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Post by steven on Jul 6, 2013 0:05:56 GMT -5
You answered why you are not there, (at those forums), you did not answer why you are here at this one. Empty of thought, empty of belief, empty of knowledge, empty of even recognition of various phenomena as referenced by memory, empty of I, empty of being, empty of I Am, empty of doing, and empty of beliefs and knowledge of emptiness Thoughts sometimes arise, but mostly they do not, and regularly a body moves, but it's just a happening that is empty doing. The vast majority of the time there isn't any mind movement at all, thought here is a sensation in the body of a kind of "sinking" into itself, but this too is empty. Before knowing was let go, the mind was still and silent only during what felt like an effortless meditation, but it was not effortless, because thoughts came all on their own when not meditating, now thoughts do not arise as they did before. For example, if I ask you what 2+2 equals, your mind will automatically think of the number 4...this does not happen for me....though I can answer the question if the answer is needed. My mind does not move in any type of automatic response to stimuli anymore, but when movement is actually needed, it happen....it's as though the inertia that was my mind has gone, but this does not mean it is incapable of moving, it's just not habitually moving, and it returns quickly to absence when not in immediate use. If I ask you what 2+2 equals, you will have to make an effort to not think of 4....for me, a mental response does not automatically "come to mind". I'm here to discuss that which knows your experiences of emptiness, the presence in which emptiness is noticed... Do you believe that there is a "Presence in which emptiness is noticed"? Either way, your question is answered....if you would know the nature of what notices emptiness, become empty, and it will all be laid out in front of you. Be empty of all knowledge, understanding, and being, and observe what is observing the emptiness. For what it's worth to you, I don't experience that there is any "presence" that notices emptiness, there is only an empty Mind with no owner or foundation observing itself, but mostly, there is no Mind, nor any awareness of a "Presence" noticing anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 12:05:23 GMT -5
I'm here to discuss that which knows your experiences of emptiness, the presence in which emptiness is noticed... Do you believe that there is a "Presence in which emptiness is noticed"? Either way, your question is answered....if you would know the nature of what notices emptiness, become empty, and it will all be laid out in front of you. Be empty of all knowledge, understanding, and being, and observe what is observing the emptiness. For what it's worth to you, I don't experience that there is any "presence" that notices emptiness, there is only an empty Mind with no owner or foundation observing itself, but mostly, there is no Mind, nor any awareness of a "Presence" noticing anything. Thought says there is a "Presence in which emptiness is noticed" and that is noticed... And knowing the nature of what notices emptiness, is also witnessed. There is that which is essential to experiencing an empty mind, and it's subtle. Everything is in front of this aware presence and the mistake is to believe that this aware presence can also be in front...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 12:49:13 GMT -5
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 7, 2013 19:56:46 GMT -5
Why do you want me to become empty? Are you on commission or something? Yes And, if you can tell yourself why you are at this forum, versus a physics forum, or an astrology forum, that answer will suffice for why I "want you to become empty" instead of thinking about emptiness or thinking about becoming empty lol Uh, cuz it's a teacher's board? Rather than a student's? I dunno. I was meaning to ask about the forum name.
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Post by serpentqueen on Jul 7, 2013 20:01:04 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of UG. I discovered him awhile back, I really loved that he is just so darn grumpy and irritable and not what you'd expect at all. I will have to go back and re-watch his videos now. Thank you for the reminder.
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Post by topology on Jul 7, 2013 21:30:46 GMT -5
Yes And, if you can tell yourself why you are at this forum, versus a physics forum, or an astrology forum, that answer will suffice for why I "want you to become empty" instead of thinking about emptiness or thinking about becoming empty lol Uh, cuz it's a teacher's board? Rather than a student's? I dunno. I was meaning to ask about the forum name. Brief origin story for the forum: Shawn started a rating site of spiritual teachers. Wanted a way for seekers to locate each other, so he created the boards. The discussion section was more of an after thought. Kinda like the bowl of half finished cereal in milk you forgot about and left out for a week and a half. All sorts of interesting organisms move in and start growing in that space. Fast forward several years and you get what you have today.
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