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Post by Peter on Jul 10, 2013 3:17:35 GMT -5
Well, obviously I was referring to this part: You shouldn't be posting in this section of the forum. which came right after this one here: You don't belong in the moderated section You tried to oust Andrew entirely not so very long ago as part of what was labelled by others as a "culling" of not seriously focussed members. At least he's saying you belong somewhere on this board. But yes, I agree, certainly unpleasant and unwelcoming, non-inclusive behaviour there from someone who professes Christ Consciousness. Perhaps you're his Pharisee, or money lender to be ejected from the temple. Not actionable in and of itself, still. The swearing thing I do object to.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 11, 2013 1:52:07 GMT -5
Well, obviously I was referring to this part: which came right after this one here: You tried to oust Andrew entirely not so very long ago as part of what was labelled by others as a "culling" of not seriously focussed members. At least he's saying you belong somewhere on this board. But yes, I agree, certainly unpleasant and unwelcoming, non-inclusive behaviour there from someone who professes Christ Consciousness. Perhaps you're his Pharisee, or money lender to be ejected from the temple. Not actionable in and of itself, still. The swearing thing I do object to. Interesting cop out. If I remember correctly it was about Silver who wasn't (and still isn't) in alignment with the basic forum intention, namely " sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher". Also, it was you who coined the term 'culling'. And all of that happened way before the forum split.
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Post by silver on Jul 11, 2013 2:11:31 GMT -5
You tried to oust Andrew entirely not so very long ago as part of what was labelled by others as a "culling" of not seriously focussed members. At least he's saying you belong somewhere on this board. But yes, I agree, certainly unpleasant and unwelcoming, non-inclusive behaviour there from someone who professes Christ Consciousness. Perhaps you're his Pharisee, or money lender to be ejected from the temple. Not actionable in and of itself, still. The swearing thing I do object to. Interesting cop out. If I remember correctly it was about Silver who wasn't (and still isn't) in alignment with the basic forum intention, namely " sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher". Also, it was you who coined the term 'culling'. And all of that happened way before the forum split. So...what is it that 'proves' - to your way of thinking that members are or are not sincere? Page after page of attacks, belittling, snarky remarks, just nasty stuff that you magically get away with - (btw, Peter, I was being sarcastic when I said they were otherwise gentlemanly, but I even let that lay). This forum was an afterthought that more than likely the owner could just as easily tomorrow say 'I'm tired of the whole thing.' I'm not quite sure why you and Enigma want to be here when you have Realizing Happiness all to yourselves? You should have your own blog or something like that - would make infinitely more sense. I guess that proves there just isn't enough drama for you at Realizing Happiness. All I can say from the heart, Peter, is that I think you'd do well to turn this whole forum into unmoderated. I think that would level the playing field quite nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 2:33:39 GMT -5
Interesting cop out. If I remember correctly it was about Silver who wasn't (and still isn't) in alignment with the basic forum intention, namely " sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher". Also, it was you who coined the term 'culling'. And all of that happened way before the forum split. So...what is it that 'proves' - to your way of thinking that members are or are not sincere? Page after page of attacks, belittling, snarky remarks, just nasty stuff that you magically get away with - (btw, Peter, I was being sarcastic when I said they were otherwise gentlemanly, but I even let that lay). This forum was an afterthought that more than likely the owner could just as easily tomorrow say 'I'm tired of the whole thing.' I'm not quite sure why you and Enigma want to be here when you have Realizing Happiness all to yourselves? You should have your own blog or something like that - would make infinitely more sense. I guess that proves there just isn't enough drama for you at Realizing Happiness. All I can say from the heart, Peter, is that I think you'd do well to turn this whole forum into unmoderated. I think that would level the playing field quite nicely. No wonder men get as confused as they do about women. You really are a pain in the arse Silver.
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Post by silver on Jul 11, 2013 5:36:28 GMT -5
So...what is it that 'proves' - to your way of thinking that members are or are not sincere? Page after page of attacks, belittling, snarky remarks, just nasty stuff that you magically get away with - (btw, Peter, I was being sarcastic when I said they were otherwise gentlemanly, but I even let that lay). This forum was an afterthought that more than likely the owner could just as easily tomorrow say 'I'm tired of the whole thing.' I'm not quite sure why you and Enigma want to be here when you have Realizing Happiness all to yourselves? You should have your own blog or something like that - would make infinitely more sense. I guess that proves there just isn't enough drama for you at Realizing Happiness. All I can say from the heart, Peter, is that I think you'd do well to turn this whole forum into unmoderated. I think that would level the playing field quite nicely. No wonder men get as confused as they do about women. You really are a pain in the arse Silver.Spoken like a true... Your quip makes me wonder what real concern is that of yours? Iow, why do you find yourself involved at all? Oh, and btw, in case you hadn't noticed - I'm not your typical woman (as if you could judge the rest by any one of us). Pfft.
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Post by topology on Jul 11, 2013 9:21:21 GMT -5
You tried to oust Andrew entirely not so very long ago as part of what was labelled by others as a "culling" of not seriously focussed members. At least he's saying you belong somewhere on this board. But yes, I agree, certainly unpleasant and unwelcoming, non-inclusive behaviour there from someone who professes Christ Consciousness. Perhaps you're his Pharisee, or money lender to be ejected from the temple. Not actionable in and of itself, still. The swearing thing I do object to. Interesting cop out. If I remember correctly it was about Silver who wasn't (and still isn't) in alignment with the basic forum intention, namely " sincere interest in a spiritual path or teacher". Also, it was you who coined the term 'culling'. And all of that happened way before the forum split. Who is to decide whether or not someone is or is not in alignment?
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Jul 11, 2013 9:35:47 GMT -5
No wonder men get as confused as they do about women. You really are a pain in the arse Silver. Spoken like a true... Goddámn I love it when women fight.
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Post by enigma on Jul 12, 2013 4:01:32 GMT -5
Reefs and Enigma: Was there a point, or more than one point to this suite of reported posts you've made here? Yes, I would say there is, and it's always the same point, day after day, week after week, year after year. I've revealed that point dozens of times in response to all manner of interrogation as to motive, and it must be far more incredible sounding to everyone else than it is to me. Once again, the point is, what in blazes is really going on? I suppose the question sounds foolish to many, but to me it's the heart of spirituality. The whole point is to stop playing games, lying to ourselves, see through our own nonsense and wake up and live. It quite literally starts right here and now, not with ineffable spearachule concepts and deep philosophical discussions of linguistic etymology, but with your next thought, your next feeling, your next creation in your own private world of mind. The consensus for years on this forum has been that myself and others of like mind have been the cause of all manner of abuse and if only something could be done about this abuse, all would be well. The creation of an unmoderated section provides an opportunity to clarify, and I like those opportunities. Since folks have a place to go, most of the ambiguity in the moderation is resolved without all the issues of temp and permanent bans and special exceptions and undercover violations to distract. It becomes very simple; stop doing that or go to unmoderated section. If one cannot control their foul language or otherwise posts solely for the purpose of cyber slapping, this speaks clearly to ones emotional state and motivation, and this is what is meant by abusive. Peter, you made a few comments to the effect that Reefs and I were working in concert toward some end, implying there was coordination behind the scenes, and that attacks were directed toward certain individuals. The truth is that I mentioned to Reefs that I had reported several posts, after the fact, and he seemed to like that idea, and that was the end of the discussion. No coordination, no targeting. If he reported different posts than I did, it's because those were the posts he deemed offensive and in need of moderation. I didn't give any thought to who the author of the post was, only whether it violated the rules. One could ask, if the post had belonged to Reefs or Silence, would I have reported it? I honestly don't know. It would have been an interesting test of my integrity since I obviously did have an agenda. The question never arose for me because I know neither of them has a belligerent motivation. I've never seen either of them swear or make posts without a point, or at the very least some pointless humor....and that was the point. As an aside, I do find the unmoderated section to be less overtly abusive in recent days, and for that I'm grateful.
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Post by laughter on Jul 12, 2013 5:54:59 GMT -5
Humor is never pointless my friend. ... which is to say ... that it always is.
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Post by Peter on Jul 12, 2013 8:09:46 GMT -5
OK, so not coordinated working then. I guess when you have enough targets, the chances of hitting the same one at the same time becomes quite small. Once again, the point is, what in blazes is really going on? I suppose the question sounds foolish to many, but to me it's the heart of spirituality. The whole point is to stop playing games, lying to ourselves, see through our own nonsense and wake up and live. It quite literally starts right here and now, not with ineffable spearachule concepts and deep philosophical discussions of linguistic etymology, but with your next thought, your next feeling, your next creation in your own private world of mind. The consensus for years on this forum has been that myself and others of like mind have been the cause of all manner of abuse and if only something could be done about this abuse, all would be well. The creation of an unmoderated section provides an opportunity to clarify, and I like those opportunities. Since folks have a place to go, most of the ambiguity in the moderation is resolved without all the issues of temp and permanent bans and special exceptions and undercover violations to distract. It becomes very simple; stop doing that or go to unmoderated section. If one cannot control their foul language or otherwise posts solely for the purpose of cyber slapping, this speaks clearly to ones emotional state and motivation, and this is what is meant by abusive. What I'm hearing is: You were attempting to use an enforcement of moderation in order to reduce the distraction - stop the game playing and encourage a shift into the unmoderated area - in order to better allow others to notice what is really going on. Me removing the moderation in general will have the same effect. Is that right? You were in no way trying to make me in particular (I'm so self centred) "see" anything, yes?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 9:29:55 GMT -5
The consensus for years on this forum has been that myself and others of like mind have been the cause of all manner of abuse and if only something could be done about this abuse, all would be well. This in particular is horsehockey in my opinion. There's a vocal and prolific minority that would agree with that but no consensus. In fact, I wonder if your imagining of such a consensus lent an inordinate amount of zeal to your reporting of posts to teach the anti-mocking mockers a lesson. It also supports the claim by that vocal minority that you sometimes put yourself in a victim story.
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Post by topology on Jul 12, 2013 9:43:34 GMT -5
The consensus for years on this forum has been that myself and others of like mind have been the cause of all manner of abuse and if only something could be done about this abuse, all would be well. This in particular is horsehockey in my opinion. There's a vocal and prolific minority that would agree with that but no consensus. In fact, I wonder if your imagining of such a consensus lent an inordinate amount of zeal to your reporting of posts to teach the anti-mocking mockers a lesson. It also supports the claim by that vocal minority that you sometimes put yourself in a victim story. Yup. And that victim story that Enigma tells is either unconscious or intentional. Enigma unconscious?? What game is afoot in playing the victim intentionally??
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Post by enigma on Jul 12, 2013 18:39:59 GMT -5
OK, so not coordinated working then. I guess when you have enough targets, the chances of hitting the same one at the same time becomes quite small. Once again, the point is, what in blazes is really going on? I suppose the question sounds foolish to many, but to me it's the heart of spirituality. The whole point is to stop playing games, lying to ourselves, see through our own nonsense and wake up and live. It quite literally starts right here and now, not with ineffable spearachule concepts and deep philosophical discussions of linguistic etymology, but with your next thought, your next feeling, your next creation in your own private world of mind. The consensus for years on this forum has been that myself and others of like mind have been the cause of all manner of abuse and if only something could be done about this abuse, all would be well. The creation of an unmoderated section provides an opportunity to clarify, and I like those opportunities. Since folks have a place to go, most of the ambiguity in the moderation is resolved without all the issues of temp and permanent bans and special exceptions and undercover violations to distract. It becomes very simple; stop doing that or go to unmoderated section. If one cannot control their foul language or otherwise posts solely for the purpose of cyber slapping, this speaks clearly to ones emotional state and motivation, and this is what is meant by abusive. What I'm hearing is: You were attempting to use an enforcement of moderation in order to reduce the distraction - stop the game playing and encourage a shift into the unmoderated area - in order to better allow others to notice what is really going on. Me removing the moderation in general will have the same effect. Is that right? No, I was trying to point out that the 'abuse' originates primarily from the ones complaining of abuse, which I think was the conclusion you came to also. I'm not concerned about where folks post or whether there is moderation. Correct. I was, however, counting on your fairness in judging the posts.
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Post by enigma on Jul 12, 2013 18:45:23 GMT -5
The consensus for years on this forum has been that myself and others of like mind have been the cause of all manner of abuse and if only something could be done about this abuse, all would be well. This in particular is horsehockey in my opinion. There's a vocal and prolific minority that would agree with that but no consensus. In fact, I wonder if your imagining of such a consensus lent an inordinate amount of zeal to your reporting of posts to teach the anti-mocking mockers a lesson. It also supports the claim by that vocal minority that you sometimes put yourself in a victim story. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Maybe consensus was the wrong word. Can we discuss it instead of declaring it horsehockey and speculating about my motivation and about the validity of the complaints of others on the basis of that word?
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Post by enigma on Jul 12, 2013 18:52:08 GMT -5
This in particular is horsehockey in my opinion. There's a vocal and prolific minority that would agree with that but no consensus. In fact, I wonder if your imagining of such a consensus lent an inordinate amount of zeal to your reporting of posts to teach the anti-mocking mockers a lesson. It also supports the claim by that vocal minority that you sometimes put yourself in a victim story. Yup. And that victim story that Enigma tells is either unconscious or intentional. Enigma unconscious?? What game is afoot in playing the victim intentionally?? I don't play the victim role. You've bought the pictures that others are selling to make me look bad. How am I to point out the source of the negativity without somebody thinking I'm crying in my beer? Can't it all just be about noticing what's really going on?
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