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Post by topology on Jul 9, 2013 9:55:14 GMT -5
I know you're smarter than this. What's the pattern to this interaction? ... ... I'll give you a hint. ... In order to die from a lack of attention, there has to be a lack of attention first. ... ... I'll give you another hint. ... Your response and the creation of a story-board is all this Troll (your description, not mine) needs to be fed. Troll, please contribute or leave. Thank you. Peter, I will scale back my posting of images in responses on this thread to 1 a day from here on out, today's quota is more than filled. See you tomorrow Troll-Sayer.
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Post by topology on Jul 9, 2013 10:00:19 GMT -5
A sense of self (or sense of existence) is available only once attention is triggerd. Before attention arrives there is no sense of self. This is why even "I am that" is imagined. If you have a memory of daydreaming or what the content of your experience was in the previous moment, then your attention was on already. What you are referring to is alertness of attention. How acute is the attention, what is being attended to, and other qualities of the attention. Self-consciousness can exist in low-grade attention. When someone is caught in continual worry, anxiety, etc. and other indicators of a strong sense of self, the kind of attention is not much different than day-dreaming, being lost in the stream of mental content. But the self-consciousness is high in those experiences. When someone is fully alert, present, all the attending faculties are at "full power", there is less thought, less being lost in thought, and less self-consciousness. Taken to completion of full attention, there is the loss of even the thought of "I exist" and there is only dynamic response to the situation being attended to. Laughter, I agree, his use of the word attention is off from its actual usage. Troll-Sayer, here is my contribution to the thread. Your argument is misconceived.
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Post by laughter on Jul 9, 2013 10:05:17 GMT -5
If you have a memory of daydreaming or what the content of your experience was in the previous moment, then your attention was on already. What you are referring to is alertness of attention. How acute is the attention, what is being attended to, and other qualities of the attention. Self-consciousness can exist in low-grade attention. When someone is caught in continual worry, anxiety, etc. and other indicators of a strong sense of self, the kind of attention is not much different than day-dreaming, being lost in the stream of mental content. But the self-consciousness is high in those experiences. When someone is fully alert, present, all the attending faculties are at "full power", there is less thought, less being lost in thought, and less self-consciousness. Taken to completion of full attention, there is the loss of even the thought of "I exist" and there is only dynamic response to the situation being attended to. Laughter, I agree, his use of the word attention is off from its actual usage. Troll-Sayer, here is my contribution to the thread. Your argument is misconceived. I take this as CPQ auditioning for a job as satirist for the Ministry of Truth.
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Post by topology on Jul 9, 2013 10:07:02 GMT -5
Laughter, I agree, his use of the word attention is off from its actual usage. Troll-Sayer, here is my contribution to the thread. Your argument is misconceived. I take this as CPQ auditioning for a job as satirist for the Ministry of Truth. He's such a compassionate person!
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Post by silver on Jul 9, 2013 10:09:42 GMT -5
If you have a memory of daydreaming or what the content of your experience was in the previous moment, then your attention was on already. What you are referring to is alertness of attention. How acute is the attention, what is being attended to, and other qualities of the attention. Self-consciousness can exist in low-grade attention. When someone is caught in continual worry, anxiety, etc. and other indicators of a strong sense of self, the kind of attention is not much different than day-dreaming, being lost in the stream of mental content. But the self-consciousness is high in those experiences. When someone is fully alert, present, all the attending faculties are at "full power", there is less thought, less being lost in thought, and less self-consciousness. Taken to completion of full attention, there is the loss of even the thought of "I exist" and there is only dynamic response to the situation being attended to. Laughter, I agree, his use of the word attention is off from its actual usage. Troll-Sayer, here is my contribution to the thread. Your argument is misconceived. I don't know what argument of his you think is misconceived - I didn't see him having any argument, but I understand his consternation. The way this new unmod section started out, seems promising until you came along with your giant pictures that to me, seem decidedly incongruous to whatever statement you've been trying to make with them. It's an oddity that I think many of us who 'yearn to breathe free' just don't want here. It does seem more than a bit show-off-ish and childish, and if there's some sort of 'lesson' you're trying to lay on anyone here, it has completely missed the target. I see nothing constructive in them, tbh. I'm tired of the immaturity on the 'other side' (moderated) of ST and promising myself to avoid it as much as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 10:09:46 GMT -5
Within the framework of this discussion, would you say the following are the musings of someone in a simple state of awareness? I'm sorry but I really can't be bothered with that kind of thing. Trolls are trolls, q.
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Post by laughter on Jul 9, 2013 10:16:19 GMT -5
I take this as CPQ auditioning for a job as satirist for the Ministry of Truth. He's such a compassionate person! he cries the gentle, lyrical, sweet, profound and poignant tears of a clown ...
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Post by laughter on Jul 9, 2013 10:17:52 GMT -5
Laughter, I agree, his use of the word attention is off from its actual usage. Troll-Sayer, here is my contribution to the thread. Your argument is misconceived. I don't know what argument of his you think is misconceived - I didn't see him having any argument, but I understand his consternation. The way this new unmod section started out, seems promising until you came along with your giant pictures that to me, seem decidedly incongruous to whatever statement you've been trying to make with them. It's an oddity that I think many of us who 'yearn to breathe free' just don't want here. It does seem more than a bit show-off-ish and childish, and if there's some sort of 'lesson' you're trying to lay on anyone here, it has completely missed the target. I see nothing constructive in them, tbh. I'm tired of the immaturity on the 'other side' (moderated) of ST and promising myself to avoid it as much as possible.
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Post by silver on Jul 9, 2013 10:21:43 GMT -5
I don't know what argument of his you think is misconceived - I didn't see him having any argument, but I understand his consternation. The way this new unmod section started out, seems promising until you came along with your giant pictures that to me, seem decidedly incongruous to whatever statement you've been trying to make with them. It's an oddity that I think many of us who 'yearn to breathe free' just don't want here. It does seem more than a bit show-off-ish and childish, and if there's some sort of 'lesson' you're trying to lay on anyone here, it has completely missed the target. I see nothing constructive in them, tbh. I'm tired of the immaturity on the 'other side' (moderated) of ST and promising myself to avoid it as much as possible. Yes, I did~*
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Post by laughter on Jul 9, 2013 10:26:05 GMT -5
If my lips weren't sealed they'd be sayin' "told ya' so!"
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Post by silver on Jul 9, 2013 10:27:04 GMT -5
If my lips weren't sealed they'd be sayin' "told ya' so!" Just for once, stop being so cryptic and spill it. Told me what?
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Post by topology on Jul 9, 2013 10:33:30 GMT -5
I don't think he's telling you to zip it. I think he's trying told hold himself back from guffawing the largest guffaw he's had on the board. That smiley you responded to as immature is right out of your playbook, Silver. The term "argument" is from philosophic discourse, not from emotional fighting. Q has been putting forward an argument that the experience of self doesn't happen until the thought arises that one hasn't been paying attention and now they are paying more attention. All of your complaints about my behavior.... Are ... Well ... Humorous.
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Post by laughter on Jul 9, 2013 10:33:34 GMT -5
If my lips weren't sealed they'd be sayin' "told ya' so!" Just for once, stop being so cryptic and spill it. Told me what? When everyone was advocating for splitting the board based on the premise of an escape from the horrible abuses of Enireefs, what I said was to be careful what was wished for 'cause they might just get surprised about who it was that gets moderated.
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Post by laughter on Jul 9, 2013 10:34:30 GMT -5
I don't think he's telling you to zip it. I think he's trying told hold himself back from guffawing the largest guffaw he's had on the board. That smiley you responded to as immature is right out of your playbook, Silver. The term "argument" is from philosophic discourse, not from emotional fighting. Q has been putting forward an argument that the experience of self doesn't happen until the thought arises that one hasn't been paying attention and now they are paying more attention. All of your complaints about my behavior.... Are ... Well ... Humorous. yup
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Post by silver on Jul 9, 2013 10:36:16 GMT -5
I don't think he's telling you to zip it. I think he's trying told hold himself back from guffawing the largest guffaw he's had on the board. That smiley you responded to as immature is right out of your playbook, Silver. The term "argument" is from philosophic discourse, not from emotional fighting. Q has been putting forward an argument that the experience of self doesn't happen until the thought arises that one hasn't been paying attention and now they are paying more attention. All of your complaints about my behavior.... Are ... Well ... Humorous. yup To you two, of course it's humorous. No surprises there. *shrug*
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