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Post by Reefs on Jul 2, 2013 23:20:45 GMT -5
I don't perceive any desperation whatsoever. Really? I'd say you come across as rather desperate to make yourself heard and noticed. You've been banned and you still can't stay away. Your ghost act is getting a little old and doesn't seem to indicate someone at ease and peace behind those numerous logins. Looks more like someone trying to get attention at all costs.
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Post by Reefs on Jul 2, 2013 23:24:23 GMT -5
Seems to me like UG was holding onto too much knowledge about Mind versus Body....I don't perceive any desperation whatsoever. Here are some experiments to try: See if its possible for you to have ANY kind of thought that does not involve one or more of the five senses in some way. Also, see if you can experience any of the five senses as anything other than something that is referencing in your Mind. Even Science has shown, that ALL senses register in the Mind, and without a Mind that can "receive" one of the five senses, no sense is perceived. What this means relative to UG's quote, is that without Mind, no pleasure or pain is possible. All suffering, even TZU's random wasp sting, is an affect of Mind on both a function level, and a cause and effect level....on the level of function, Sensate experience do not occur without Mind, and are therefore not separate from Mind, but even on the cause and effect level, an alert, "care full" Mind that's functioning in harmony, is not likely to get stung by a Wasp, and if it does, it does not "suffer" over it. This is what UG "seems" to be alluding to: Mind is the Source of both suffering and pleasure, and the seeker of both. In talking about "the body's" lack of seeking of pleasure, he is really referencing Mind activity. As regards his speech on hopelessness, it's a kind of finger pointing, meaning it is a "method" that he is referring to, and it's not dis-similar to when I exhort people to give up "knowing", or pointing out that they "know" too much.Whatsoever you hold onto, absorbs you in Mind, whether that is some bit of Knowledge, or Understanding, or Experience, or Hope of success in accomplishing something, even if what you "know" or experience is a realization that is informed by what "seems" to be beyond mind.Peter....I love ya bro...but STOP deleting my posts in this section you phucking phucktard :-) I very much respect your "rule of law" approach, but this is an "unmoderated" section, that also allows one to post as a "guest", I did not create an account to make this post, so I am within the "rule of law" to post here :-) As an aside, I apologize for saying in the PM that I would not post anything with the Esteban account, by way of explanation, I fully intended to honor that when it was written....but Enigma's joke about not knowing what a calendar was anymore was actually pretty accurate lol....I had spent almost that entire day with no knowledge or recognition of anything, total idiocy for the whole day,so those posts just kinda happened all on their own, except for the very last one. Still though, it's probably not inappropriate to add on another week to my Steven Account and General Discussion forum ban Back to the UG Quote, you guys try for yourself, and see if you can have ANY type of thought that does not involve, or relate to the five senses, and see if you can perceive any of the five senses as registering anywhere but inside your Mind.It's not a big leap from there to seeing that all sensory perception is a Mind function, just as other types of thoughts and imaginations are.And from there, it's not a big leap to see how EVERYTHING is a function of, or inclusion of Mind.....EVERYTHING IS MIND :-) Now, go and hopelessly unknow all of that If you want us to un-know stuff why are you forcing this knowledge on us... IOW you know too much He's just putting his monkey mind musings all out front. I guess he couldn't hold it any longer.
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Post by Steven on Jul 3, 2013 0:11:09 GMT -5
I don't perceive any desperation whatsoever. Really? I'd say you come across as rather desperate to make yourself heard and noticed. You've been banned and you still can't stay away. Your ghost act is getting a little old and doesn't seem to indicate someone at ease and peace behind those numerous logins. Looks more like someone trying to get attention at all costs. LOL that was a iphone autocorrect typo, please refer to the following post for the correction ;-) It might be constructive from a psychological viewpoint to look at the little story you ran with there based on that typo though? In most cases, when you find yourself inventing a story about someone, it's good to turn that story back around and examine yourself through the lens of that story....I wonder if you can find any of my recent posts that you think I should also use to look at myself? It would be kind of you to point them out. Do you think that would help either of us in terms of this "Path" ;-)
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Post by Steven on Jul 3, 2013 0:13:31 GMT -5
If you want us to un-know stuff why are you forcing this knowledge on us... (rofl) IOW you know too much He's just putting his monkey mind musings all out front. I guess he couldn't hold it any longer. B-| Are you writing that to help "wake me up", or to help me see through some kind of belief, if so, can you tell me what belief I am clinging too?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 0:14:06 GMT -5
Really? I'd say you come across as rather desperate to make yourself heard and noticed. You've been banned and you still can't stay away. Your ghost act is getting a little old and doesn't seem to indicate someone at ease and peace behind those numerous logins. Looks more like someone trying to get attention at all costs. LOL that was a iphone autocorrect typo, please refer to the following post for the correction ;-) It might be constructive from a psychological viewpoint to look at the little story you ran with there based on that typo though? In most cases, when you find yourself inventing a story about someone, it's good to turn that story back around and examine yourself through the lens of that story....I wonder if you can find any of my recent posts that you think I should also use to look at myself? It would be kind of you to point them out. Do you think that would help either of us in terms of this "Path" ;-) What typo?
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 0:15:41 GMT -5
pleasure happens, pain happens. The body preserves itself, but it's not the body that constantly creates strategies for avoiding pain and arranging pleasure. Right. The body can live on sawdust and glue, as U.G. used to say. But Top probably won't like that. No, Top would definitely not like that!
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 0:17:18 GMT -5
He's just putting his monkey mind musings all out front. I guess he couldn't hold it any longer. Are you writing that to help "wake me up", or to help me see through some kind of belief, if so, can you tell me what belief I am clinging too? Why can't you stay away for 2 weeks as scheduled? Why do you have to do this kind of clowning? You come across as someone mentally very unstable.
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 0:23:32 GMT -5
Are you writing that to help "wake me up", or to help me see through some kind of belief, if so, can you tell me what belief I am clinging too? Why can't you stay away for 2 weeks as scheduled? Why do you have to do this kind of clowning? You come across as someone mentally very unstable. Don't let me detract from your confrontation, but if this unmoderated section had existed and Steve had posted in it, he wouldn't have been banned. Now that it does exist, what's the purpose in maintaining a ban? The content he posted is now acceptable in this section. You may now return to your regularly scheduled nose-tweaking.
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Post by Steven on Jul 3, 2013 0:26:36 GMT -5
Why can't you stay away for 2 weeks as scheduled? Why do you have to do this kind of clowning? You come across as someone mentally very unstable. Don't let me detract from your confrontation, but if this unmoderated section had existed and Steve had posted in it, he wouldn't have been banned. Now that it does exist, what's the purpose in maintaining a ban? The content he posted is now acceptable in this section. You may now return to your regularly scheduled nose-tweaking. Haha, are you tweaking Reef's apparent attachment to getting folks excluded from the forums?
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Post by Steven on Jul 3, 2013 0:32:40 GMT -5
LOL that was a iphone autocorrect typo, please refer to the following post for the correction ;-) It might be constructive from a psychological viewpoint to look at the little story you ran with there based on that typo though? In most cases, when you find yourself inventing a story about someone, it's good to turn that story back around and examine yourself through the lens of that story....I wonder if you can find any of my recent posts that you think I should also use to look at myself? It would be kind of you to point them out. Do you think that would help either of us in terms of this "Path" ;-) What typo? ??? The word: "Separate" was misspelled and auto corrected to "desperate"...please refer to the corrected repost ;-) And see if you create a different story about me based on the original word typed there. Which do you think is the best option for you when you learned that the word "separate" was typed instead of the ""desperate" that you made a story out of....should you: A: Create a new story B. Cling to your old story C. Let go of the stories and don't create new ones
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 0:35:24 GMT -5
What typo? The word: "Separate" was misspelled and auto corrected to "desperate"...please refer to the corrected repost ;-) And see if you create a different story about me based on the original word typed there. Which do you think is the best option for you when you learned that the word "separate" was typed instead of the ""desperate" that you made a story out of....should you: A: Create a new story B. Cling to your old story C. Let go of the stories and don't create new ones And you didn't notice that 'typo'?
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Post by Reefs on Jul 3, 2013 0:39:43 GMT -5
Why can't you stay away for 2 weeks as scheduled? Why do you have to do this kind of clowning? You come across as someone mentally very unstable. Don't let me detract from your confrontation, but if this unmoderated section had existed and Steve had posted in it, he wouldn't have been banned. Now that it does exist, what's the purpose in maintaining a ban? The content he posted is now acceptable in this section. You may now return to your regularly scheduled nose-tweaking. He was posing under another account before this section was created while he was still banned.
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Post by Steven on Jul 3, 2013 0:40:35 GMT -5
Are you writing that to help "wake me up", or to help me see through some kind of belief, if so, can you tell me what belief I am clinging too? Why can't you stay away for 2 weeks as scheduled? Why do you have to do this kind of clowning? You come across as someone mentally very unstable. This is one of those wonderful chances that you keep talking about, where you can use your negative comment as a mirror, you can also use your apparent desire to get folks away from the forum as a mirror too. Also, other than using the word Phuck, in jest over the new forum space, can you show me a post that you can use to demonstrate my "clowning"? Also, I have to restate, that in most cases, it's uncanny how accurate we are about ourselves when we say things about others....for example, that whole remark about appearing "unstable"....can you see how you might appear unstable when you spend countless tedious hours coming through thousands of people's back posts in order to prove your point, or get them banned...or how you might appear unstable when you say in one post that you "Don't want to help anybody", and then in a later post claim that your ridicule and mocking of nearly everyone except enigma is designed to "help" people see through their beliefs?
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 0:41:38 GMT -5
Don't let me detract from your confrontation, but if this unmoderated section had existed and Steve had posted in it, he wouldn't have been banned. Now that it does exist, what's the purpose in maintaining a ban? The content he posted is now acceptable in this section. You may now return to your regularly scheduled nose-tweaking. Haha, are you tweaking Reef's apparent attachment to getting folks excluded from the forums? *picks nose* I am?
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Post by topology on Jul 3, 2013 0:44:48 GMT -5
Don't let me detract from your confrontation, but if this unmoderated section had existed and Steve had posted in it, he wouldn't have been banned. Now that it does exist, what's the purpose in maintaining a ban? The content he posted is now acceptable in this section. You may now return to your regularly scheduled nose-tweaking. He was posing under another account before this section was created while he was still banned. Sounds like a decision for a moderator...
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