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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 16:46:17 GMT -5
How is Ego related to Knowing and Understanding?
Most here will probably agree that the primary function of Ego is the survival of the BodyMind, I would say that the ego creates both the BodyMind and the environment that it exists in, which are all functionally one.
Can Ego exist without "Knowing"?
Are Ego and Knowing the same thing?
In the absence of Knowing, where is Ego?
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 16:48:59 GMT -5
Greetings.. How is Ego related to Knowing and Understanding? Most here will probably agree that the primary function of Ego is the survival of the BodyMind, I would say that the ego creates both the BodyMind and the environment that it exists in, which are all functionally one. Can Ego exist without "Knowing"? Are Ego and Knowing the same thing? In the absence of Knowing, where is Ego? Ego is an imagined condition.. it does not exist, it's meaning varies among its believers.. Be well.. |
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Post by silence on Jul 5, 2013 16:53:09 GMT -5
Greetings.. How is Ego related to Knowing and Understanding? Most here will probably agree that the primary function of Ego is the survival of the BodyMind, I would say that the ego creates both the BodyMind and the environment that it exists in, which are all functionally one. Can Ego exist without "Knowing"? Are Ego and Knowing the same thing? In the absence of Knowing, where is Ego? Ego is an imagined condition.. it does not exist, it's meaning varies among its believers.. Be well.. I agree  . Unfortunately, the fact that it's a product of imagination doesn't lessen the effect on experience any less. |
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 17:11:52 GMT -5
I agree with both, however, as Silence said, the affect and nature of ego still presents itself, so this thread is an exploration of the connection between Knowing and Ego....are they separate, or the same thing?
It seems that in Mind, the function and the thing are not separate....and so: Knowing and Ego are the same.
The function of Ego, in a real rubber meets the road way, is knowing stuff, recognizing stuff, identifying stuff etc....this is the means of survival, or as I view it, the means of creation of our individuation and the environment that this individuation operates in.
Let go of "knowing", identification, understanding, even simple recognition of phenomena.
Ego, and it's illusion of identity, and individuation, even it's very existence, ceases with the cessation of Knowing.
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 17:15:33 GMT -5
What is your view on the connection between "Knowing", and Ego, or Selfhood, or Existence?
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Post by silence on Jul 5, 2013 20:45:56 GMT -5
What is your view on the connection between "Knowing", and Ego, or Selfhood, or Existence? The question is too vague for me. |
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 20:52:33 GMT -5
What is your view on the connection between "Knowing", and Ego, or Selfhood, or Existence? The question is too vague for me. By "knowing", we mean all forms of knowing, meaning understanding, identifying, gnosis, episteme, recognition, etc.... Without any form of "knowing" does Self, or Ego, or "I" exist, even as an illusion or non-existing experience as Enigma might say? |
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Post by silence on Jul 5, 2013 21:04:54 GMT -5
The question is too vague for me. By "knowing", we mean all forms of knowing, meaning understanding, identifying, gnosis, episteme, recognition, etc.... Without any form of "knowing" does Self, or Ego, or "I" exist, even as an illusion or non-existing experience as Enigma might say? Nobody stops knowing things so that piece can go out the window. |
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 21:16:13 GMT -5
By "knowing", we mean all forms of knowing, meaning understanding, identifying, gnosis, episteme, recognition, etc.... Without any form of "knowing" does Self, or Ego, or "I" exist, even as an illusion or non-existing experience as Enigma might say? Nobody stops knowing things so that piece can go out the window. How do you know that nobody stops knowing things? I spend most of the time not knowing anything at all. Have you never let go of knowing, even for a brief period? Have you found some ultimate TRUTH about Knowing things? Who is a spiritual "teacher" that you respect, let's see what they have said about knowing and not knowing, maybe you will trust them more than me if you have never experienced the cessation knowing for yourself... |
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Post by silence on Jul 5, 2013 21:41:28 GMT -5
Nobody stops knowing things so that piece can go out the window. How do you know that nobody stops knowing things? I spend most of the time not knowing anything at all. Have you never let go of knowing, even for a brief period? Have you found some ultimate TRUTH about Knowing things? Who is a spiritual "teacher" that you respect, let's see what they have said about knowing and not knowing, maybe you will trust them more than me if you have never experienced the cessation knowing for yourself... Do you ever leave your house? If so, how do you find your way home? |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 21:45:51 GMT -5
Greetings.. By "knowing", we mean all forms of knowing, meaning understanding, identifying, gnosis, episteme, recognition, etc.... Without any form of "knowing" does Self, or Ego, or "I" exist, even as an illusion or non-existing experience as Enigma might say? Nobody stops knowing things so that piece can go out the window. What does happen, for those that are willing, is that the mind becomes so still that there is no access to beliefs and knowings.. the access to beliefs and knowings is suspended for the interval that the active mind remains still, and experienced information is not distorted by the mind's influence.. 'experienced information' is not limited by the traditional five senses, it is also revealed by insight, intuition, energetic awareness, emotion, and possibly other ways that awareness informs us of our existence.. but, a still mind suspends the distortions and distraction of beliefs and knowings for those interested and willing to see/experience what is actually happening.. Be well.. |
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Post by tzujanli on Jul 5, 2013 21:52:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. How do you know that nobody stops knowing things? I spend most of the time not knowing anything at all. Have you never let go of knowing, even for a brief period? Have you found some ultimate TRUTH about Knowing things? Who is a spiritual "teacher" that you respect, let's see what they have said about knowing and not knowing, maybe you will trust them more than me if you have never experienced the cessation knowing for yourself... Do you ever leave your house? If so, how do you find your way home? What do you 'know' during intervals of deep and dreamless sleep?.. i'm not not asking what is known before or after the interval of deep sleep, what do you 'know' during deep dreamless sleep, or under anesthesia? Be well.. |
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Post by Reefs on Jul 5, 2013 22:24:48 GMT -5
How is Ego related to Knowing and Understanding? Most here will probably agree that the primary function of Ego is the survival of the BodyMind, I would say that the ego creates both the BodyMind and the environment that it exists in, which are all functionally one. Can Ego exist without "Knowing"? Are Ego and Knowing the same thing? In the absence of Knowing, where is Ego? Are those your own questions? |
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 23:01:21 GMT -5
How do you know that nobody stops knowing things? I spend most of the time not knowing anything at all. Have you never let go of knowing, even for a brief period? Have you found some ultimate TRUTH about Knowing things? Who is a spiritual "teacher" that you respect, let's see what they have said about knowing and not knowing, maybe you will trust them more than me if you have never experienced the cessation knowing for yourself... Do you ever leave your house? If so, how do you find your way home? HaHa, ask ZD, he will probably have an answer that you are more comfortable with. As for me, I don't know, or care to know, it just happens, no thought required. Haven't you ever done anything without thinking it through, just pure unknowing doing that just happens? |
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 23:03:30 GMT -5
How is Ego related to Knowing and Understanding? Most here will probably agree that the primary function of Ego is the survival of the BodyMind, I would say that the ego creates both the BodyMind and the environment that it exists in, which are all functionally one. Can Ego exist without "Knowing"? Are Ego and Knowing the same thing? In the absence of Knowing, where is Ego? Are those your own questions? What's the nature of the question, and what's the nature of question mark ? |
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. Unfortunately, the fact that it's a product of imagination doesn't lessen the effect on experience any less.