of slumber... in the first dream arising that morning me partner asked me the melbourne cup numbers of horses i wanted to back with a dollar. Out of the twilight-zone came three horses which she went ahead an backed... an i won the trifecta....$3000(cant remember the exact amount) Life is Kind.
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Post by lolly on Jul 17, 2013 7:41:15 GMT -5
The listener refers to the person who is listening. Listening pertains to hearing sound. Its not 'telling', that's for sure
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 10:06:11 GMT -5
I'm aware... how much simpler is it than that?? I'm aware of Samadhi, I am aware of listening, I am aware of observing, I am aware of heckling, I am aware of appearances, I am aware of attention... I'm aware... Tell me tzu, are you sentient, yes or no?? Are you addressing me or Tzu? If its me, then you'll need to explain what "sentient" means to you ;-) As an aside, all those things that you are aware of is a kind of sleeping dream, as is your Awareness itself. There is nothing wrong with this, but it is not Enlightenment, it is not wakefulness, it is dreaming/sleeping. The simplicity of awareness is incomprehensible to your reasonableness...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 10:09:23 GMT -5
I'm aware... how much simpler is it than that?? Some dreams are simple, some are more complex, but dreaming is still dreaming Sentience is also a kind of dream. I am aware of dreams... For you dreams are the reason awareness will always escape you...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 10:19:35 GMT -5
Some dreams are simple, some are more complex, but dreaming is still dreaming Sentience is also a kind of dream. I am aware of dreams... For you dreams are the reason awareness will always escape you... Ahh, the heckler is back When I was saying to give up knowing you heckled that, and when I am saying that you are a dream,, a kind of sleep in comparison to Samadhi you heckle still lol have you ever wondered why you say these things? Where is reason in Samadhi? Haha, fortunately, this forum has the technology to eliminate hecklers without conflict, which we shall make use of now :-) Goodbye for now TRF, I'll check back in on you in a couple weeks if I remember, though my memory isn't so good lately The only way that I am aware of that will show you that your awareness is a slumber, a dream, is by undoing Awareness in Samadhi, good luck my friend ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 11:45:17 GMT -5
I am aware of dreams... For you dreams are the reason awareness will always escape you... Ahh, the heckler is back When I was saying to give up knowing you heckled that, and when I am saying that you are a dream,, a kind of sleep in comparison to Samadhi you heckle still lol have you ever wondered why you say these things? Where is reason in Samadhi? Haha, fortunately, this forum has the technology to eliminate hecklers without conflict, which we shall make use of now :-) Goodbye for now TRF, I'll check back in on you in a couple weeks if I remember, though my memory isn't so good lately The only way that I am aware of that will show you that your awareness is a slumber, a dream, is by undoing Awareness in Samadhi, good luck my friend ;-) Reason has your awareness by the balls in this lifetime, perhaps it won't be such an obstacle in future lifetimes... Adios
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 16:05:27 GMT -5
Ahh, the heckler is back When I was saying to give up knowing you heckled that, and when I am saying that you are a dream,, a kind of sleep in comparison to Samadhi you heckle still lol have you ever wondered why you say these things? Where is reason in Samadhi? Haha, fortunately, this forum has the technology to eliminate hecklers without conflict, which we shall make use of now :-) Goodbye for now TRF, I'll check back in on you in a couple weeks if I remember, though my memory isn't so good lately The only way that I am aware of that will show you that your awareness is a slumber, a dream, is by undoing Awareness in Samadhi, good luck my friend ;-) Reason has your awareness by the balls in this lifetime, perhaps it won't be such an obstacle in future lifetimes... Adios Haha, if you didn't "understand" this stuff so much, you'd Gnosis the utter impossibility of your statement. Sorry bro, but I don't hang out in the unmoderated section for a "reason" lol No interest in engaging in this kind of dialogue my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 17:05:24 GMT -5
Reason has your awareness by the balls in this lifetime, perhaps it won't be such an obstacle in future lifetimes... Adios Haha, if you didn't "understand" this stuff so much, you'd Gnosis the utter impossibility of your statement. Sorry bro, but I don't hang out in the unmoderated section for a "reason" lol No interest in engaging in this kind of dialogue my friend. That's just it steven, your reasonable mind isn't capable of letting go and simply being awareness... It strives to observe and understand awareness, which is folly... You are a perception of my awareness steven, where as you see trf as 'real'. That's why I can heckle my perceptions with reckless abandon and you run from yours with reckless abandon... So if your done be done and quit bothering me Bro...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 17:56:52 GMT -5
Haha, if you didn't "understand" this stuff so much, you'd Gnosis the utter impossibility of your statement. Sorry bro, but I don't hang out in the unmoderated section for a "reason" lol No interest in engaging in this kind of dialogue my friend. That's just it steven, your reasonable mind isn't capable of letting go and simply being awareness... It strives to observe and understand awareness, which is folly... You are a perception of my awareness steven, where as you see trf as 'real'. That's why I can heckle my perceptions with reckless abandon and you run from yours with reckless abandon... So if your done be done and quit bothering me Bro... Haha, with all due respect, are you totally insane? Have you read anything that I've written hear, if so, how could you possible come to the conclusion that I am saying that you, or anything else is "real"? In fact, I am saying that nothing is real, including your "Awareness", if anyone in this conversation is clinging to a "Realness", its you clinging to the realness of your awareness. And seemingly me telling you (from experience and not reason), that your Awareness is a dream, has gotten you plenty riled up, enough to make up stories in your mind about how I must be deluded in some way for saying that your awareness is also "not real". I've never seen you upset like this, so this one must have really struck home to one of your last closely held illusions. So let me be clear, I am not reasoning that your Awareness is a dream/sleep happening, I'm saying it from experience of seeing it appear and disappear when moving to and for from the wakefulness of Samadhi..... You can accept that or not, or "practice" Samadhi and "see" for yourself or not.... But don't create the illusion that I am saying or experiencing you to be real lol I am saying that you are not "real", nor is your Awareness "Real" in the sense that it is a part of your dream or Mind State of being. You, on the other hand, are claiming that something is real: Your Awareness And seemingly are getting very Uncharacteristically agitated over someone claiming from "experience" that your Awareness is a kind of Mind that only occurs absent the wakefulness of Samadhi. Where have I written anything whatsoever that leads you to believe that I perceive you as "real" lol This is the clearest case of projection that I've ever seen here lol You say that you are Awareness and that Awareness is the only thing that's real, and then I say that Awareness is also Mind and only existing in the dream of self, then you get angry and accuse me of "reasoning" that you are real lol Is a little funny....One day you will probably laugh about this my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 18:05:58 GMT -5
One thing seems fairly certain TRF:
If you keep clinging to the realness of your essential awareness, instead of letting it go in Samadhi, and then observing as it comes back into being/dream over and over, you will likely always REASON that your Awareness must be real lol
Up to you, I am not trying to convince you, I'm challenging you to look for yourself, WITHOUT REASONING.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 18:08:38 GMT -5
Who knows, maybe what was experienced in the moment of "becoming" the dream of Awareness and what flows from Awareness when moving from Samadhi is a delusion, but you will never gnosis unless you look for yourself.
Most people are afraid to look in this way....are you?
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Post by topology on Jul 17, 2013 18:26:20 GMT -5
That's just it steven, your reasonable mind isn't capable of letting go and simply being awareness... It strives to observe and understand awareness, which is folly... You are a perception of my awareness steven, where as you see trf as 'real'. That's why I can heckle my perceptions with reckless abandon and you run from yours with reckless abandon... So if your done be done and quit bothering me Bro... Haha, with all due respect, are you totally insane? Have you read anything that I've written hear, if so, how could you possible come to the conclusion that I am saying that you, or anything else is "real"? In fact, I am saying that nothing is real, including your "Awareness", if anyone in this conversation is clinging to a "Realness", its you clinging to the realness of your awareness.And seemingly me telling you (from experience and not reason), that your Awareness is a dream, has gotten you plenty riled up, enough to make up stories in your mind about how I must be deluded in some way for saying that your awareness is also "not real". I've never seen you upset like this, so this one must have really struck home to one of your last closely held illusions. So let me be clear, I am not reasoning that your Awareness is a dream/sleep happening, I'm saying it from experience of seeing it appear and disappear when moving to and for from the wakefulness of Samadhi..... You can accept that or not, or "practice" Samadhi and "see" for yourself or not.... But don't create the illusion that I am saying or experiencing you to be real lol I am saying that you are not "real", nor is your Awareness "Real" in the sense that it is a part of your dream or Mind State of being. You, on the other hand, are claiming that something is real: Your AwarenessAnd seemingly are getting very Uncharacteristically agitated over someone claiming from "experience" that your Awareness is a kind of Mind that only occurs absent the wakefulness of Samadhi. Where have I written anything whatsoever that leads you to believe that I perceive you as "real" lol This is the clearest case of projection that I've ever seen here lol You say that you are Awareness and that Awareness is the only thing that's real, and then I say that Awareness is also Mind and only existing in the dream of self, then you get angry and accuse me of "reasoning" that you are real lol Is a little funny....One day you will probably laugh about this my friend. Quite the focus on the distinction between " I" and " You". The underlined is up for reconsideration about who they apply to.
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Post by silver on Jul 17, 2013 18:42:20 GMT -5
Aww Steve.......come on over to the dark side. It's not so bad. In fact, the weather is very fair.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 19:10:56 GMT -5
Haha, with all due respect, are you totally insane? Have you read anything that I've written hear, if so, how could you possible come to the conclusion that I am saying that you, or anything else is "real"? In fact, I am saying that nothing is real, including your "Awareness", if anyone in this conversation is clinging to a "Realness", its you clinging to the realness of your awareness.And seemingly me telling you (from experience and not reason), that your Awareness is a dream, has gotten you plenty riled up, enough to make up stories in your mind about how I must be deluded in some way for saying that your awareness is also "not real". I've never seen you upset like this, so this one must have really struck home to one of your last closely held illusions. So let me be clear, I am not reasoning that your Awareness is a dream/sleep happening, I'm saying it from experience of seeing it appear and disappear when moving to and for from the wakefulness of Samadhi..... You can accept that or not, or "practice" Samadhi and "see" for yourself or not.... But don't create the illusion that I am saying or experiencing you to be real lol I am saying that you are not "real", nor is your Awareness "Real" in the sense that it is a part of your dream or Mind State of being. You, on the other hand, are claiming that something is real: Your AwarenessAnd seemingly are getting very Uncharacteristically agitated over someone claiming from "experience" that your Awareness is a kind of Mind that only occurs absent the wakefulness of Samadhi. Where have I written anything whatsoever that leads you to believe that I perceive you as "real" lol This is the clearest case of projection that I've ever seen here lol You say that you are Awareness and that Awareness is the only thing that's real, and then I say that Awareness is also Mind and only existing in the dream of self, then you get angry and accuse me of "reasoning" that you are real lol Is a little funny....One day you will probably laugh about this my friend. Quite the focus on the distinction between " I" and " You". The underlined is up for reconsideration about who they apply to. Top, don't you find this kind of word lawyering to be a bit pedantic? Would the wave of the Mind ocean that appears as the illusion of the writer of this critique using the name Topology prefer that the wave of the Mind ocean that is called Steven that appeared to write the original reply to the wave of the Mind ocean that appears as TRF appear to write in this long winded and more difficult to read and write way of communication? Or would you prefer that I write like this. In the latter, you may have to overcome the impulse to word lawyer, and actually read sentences like this: "You say that you are Awareness and that Awareness is the only thing that's real, and then I say that Awareness is also Mind and only existing in the dream of self, then you get angry and accuse me of "reasoning" that you are real lol" And take them at face value versus dissecting the ontology in a way that misses what is communicated. Words point to a meaning when combined into sentences and paragraphs, one may miss the meaning while dissecting each word in pedantic word lawyering... Do you think that Awareness is "real" too Top? Sorry: Does the wave of Mind of infinite Mind tapestry that calls itself Topology in this virtual forum cling to a thought pattern or experience that essential awareness is somehow different or separate from the illusory perception of Being or Mind in THIS experience?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 19:21:27 GMT -5
to say I dont know was my first step into the dark. Admittance is a valid tool to disrobe the mind of falsity. thus I comes to face its creator and a shift of conciousness begins occurring as the I acknowledges that self that is never born.
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