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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 9:12:35 GMT -5
"The term is often thought to mean either "one who has thus gone" (tath?-gata) or "one who has thus come" (tath?-?gata). This is interpreted as signifying that the Tathagata is beyond all coming and going" you see, steven is beyond coming and going, thusly he can't help himself
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 9:21:16 GMT -5
Big nope on "Arisha" lol See, this is one of those examples of how accurate our mirror is when saying something opinionated about someone else Having different screen names means I'm "clowning" in your opinion correct? How many screen names have you used? I might also add the Steve is my birth name...so not much of a disguise there ;-) Reefs Blue Exactamente Enigma(?) Farmer already admitted he created the arisha.. account, which he promptly deleted once he was done 'd.icking' with us. I did not "delete" the account. It was done as a 'Guest comment' which I had never seen in use here before, and I just wanted to give the "spinners" something to spin about. Which ain't too hard to do 'round this parts. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 9:50:47 GMT -5
Farmer already admitted he created the arisha.. account, which he promptly deleted once he was done 'd.icking' with us. I did not "delete" the account. It was done as a 'Guest comment' which I had never seen in use here before, and I just wanted to give the "spinners" something to spin about. Which ain't too hard to do 'round this parts. ;-) Did you write that post off the top of your head? If so... Do me
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 9:53:09 GMT -5
Steve is VERY keen to contribute here, isn't he? Yes, it like his ashram is open again.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 9:58:26 GMT -5
Call me names as you wish - that's what this section is for after all. Oh really?! This is where the kiddies go pee?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 10:31:16 GMT -5
I did not "delete" the account. It was done as a 'Guest comment' which I had never seen in use here before, and I just wanted to give the "spinners" something to spin about. Which ain't too hard to do 'round this parts. ;-) Did you write that post off the top of your head? If so... Do me Given the sexual nature of the past few days, my spinning mind is having a chuckle here
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Post by silver on Jul 3, 2013 10:34:17 GMT -5
Call me names as you wish - that's what this section is for after all. Oh really?! This is where the kiddies go pee? I don't get it. I don't usually like being foolish, but when you're on a roll............
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 11:16:02 GMT -5
Isn't that common knowledge that the nature of experiencing occurs in the mind? Or is there more? Give it a try ;-) Spend a few minutes trying to think a thought that does not involve, or relate to any of the five senses.... But don't just think about what the result might be...that's kinda pointless, actually give it a try for a few minutes, then tell me what "common knowledge" is there. It's an invitation to check something out ;-) Why are you pointing me to 'think' about thoughts, and then to don't think about those thoughts that I just thought about? Is it possible to re-calibrate your pointer so that it at least points in the right direction?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2013 20:24:11 GMT -5
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 14:25:35 GMT -5
Give it a try ;-) Spend a few minutes trying to think a thought that does not involve, or relate to any of the five senses.... But don't just think about what the result might be...that's kinda pointless, actually give it a try for a few minutes, then tell me what "common knowledge" is there. It's an invitation to check something out ;-) Why are you pointing me to 'think' about thoughts, and then to don't think about those thoughts that I just thought about? Is it possible to re-calibrate your pointer so that it at least points in the right direction? Please note that I did not invite you to think ABOUT having a thought that does not reference or involve any of the five senses, I invited you to try and actually HAVE a thought that did not reference or inure any of the five senses. My words were....Think a thought that does not reference or include any of the five senses.....Not: Think a thought ABOUT a thought that does not reference or inure the five senses. This is exactly why it was recommended that you try it, and not think about it. It is a method that "undoes" thought and Mind. When you earnestly try to have a thought that has to involvement of the five senses, typically there is a short period of Neti Neti, wherein it is tried, but one quickly realizes that there is no thought or imagining of any kind that is POSSIBLE that does not involve one or more of the five senses. If you "succeed" in having a thought that does not involve or reference the five senses, then you will be having no thought at all, you will become empty....I want you to become empty, not think about becoming empty ;-) Perhaps a better wording for the method is "Gaze upon a thought that has no use of or involvement with any of the five senses." The word Gaze in this instance means to look at thoughts the way we normally "look" at a thought occurring within ourselves on this path....but when one look for, or looks at a "thought" that has no involvement of reference to the five senses, Mind Movement and absorption is undone. I have no interest in pointing your mind to the ineffable with the correct choice of words, this is just a pointing of the mind that is still a type of mind absorption, a mental process. There is some merit to that kind of pointing for the beginner on this path, but really, one needs to let go of ALL mentation as much as possible. So you will not see me having conversations that point toward the ineffable....You may find that instead, I offer a method to undo yourself into the ineffable...and in most cases, whatever method I offer is not likely to require much mentation, and if it does, it will be like this one, wherein the mentation recommended is kind of a computer virus that undoes the programming of the computer lol This thread was discussing the nature of the Mind, Body, and the source of pleasure/pain etc., that related to the five senses of the body. Instead of discussing those things, I offered that its all Mind, including the five senses, and offered a method for removing oneself from being absorbed in the Mind and its five sensory functions, as well as it's mentation over them. You think I was offering an poorly designed mental pointer to the ineffable, when really, I was recommending trying to a "method" of undoing, trying to trick you into removing yourself, even if just for a moment, from abstract mentation and absorption in the "effable".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 20:17:46 GMT -5
Why are you pointing me to 'think' about thoughts, and then to don't think about those thoughts that I just thought about? Is it possible to re-calibrate your pointer so that it at least points in the right direction? Please note that I did not invite you to think ABOUT having a thought that does not reference or involve any of the five senses, I invited you to try and actually HAVE a thought that did not reference or inure any of the five senses. My words were....Think a thought that does not reference or include any of the five senses.....Not: Think a thought ABOUT a thought that does not reference or inure the five senses. This is exactly why it was recommended that you try it, and not think about it. It is a method that "undoes" thought and Mind. When you earnestly try to have a thought that has to involvement of the five senses, typically there is a short period of Neti Neti, wherein it is tried, but one quickly realizes that there is no thought or imagining of any kind that is POSSIBLE that does not involve one or more of the five senses. If you "succeed" in having a thought that does not involve or reference the five senses, then you will be having no thought at all, you will become empty.... I want you to become empty, not think about becoming empty ;-) Why do you want me to become empty? Are you on commission or something?
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 20:41:44 GMT -5
Please note that I did not invite you to think ABOUT having a thought that does not reference or involve any of the five senses, I invited you to try and actually HAVE a thought that did not reference or inure any of the five senses. My words were....Think a thought that does not reference or include any of the five senses.....Not: Think a thought ABOUT a thought that does not reference or inure the five senses. This is exactly why it was recommended that you try it, and not think about it. It is a method that "undoes" thought and Mind. When you earnestly try to have a thought that has to involvement of the five senses, typically there is a short period of Neti Neti, wherein it is tried, but one quickly realizes that there is no thought or imagining of any kind that is POSSIBLE that does not involve one or more of the five senses. If you "succeed" in having a thought that does not involve or reference the five senses, then you will be having no thought at all, you will become empty.... I want you to become empty, not think about becoming empty ;-) Why do you want me to become empty? Are you on commission or something? Yes And, if you can tell yourself why you are at this forum, versus a physics forum, or an astrology forum, that answer will suffice for why I "want you to become empty" instead of thinking about emptiness or thinking about becoming empty lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 22:10:57 GMT -5
Why do you want me to become empty? Are you on commission or something? Yes And, if you can tell yourself why you are at this forum, versus a physics forum, or an astrology forum, that answer will suffice for why I "want you to become empty" instead of thinking about emptiness or thinking about becoming empty lol Quantum Physics and spirituality are different languages for the same thing... Physics though, is discovering that empty, as in empty space isn't really empty. Seems spirituality is a bit slow on the uptake. What does it mean to be empty assuming that you believe you are?
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Post by steven on Jul 5, 2013 23:37:56 GMT -5
Yes And, if you can tell yourself why you are at this forum, versus a physics forum, or an astrology forum, that answer will suffice for why I "want you to become empty" instead of thinking about emptiness or thinking about becoming empty lol Quantum Physics and spirituality are different languages for the same thing... Physics though, is discovering that empty, as in empty space isn't really empty. Seems spirituality is a bit slow on the uptake. What does it mean to be empty assuming that you believe you are? You answered why you are not there, (at those forums), you did not answer why you are here at this one. Empty of thought, empty of belief, empty of knowledge, empty of even recognition of various phenomena as referenced by memory, empty of I, empty of being, empty of I Am, empty of doing, and empty of beliefs and knowledge of emptiness Thoughts sometimes arise, but mostly they do not, and regularly a body moves, but it's just a happening that is empty doing. The vast majority of the time there isn't any mind movement at all, thought here is a sensation in the body of a kind of "sinking" into itself, but this too is empty. Before knowing was let go, the mind was still and silent only during what felt like an effortless meditation, but it was not effortless, because thoughts came all on their own when not meditating, now thoughts do not arise as they did before. For example, if I ask you what 2+2 equals, your mind will automatically think of the number 4...this does not happen for me....though I can answer the question if the answer is needed. My mind does not move in any type of automatic response to stimuli anymore, but when movement is actually needed, it happen....it's as though the inertia that was my mind has gone, but this does not mean it is incapable of moving, it's just not habitually moving, and it returns quickly to absence when not in immediate use. If I ask you what 2+2 equals, you will have to make an effort to not think of 4....for me, a mental response does not automatically "come to mind".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 23:50:13 GMT -5
Quantum Physics and spirituality are different languages for the same thing... Physics though, is discovering that empty, as in empty space isn't really empty. Seems spirituality is a bit slow on the uptake. What does it mean to be empty assuming that you believe you are? You answered why you are not there, (at those forums), you did not answer why you are here at this one. Empty of thought, empty of belief, empty of knowledge, empty of even recognition of various phenomena as referenced by memory, empty of I, empty of being, empty of I Am, empty of doing, and empty of beliefs and knowledge of emptiness Thoughts sometimes arise, but mostly they do not, and regularly a body moves, but it's just a happening that is empty doing. The vast majority of the time there isn't any mind movement at all, thought here is a sensation in the body of a kind of "sinking" into itself, but this too is empty. Before knowing was let go, the mind was still and silent only during what felt like an effortless meditation, but it was not effortless, because thoughts came all on their own when not meditating, now thoughts do not arise as they did before. For example, if I ask you what 2+2 equals, your mind will automatically think of the number 4...this does not happen for me....though I can answer the question if the answer is needed. My mind does not move in any type of automatic response to stimuli anymore, but when movement is actually needed, it happen....it's as though the inertia that was my mind has gone, but this does not mean it is incapable of moving, it's just not habitually moving, and it returns quickly to absence when not in immediate use. If I ask you what 2+2 equals, you will have to make an effort to not think of 4....for me, a mental response does not automatically "come to mind". I'm here to discuss that which knows your experiences of emptiness, the presence in which emptiness is noticed...
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