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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 21:07:38 GMT -5
Try to listen to the sound inside ALL sounds, there is a composite central note, or sound, that can be heard if one is sensitive, center attention on this sound ;-) Or one could try listening to the listener listening to the listener listening... Yes, reason is insane, so what? ... Why do you suppose it is that I recommend these things?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 21:11:54 GMT -5
Or one could try listening to the listener listening to the listener listening... Yes, reason is insane, so what? ... Why do you suppose it is that I recommend these things? Sorry the reasoning factory is shut down for the evening...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 21:24:22 GMT -5
Why do you suppose it is that I recommend these things? Sorry the reasoning factory is shut down for the evening... Haha, but apparently the Heckler Heckling to get attention factory is in full swing lol Just in case you decide to stop heckling and want to engage in a meaningful way: I am offering methods that make the ground fertile for awakening into Samadhi. If you have never tried it, try listening, or observing the instant that a thought occurs, watch for a thought to arise very intently, Meister Eckhart says: "Like watching intently for a tiny black mouse to emerge from a tiny black whole". The result of this kind of "practice" is that the thought does not come while trying to observe the instant that it appears, it is only after attention is removed from the instant that a thought appears that a thought appears. In the same way, once someone has realized their most essential nature, The Listener, The Observer, Their Beingness, There Awareness, etc...if you steadfastly hold your attention on it, the I Am, or as Jazz calls it, the Listener, is interrupted, undone for a period...This is Samadhi Samadhi is awakening from Sleep/Dream....everything else IS Sleep/Dream
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 21:32:56 GMT -5
Mostly what I do is three things, depending on where one is "at".
I try to show people how to see that this is all a kind of sleeping/dreaming in relation to Samadhi
If this is already realized then:
I try to show people how to be aware of the most essential part of the dream, Which is the Dreamer Dreaming a Dreamer, or Awareness (Observer/Listener)
If they are ready Aware of their Essential Awareness then I offer Methods that create conditions that are helpful for un-doing Awareness/Dreamer/Dreaming to Samadhi
Samadhi is an un-doing, or interruption of the dream of a dreamer into wakefulness.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 21:44:57 GMT -5
Sorry the reasoning factory is shut down for the evening... Haha, but apparently the Heckler Heckling to get attention factory is in full swing lol Just in case you decide to stop heckling and want to engage in a meaningful way: I am offering methods that make the ground fertile for awakening into Samadhi. If you have never tried it, try listening, or observing the instant that a thought occurs, watch for a thought to arise very intently, assisted Eckhart says: "Like watching intently for a tiny black mouse to emerge from a tiny black whole". The result of this kind of "practice" is that the thought does not come while trying to observe the instant that it appears, it is only after attention is removed from the instant that a thought appears that a thought appears. In the same way, once someone has realized their most essential nature, The Listener, The Observer, Their Beingness, There Awareness, etc...if you steadfastly hold your attention on it, the I Am, or as Jazz calls it, the Listener, is interrupted, undone for a period...This is Samadhi Samadhi is awakening from Sleep/Dream....everything else IS Sleep/Dream I'm aware... how much simpler is it than that?? I'm aware of Samadhi, I am aware of listening, I am aware of observing, I am aware of heckling, I am aware of appearances, I am aware of attention... I'm aware... Tell me tzu, are you sentient, yes or no??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:18:34 GMT -5
Haha, but apparently the Heckler Heckling to get attention factory is in full swing lol Just in case you decide to stop heckling and want to engage in a meaningful way: I am offering methods that make the ground fertile for awakening into Samadhi. If you have never tried it, try listening, or observing the instant that a thought occurs, watch for a thought to arise very intently, assisted Eckhart says: "Like watching intently for a tiny black mouse to emerge from a tiny black whole". The result of this kind of "practice" is that the thought does not come while trying to observe the instant that it appears, it is only after attention is removed from the instant that a thought appears that a thought appears. In the same way, once someone has realized their most essential nature, The Listener, The Observer, Their Beingness, There Awareness, etc...if you steadfastly hold your attention on it, the I Am, or as Jazz calls it, the Listener, is interrupted, undone for a period...This is Samadhi Samadhi is awakening from Sleep/Dream....everything else IS Sleep/Dream I'm aware... how much simpler is it than that?? I'm aware of Samadhi, I am aware of listening, I am aware of observing, I am aware of heckling, I am aware of appearances, I am aware of attention... I'm aware... Tell me tzu, are you sentient, yes or no?? Are you addressing me or Tzu? If its me, then you'll need to explain what "sentient" means to you ;-) As an aside, all those things that you are aware of is a kind of sleeping dream, as is your Awareness itself. There is nothing wrong with this, but it is not Enlightenment, it is not wakefulness, it is dreaming/sleeping.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:24:18 GMT -5
it is noticed, that sound is the last of the five senses to die when the mind is vacated. Curiosity is a function of ego(that sense of a self) which is not unified with the all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:36:20 GMT -5
it is noticed, that sound is the last of the five senses to die when the mind is vacated. Curiosity is a function of ego(that sense of a self) which is not unified with the all. That's truish, and yet, curiosity can lead one to vacating the Mind ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:41:51 GMT -5
it is noticed, that sound is the last of the five senses to die when the mind is vacated. Curiosity is a function of ego(that sense of a self) which is not unified with the all. That's truish, and yet, curiosity can lead one to vacating the Mind ;-) yes, the one is after the ego realises its simply a ghost of Ones created Mind.(mental fabrication)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:43:57 GMT -5
Haha, but apparently the Heckler Heckling to get attention factory is in full swing lol Just in case you decide to stop heckling and want to engage in a meaningful way: I am offering methods that make the ground fertile for awakening into Samadhi. If you have never tried it, try listening, or observing the instant that a thought occurs, watch for a thought to arise very intently, assisted Eckhart says: "Like watching intently for a tiny black mouse to emerge from a tiny black whole". The result of this kind of "practice" is that the thought does not come while trying to observe the instant that it appears, it is only after attention is removed from the instant that a thought appears that a thought appears. In the same way, once someone has realized their most essential nature, The Listener, The Observer, Their Beingness, There Awareness, etc...if you steadfastly hold your attention on it, the I Am, or as Jazz calls it, the Listener, is interrupted, undone for a period...This is Samadhi Samadhi is awakening from Sleep/Dream....everything else IS Sleep/Dream I'm aware... how much simpler is it than that?? Some dreams are simple, some are more complex, but dreaming is still dreaming Sentience is also a kind of dream.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:47:19 GMT -5
I'm aware... how much simpler is it than that?? Some dreams are simple, some are more complex, but dreaming is still dreaming Sentience is also a kind of dream. what is your understanding of (the word) sentience Steven?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 22:52:10 GMT -5
Some dreams are simple, some are more complex, but dreaming is still dreaming Sentience is also a kind of dream. what is your understanding of (the word) sentience Steven? Awareness capable of interaction with _______. or Sentience: Imbued with Being
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 23:10:52 GMT -5
what is your understanding of (the word) sentience Steven? Awareness capable of interaction with _______. or Sentience: Imbued with Being like your understanding, nameste'
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Post by amit on Jul 17, 2013 0:28:10 GMT -5
Hi jazz, It feels similar to that for amit. I refer to it as The Watcher and it feels like an aspect of mind. There is often a distinction made between awareness and consciousness. The former as unfocused and the latter focused. Of the two consciousness seems more likely to do with the listener as focused while awareness is a background. Its not easy to relate these terms to each other. Perhaps someone here has looked into it more deeply. I'd be interested to here about it. Could you say something about the relationship between the listener and the character jazz as he/she goes about daily life? Does it feel like the listener has a function in relation to that, more than just listening? Thanks. amit Thanks for the distinctions between awareness and consciousness, it brings light to a few questions that have been running. The character seems to be just doing what it always has, thinking about spiritual stuff, reacting, smoking cigarettes, talking to his girlfriend, looking ahead for the coming music festival it's going to, etc... this new awareness doesn't really do anything for the character except make him a bit less interesting lol.. There's lots of stuff trying to grab the attention, some fears and beliefs about who it needs to be, what it's losing. Wondering about writing it down on paper to get some clarity but it hasn't happening these days so much. Just watching. Hi jazz, Thanks. amit
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 0:54:53 GMT -5
There appears to be Awareness, and what blossoms forth from Awareness
Awareness, and what Awareness is Aware OF.
Awareness does not act consciously, but it is the original dream born of slumber that gives birth to all phenomena in the dream of Mind
anyone can observe this for themselves, simply be attentive to the moment that a thought or sensory experience appears to the Watcher/Listener/Witness.
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